PG: Knicks fall short in loss to Celts

[god shammgod]

archie-vitiligo can get the f*ck up out here but if the player isn't of a certain quality thibs is not gonna play them. he didn't even really want to play obi.

[TrueWarrior]

Still annoys me that Leon seemingly didnt go after Kristaps at all.

Hes exactly what we need and would not have cost too much. Id rather have him than Mitch all day. They’re both injury prone anyway.

[thebuzzardman]

archie-vitiligo can get the f*ck up out here but if the player isn't of a certain quality thibs is not gonna play them. he didn't even really want to play obi.

He'd play OG. Time for Rosas and Aller, or whoever makes decisions, to spread the asscheeks a bit for Masai and stop hoarding

[NoDopeOnSundays]

The biggest problem isn't that they made the moves or didn't, it's that random people on the internet who aren't paid to do the job could tell you that lack of forward depth was going to be a problem. If people here could see it being an issue, why couldn't they?

[Capn'O]

They're probably not cutting Archipelago but we have a few guys that could be cut and nobody would bat an eye. Who to cut is not the limiting factor in bringing in a backup 4.

as long as we agree that a lot of our end of the bench is agent favors and nepotism because we could have done a lot better filling out the end of the bench in case of injuries...

Outside of McBride/Fournier/Sims maybe...there there is like 5-6 guys I would never trust in a spot to give you quality NBA minutes. And right now all it takes is for RJ/Hart/Randle to to get hurt for one of them to be playing close to 48 minutes a night which Hart just did yesterday.

Oh indeed. I don't mind having one David Wingate on the roster. I also don't mind that we have a bunch of expendable dudes because we'll likely have a bunch of picks this offseason and need to fill roster spots. But we neglected clear needs in so many ways.

[Capn'O]

archie-vitiligo can get the f*ck up out here but if the player isn't of a certain quality thibs is not gonna play them. he didn't even really want to play obi.

It's funnier than Archipelago but harder to remember in a pinch.

[Iron Mantis]

Interesting you bring up that Clipper team. They seem a pretty good comp to our current Knicks.

Their best player was a top point guard (Paul vs. Brunson), they had a pretty good all-star forward (Blake Griffin vs Randle), a pretty good “garbageman center” (DeAndre Jordan vs. Mitch), another good player (Billups vs. RJ) and a decent bench/starter Villanovan (Foye vs. Hart). Also a WHO? guy (Who? vs. Grimes).

They got close but never could make that final leap. (but like with Brunson, DeAndre pissed off Mark Cuban on almost signing again)

But still that Clips team was better than their current All Star NAMES team. So be careful what u wish for – adding a NAME or two isn’t always the answer. Toronto Kawhi was/is not Clippers Kawhi. And for that matter wasn’t Spurs Kawhi either .
But sure would be nice to have a two-way center even if he were slightly (not majorly) less impactful on D.

But that probably also goes nowhere without a new Coach. I’m still happy about playoffs after a 2 decade drought.

On the surface we might be similar to that Clippers team, but we have an RJ.... and Mitch IMO is way more impactful defensively than Jordan, while receiving way less lob opportunities.

How impactful was his defense against Kristaps? First game against them he was in foul trouble, second game against them he was on the perimeter and his rim protection was null and void as a result. Kristaps is 8-16 on shots being guarded by him and his team has scored 79 pts as a result of that matchup, their highest total on the season. The next closest matchup has resulted in 45 team pts, he and his team feasts against Mitch but but defense!!

It's absurd to me that some of you can't see this simple thing, negate his defense with shooting and then make him a negative on offense because of his lack of skill. This is how rim runners have been sent to die for the last 10 years.

So true.

Mitch would make a great backup. But in this era....you can't have him as your starting C if you are trying to build a contender.

Regular season, you'll have some games where he looks like Godzilla grabbing offensive boards/put backs and we forget
..

Teams like Miami, Philly, Boston, Bucks, all will use Mitch like a toy in the playoffs. It's a legit strategy to exploit him. They even employed the hackamitch last night... so disrespectful

Watching the film it looks like sometimes Mitch is a defender for the other team the way he draws the opposing big to the basket to contest our penetrators.

