Knicks Free Agency Frenzy Part Deux

[Adelheid]

Y'all forget we still got Thibs? Offense will still run through Randle. What's the excitement of getting a PG when he won't be doing PG things.

This could very well be true. Thibs is one stubborn old fool. However, Brunson has a lot of juice in MSG now. Wouldn’t surprise me to see a civil war within the organization, culminating with Thibs head on a pike halfway through the season.

Part of the reason Brunson has to be paid that much...he has to be placed on top of the totem pole for all their teambuilding plans to work. Brunson at almost 28m (annual 5 pct decreases according to reports), this season, is the highest paid guy in the roster. Randle will not have the authority to yell at him and demand for the ball.

[Fat Kat]

Y'all forget we still got Thibs? Offense will still run through Randle. What's the excitement of getting a PG when he won't be doing PG things.

This could very well be true. Thibs is one stubborn old fool. However, Brunson has a lot of juice in MSG now. Wouldn’t surprise me to see a civil war within the organization, culminating with Thibs head on a pike halfway through the season.

Part of the reason Brunson has to be paid that much...he has to be placed on top of the totem pole for all their teambuilding plans to work. Brunson at almost 28m (annual 5 pct decreases according to reports), this season, is the highest paid guy in the roster. Randle will not have the authority to yell at him and demand for the ball.

Let’s hope so. Getting rid of Randle would make this process a lot easier. I don’t believe his fragile ego will allow him to take a secondary role.

[Jimmit79]

Randle is still here
Evans is still here
Volde is still here
Logjam is still here
Lack of Defense is always here
FOs lack of roster construction is still here
Dolan is still here

Just trying to wrap my head around being so anxious to draft Obi 3 years ago only to have him seemingly ride the bench for 3 szns of his career…

Yup then resigning Randle and not trading obi lol

[ScienceOfLosing]

If Bobby Portis is getting 4 years 49 million... who could very well be the Bucks starting center... why the fck are the Knicks looking to pay Mitch Rob 4 years 60 million?

I just don't want to lose Mitch for nothing. I want a stretch 5 and we (sort of) just signed one now. I'm still pissed we didn't take Duren - could be a special Center with a shot. Looks like we didn't have to, but at least we still have the pick we got back, downgraded swap.

We have the assets (salaries and picks) to go for a star now. We can include Randle and Fournier in that deal. I think we still try to move one of them to open up the logjam. I don't mind Fournier off the bench, though I'd prefer seeing what Cam can do. Perhaps we give Dallas an Olive Branch with Fournier and ask them to drop the protection on the pick we got from them. Then again, Fournier (And Randle) are going to probably have more value to a playoff team before the deadline but those teams will all be over the cap.

[The Vo Show]

With Miles Bridges having all his legal trouble, Charlotte will need a PF. Randle for Hayward and a 1st? We get worse but we slot him into the SF, move RJ to the 2 and start Obi. He'll only play like 25 mins and eventually, he'll get injured and free up the slot for whoever to play.

[Madskillzz024]

Zion still hasn’t signed his extension yet though it’s probably a pipe dream at this point to lure him here via trade request

[AusKnicksTape]

With Miles Bridges having all his legal trouble, Charlotte will need a PF. Randle for Hayward and a 1st? We get worse but we slot him into the SF, move RJ to the 2 and start Obi. He'll only play like 25 mins and eventually, he'll get injured and free up the slot for whoever to play.

Even a heavily protected 1st. Just anything. How do they not see this.

Is it just who and stubbornness or are FO genuinely lacking in competency?

[Jalen Bluntson]

Seems like Brunson/Hartenstein/Mitch/5.4 exception is all we will be doing this summer. At the moment. I don't like the balance of the roster again. Hopefully the minutes distribution isn't the same as last year.

Brunson/RJ/Evan/Randle/Mitch(?)
Rose/Obi/Hartenstein

That's the primary rotation.

Grimes/IQ/Cam will battle for minutes. Obi will be behind Julius still. I don't care who else is on the roster because they won't get any minutes anyway...unless it's TAJ McBride/Sims/Rookies will be in Westchester getting minutes.

It's better than last year on paper. Yay. A week from summer league. After that the dog days of summer arrive.

Maybe something else happens as a team needed in a deal for one of the big guns. Other than that...not much odds things change from where we are now.

Kemba/Burks/Noel out
Brunson/Hartenstein in

Not very impressed at all honestly. I really hope Brunson becomes an all star.

Sorry but IQ has graduated. Hes a plus defender & can do multiple things on offense. He needs to be penciled in for 25mpg.

Where do those minutes come from if this is the roster? Grimes never plays? RJ plays 23 minutes? Maybe Evan plays less? Obi deserves more minutes too. Something has to give to get those kids more playing time is my point.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Seems like Brunson/Hartenstein/Mitch/5.4 exception is all we will be doing this summer. At the moment. I don't like the balance of the roster again. Hopefully the minutes distribution isn't the same as last year.

Brunson/RJ/Evan/Randle/Mitch(?)
Rose/Obi/Hartenstein

That's the primary rotation.

Grimes/IQ/Cam will battle for minutes. Obi will be behind Julius still. I don't care who else is on the roster because they won't get any minutes anyway...unless it's TAJ McBride/Sims/Rookies will be in Westchester getting minutes.

It's better than last year on paper. Yay. A week from summer league. After that the dog days of summer arrive.

Maybe something else happens as a team needed in a deal for one of the big guns. Other than that...not much odds things change from where we are now.

Kemba/Burks/Noel out
Brunson/Hartenstein in

Not very impressed at all honestly. I really hope Brunson becomes an all star.

Disagree on a couple things.

First and foremost Leon will be under pressure to make a big trade, either Randle or RJ, before the deadline or possibly before the start of the season.

Then there’s DRose, who hasn’t stayed healthy for many years now and shows no indication of being a consistently reliable contributor next season. IQ will have a lot of opportunity and could very well surpass Rose for the brief stints he’s healthy.

Lastly, it seems clear that either Fournier or Grimes will also get dealt. Given Brunson’s size limitations, I don’t think it’ll take much for Tom to start cutting into Fournier’s minutes in favor of Grimes’ superior defense.

I don’t see Reddish having a spot on this team unless we deal RJ. And I also still don’t understand how any team featuring Randle, RJ, and Mitch can possibly succeed on offense since all three require an open lane to be effective.

Our best hope isn’t Brunson. Our best hope is still that the 22 year old takes a massive leap in his development and is able to overcome the hindrance of playing alongside Randle.

Did you read my post? It doesn't seem like you did. Rose... if healthy...is getting minutes. Evan... if here...is getting plenty of minutes. RJ is getting plenty of minutes. Randle is getting plenty of minutes. Where are all of these minutes coming from? IQ and Grimes will compete for backup minutes and Obi has Randle to deal with. The center position is Mitch/Hartenstein.

[Jimmit79]

Are the Knicks relevant yet?

[Chanel Bomber]

Are the Knicks relevant yet?

No. 2084 is still far away.

[Chanel Bomber]

Seems like Brunson/Hartenstein/Mitch/5.4 exception is all we will be doing this summer. At the moment. I don't like the balance of the roster again. Hopefully the minutes distribution isn't the same as last year.

Brunson/RJ/Evan/Randle/Mitch(?)
Rose/Obi/Hartenstein

That's the primary rotation.

Grimes/IQ/Cam will battle for minutes. Obi will be behind Julius still. I don't care who else is on the roster because they won't get any minutes anyway...unless it's TAJ McBride/Sims/Rookies will be in Westchester getting minutes.

It's better than last year on paper. Yay. A week from summer league. After that the dog days of summer arrive.

Maybe something else happens as a team needed in a deal for one of the big guns. Other than that...not much odds things change from where we are now.

Kemba/Burks/Noel out
Brunson/Hartenstein in

Not very impressed at all honestly. I really hope Brunson becomes an all star.

Sorry but IQ has graduated. Hes a plus defender & can do multiple things on offense. He needs to be penciled in for 25mpg.

Where do those minutes come from if this is the roster? Grimes never plays? RJ plays 23 minutes? Maybe Evan plays less? Obi deserves more minutes too. Something has to give to get those kids more playing time is my point.

The most logical decision would be to cut into RJ's minutes and to a lesser extent (since he plays fewer minutes already) Fournier's minutes.

IQ and Grimes need to play more. That should be the priority.

[Jimmit79]

Are the Knicks relevant yet?

No. 2084 is still far away.

Damm Dolan is gonna live that long

[DOT]

I think my real complaint is more the fact that it's Thibs who's gonna be coaching

Cause a good coach would look at this roster and go "well, I've got some guys who are good but not really great, so I have to get creative and make it easier for them to play off each other so we can play to our potential on offense" where Thibs' offensive plan is "Eh, they'll figure it out on that end, I don't have to do anything. Now let's play some drop coverage in the PnR and have the guys defending the corners cheat into the paint. It worked in 2008, I will never have to adjust it."