[rajajackal]

what happened i fell asleep at half time in a competitive game and woke up to us losing by double digits

guano liked this because he can relate to a kush coma

[KnicksGadfly]

On the surface we might be similar to that Clippers team, but we have an RJ.... and Mitch IMO is way more impactful defensively than Jordan, while receiving way less lob opportunities.

How impactful was his defense against Kristaps? First game against them he was in foul trouble, second game against them he was on the perimeter and his rim protection was null and void as a result. Kristaps is 8-16 on shots being guarded by him and his team has scored 79 pts as a result of that matchup, their highest total on the season. The next closest matchup has resulted in 45 team pts, he and his team feasts against Mitch but but defense!!

It's absurd to me that some of you can't see this simple thing, negate his defense with shooting and then make him a negative on offense because of his lack of skill. This is how rim runners have been sent to die for the last 10 years.

So true.

Mitch would make a great backup. But in this era....you can't have him as your starting C if you are trying to build a contender.

Regular season, you'll have some games where he looks like Godzilla grabbing offensive boards/put backs and we forget
..

Teams like Miami, Philly, Boston, Bucks, all will use Mitch like a toy in the playoffs. It's a legit strategy to exploit him. They even employed the hackamitch last night... so disrespectful

Watching the film it looks like sometimes Mitch is a defender for the other team the way he draws the opposing big to the basket to contest our penetrators.

Honestly, it probably speaks to a bigger hole in our overall strategy. Mitch was a key reason we won last year, because we had to rely on offensive boards because we didn't have a really strong traditional offense. If we're able to make moves, Mitch probably does need to get phased out.

However, I think we also have to realize that our team has a bunch of ceiling limiters right now. Randle is one, for example. He's pretty good in the regular season, chokes in the post-season, and it's still hard to find a good replacement. Fournier is another. He's taking up some cap space and needs to get traded. This is controversial but Brunson actually might be another...at some point, I suspect that contending teams will target him viciously, even more than usual. This also depends if Brunson can actually be that first option who can continue to just score, no matter what happens. He did seem pretty damn unstoppable in the postseason. It would be nice if the Knicks could get to that point.

[TheGreenArrow]

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[NoDopeOnSundays]

On the surface we might be similar to that Clippers team, but we have an RJ.... and Mitch IMO is way more impactful defensively than Jordan, while receiving way less lob opportunities.

How impactful was his defense against Kristaps? First game against them he was in foul trouble, second game against them he was on the perimeter and his rim protection was null and void as a result. Kristaps is 8-16 on shots being guarded by him and his team has scored 79 pts as a result of that matchup, their highest total on the season. The next closest matchup has resulted in 45 team pts, he and his team feasts against Mitch but but defense!!

It's absurd to me that some of you can't see this simple thing, negate his defense with shooting and then make him a negative on offense because of his lack of skill. This is how rim runners have been sent to die for the last 10 years.

So true.

Mitch would make a great backup. But in this era....you can't have him as your starting C if you are trying to build a contender.

Regular season, you'll have some games where he looks like Godzilla grabbing offensive boards/put backs and we forget
..

Teams like Miami, Philly, Boston, Bucks, all will use Mitch like a toy in the playoffs. It's a legit strategy to exploit him. They even employed the hackamitch last night... so disrespectful

Watching the film it looks like sometimes Mitch is a defender for the other team the way he draws the opposing big to the basket to contest our penetrators.

It's literally the Ben Simmons thing playing out, people think defense can make up for crippling your teams offense in the current NBA. If your big can't shoot he has to be able to pass, if he can't pass he has to be able to score. You cannot be a championship team today without someone that can do 1 of those three things in addition to playing defense/rebounding, because they are eventually going to play against someone that can do those things while severely impacting your offense on the other end.


It's no different than Ben Simmons at this point, he was a multi time all-star and all defense guy in the regular season his defense made up for his offense, until he played teams that were smart enough to punish his lack of offense.

[Reign23]

jesus we're fine guys. tough schedule, RJ missing games, Randle can't hit the side of a barn and we're .500.