[Ma10]

Zion still hasn’t signed his extension yet though it’s probably a pipe dream at this point to lure him here via trade request

If Zion can stay healthy for a whole season seems to be seen!

[Jalen Bluntson]

Sorry but IQ has graduated. Hes a plus defender & can do multiple things on offense. He needs to be penciled in for 25mpg.

Where do those minutes come from if this is the roster? Grimes never plays? RJ plays 23 minutes? Maybe Evan plays less? Obi deserves more minutes too. Something has to give to get those kids more playing time is my point.

The most logical decision would be to cut into RJ's minutes and to a lesser extent (since he plays fewer minutes already) Fournier's minutes.

IQ and Grimes need to play more. That should be the priority.

Logic and Thibs don't mix. One of Cam/Grimes is out of luck. IQ will not get 25 minutes. There's 24 or so minutes available behind the 2/3 spots. IQ/Grimes/Cam will be fighting for them. You're not getting 25mpg for IQ unless the SG only plays 23 minutes or Rose is hurt. Then Grimes and Cam will be fighting for the backup 3 minutes.

Read my OP. No one else did apparently.

[Chanel Bomber]

Where do those minutes come from if this is the roster? Grimes never plays? RJ plays 23 minutes? Maybe Evan plays less? Obi deserves more minutes too. Something has to give to get those kids more playing time is my point.

The most logical decision would be to cut into RJ's minutes and to a lesser extent (since he plays fewer minutes already) Fournier's minutes.

IQ and Grimes need to play more. That should be the priority.

Logic and Thibs don't mix. One of Cam/Grimes is out of luck. IQ will not get 25 minutes. There's 24 or so minutes available behind the 2/3 spots. IQ/Grimes/Cam will be fighting for them. You're not getting 25mpg for IQ unless the SG only plays 23 minutes or Rose is hurt. Then Grimes and Cam will be fighting for the backup 3 minutes.

Read my OP. No one else did apparently.

There's definitely a logjam.

The worst part of that logjam is that none of those players demonstrably makes a positive impact, besides IQ whose impact stats are off the charts.

I would trade away RJ, Cam and Fournier, and rebuild the wing rotation with IQ, Grimes, and 1-2 other players. The Knicks' wing depth desperately needs a reset, especially since they've finally addressed the point guard position and Burks and Bullock are gone.

[SARGO127]

Where do those minutes come from if this is the roster? Grimes never plays? RJ plays 23 minutes? Maybe Evan plays less? Obi deserves more minutes too. Something has to give to get those kids more playing time is my point.

The most logical decision would be to cut into RJ's minutes and to a lesser extent (since he plays fewer minutes already) Fournier's minutes.

IQ and Grimes need to play more. That should be the priority.

Logic and Thibs don't mix. One of Cam/Grimes is out of luck. IQ will not get 25 minutes. There's 24 or so minutes available behind the 2/3 spots. IQ/Grimes/Cam will be fighting for them. You're not getting 25mpg for IQ unless the SG only plays 23 minutes or Rose is hurt. Then Grimes and Cam will be fighting for the backup 3 minutes.

Read my OP. No one else did apparently.

We need one more deal to clear up minutes

Rose/Fournier gotta go

[Jalen Bluntson]

The most logical decision would be to cut into RJ's minutes and to a lesser extent (since he plays fewer minutes already) Fournier's minutes.

IQ and Grimes need to play more. That should be the priority.

Logic and Thibs don't mix. One of Cam/Grimes is out of luck. IQ will not get 25 minutes. There's 24 or so minutes available behind the 2/3 spots. IQ/Grimes/Cam will be fighting for them. You're not getting 25mpg for IQ unless the SG only plays 23 minutes or Rose is hurt. Then Grimes and Cam will be fighting for the backup 3 minutes.

Read my OP. No one else did apparently.

There's definitely a logjam.

The worst part of that logjam is that none of those players demonstrably makes a positive impact, besides IQ whose impact stats are off the charts.

I would trade away RJ, Cam and Fournier, and rebuild the wing rotation with IQ, Grimes, and 1-2 other players. The Knicks' wing depth desperately needs a reset, especially since they've finally addressed the point guard position and Burks and Bullock are gone.

We ALL KNOW you would trade RJ. Would the team have the balls? Whoever RJ gets traded for would get minutes and better be a good player so...yeah. Then there's Evan who will not be an easy trade either. Players will come back in those trades. Cam? Do they even care about him?

Something has to give. If not, there's still a logjam and Obi is still backup QB.

[thebuzzardman]

Damn. MPHarris locked the NBA free agency thread due to Chanel's RJ shenanigans.