[jirrit]

Hauser 4-6 from 3 that is all

28 from 59 for the season btw

[god shammgod]

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[HarthorneWingo]

On the surface we might be similar to that Clippers team, but we have an RJ.... and Mitch IMO is way more impactful defensively than Jordan, while receiving way less lob opportunities.

How impactful was his defense against Kristaps? First game against them he was in foul trouble, second game against them he was on the perimeter and his rim protection was null and void as a result. Kristaps is 8-16 on shots being guarded by him and his team has scored 79 pts as a result of that matchup, their highest total on the season. The next closest matchup has resulted in 45 team pts, he and his team feasts against Mitch but but defense!!

It's absurd to me that some of you can't see this simple thing, negate his defense with shooting and then make him a negative on offense because of his lack of skill. This is how rim runners have been sent to die for the last 10 years.

So true.

Mitch would make a great backup. But in this era....you can't have him as your starting C if you are trying to build a contender.

Regular season, you'll have some games where he looks like Godzilla grabbing offensive boards/put backs and we forget
..

Teams like Miami, Philly, Boston, Bucks, all will use Mitch like a toy in the playoffs. It's a legit strategy to exploit him. They even employed the hackamitch last night... so disrespectful

Watching the film it looks like sometimes Mitch is a defender for the other team the way he draws the opposing big to the basket to contest our penetrators.

Which is why we should've played zone.

[RHODEY]

Interesting you bring up that Clipper team. They seem a pretty good comp to our current Knicks.

Their best player was a top point guard (Paul vs. Brunson), they had a pretty good all-star forward (Blake Griffin vs Randle), a pretty good “garbageman center” (DeAndre Jordan vs. Mitch), another good player (Billups vs. RJ) and a decent bench/starter Villanovan (Foye vs. Hart). Also a WHO? guy (Who? vs. Grimes).

They got close but never could make that final leap. (but like with Brunson, DeAndre pissed off Mark Cuban on almost signing again)

But still that Clips team was better than their current All Star NAMES team. So be careful what u wish for – adding a NAME or two isn’t always the answer. Toronto Kawhi was/is not Clippers Kawhi. And for that matter wasn’t Spurs Kawhi either .
But sure would be nice to have a two-way center even if he were slightly (not majorly) less impactful on D.

But that probably also goes nowhere without a new Coach. I’m still happy about playoffs after a 2 decade drought.

On the surface we might be similar to that Clippers team, but we have an RJ.... and Mitch IMO is way more impactful defensively than Jordan, while receiving way less lob opportunities.

How impactful was his defense against Kristaps? First game against them he was in foul trouble, second game against them he was on the perimeter and his rim protection was null and void as a result. Kristaps is 8-16 on shots being guarded by him and his team has scored 79 pts as a result of that matchup, their highest total on the season. The next closest matchup has resulted in 45 team pts, he and his team feasts against Mitch but but defense!!

It's absurd to me that some of you can't see this simple thing, negate his defense with shooting and then make him a negative on offense because of his lack of skill. This is how rim runners have been sent to die for the last 10 years.

Porzingis is a Unicorn.... overall Mitch is one of the best defensive centers in the league and likely a DPOY candidate. The fact that you frame your argument based on his defense against a single pink elephant center is comical to me.Did Mitch get burned by Wemby? Nah quite the opposite...but of course you didn't mention that particular matchup.

[Jeffrey]

I'm at my end with Thibs folks... on a back-to-back and your best player this season is hurt.. what would any sane coach do? Use your fcking bench.

um he did?

RJ was a late scratch... he went from his usual 9 man to 8 man rotation on the 2nd leg of a back-to-back. Is he telling us that he doesn't trust the 9 players he has and the rest is just fodder? Our bench went 4 for 18... he didn't want to mix it up and try to get a sparkplug from somewhere?

Thibs has always been consistent on a few things and one of them is his stubbornness with his rotation.

So if 2 players go down.. he's going to run a 7 man rotation?

[Jeffrey]

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Chicago's front office is so fcking dumb. The time to trade was last offseason when teams had room to make a play. After 11 games, they now decide that this team isn't a contender. Everyone knew that Chicago and Toronto is in this gray area that needs to make a decision on whether to ride it out or rebuild.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I don't even have much interest in anyone on the bulls. Maybe Torrey Craig for a 2nd rounder?