"Is Julius Randle the problem on the Knicks?" (video analysis)

[KnicksGadfly]

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Not sure if this was shared already, but this basically captures all the criticism of Randle in a few crucial moments.

Are we watching the pisspoor effort of everybody else as we can't rebound on the weak side or close out hard to the ball?

Not sure if we're watching the same video. I see OG, McBride, DDV and iHart as consistently engaged, and playing 4 on 5 in a crucial moment. I see one big power forward, who is supposed to be a good rebounder, as not really trying.

Your defense of Randle is even poorer than his defense in this video and I had no idea this was possible. Must be miraculous

[JayTWill]

I don't feel like Randle's game translates well for him to become a 3rd option at this point in time. A 3rd option would be required to play off the ball more often and contribute in other ways. Randle is not a catch and shoot guy. He does not space the floor well. He is not a pick and pop or pick and roll big. He isn't constantly moving off the ball or setting screens. He and Brunson essentially just take turns looking for their own offense and sometimes creating opportunities for others when there is no shot available to them. Part of the reason they work well together is that they are both difficult shot takers and makers that provide breaks for one another.

Unfortunately Brunson and Randle may not be good enough to be top 2 players on a contending team. You probably need someone better than both of them especially when you take into account their defense. In Randle's case I can't think of any teams that he would possibly be a great fit on other than Miami where they have a culture, system and role available that may be able to make use of his strengths and minimize his weaknesses. He seems to be able to do whatever he wants in New York for some strange reason.

Yep. For some reason, people only think of 3rd options in terms of offense. 1st guy gets all the work, 2nd guy does some work, the 3rd guy rolls to the basket and gets easy dunks.

That's not a 3rd option...that's a sixth man. That's the only other position that really gets to ignore defense to this degree, because the sixth man just gets benched if he's not hot.

Yeah, if he doesn't adjust his game or become more reliable under pressure he may be best suited for a Bobby Portis type of role on a winning team.

[Ursusamericanus]

Much better game from him tonight. Enjoyed his block (successful challenge) down the stretch. Let's see how he does tomorrow.

[NowWHYcee7]

What makes us fantastic, exactly?

The self-aggrandizing we do as Knicks fans is cringe worthy. We call our arena the "Mecca" when we haven't won anything in 50 years. NYC doesn't even produce great basketball players like that. Canada produces better players if we wanna keep it all the way 100, which is embarrassing. We harass and abuse our own players day in day out and then get mad when they respond in kind. Sleeping Giant? LOL that's what I'm talking about. Nah, we've just been trash for a long time. Don't get it F'd up.

I always thought it was New York that was called the "Mecca", not MSG. Lot of the greats are from New York. But yeah, the city hasn't produced as much as they used to. I agree, things have changed. but I honestly, haven't seen fans refer to New York as the Mecca anymore.

There's been a lot of "cursed" franchises in American sports that turned it around. Red Sox, 76ers, Texas Rangers, Suns, etc.

I thought I was a pessimistic fan. But I honestly don't even know what you are doing here lol. Sounds like you want the Knicks to fail because "we don't deserve better". WTF is this lol???

I don't root for any team other than the Knicks.

And Harlem is Mecca, not NYC as a whole. Within the context of basketball it's supposedly MSG.

Aside from Kareem, who were some of the greatest players of all time who were born and raised in NYC? LOL just because some dirtbag kid is shooting around at the park at 2am doesn't mean NYC is the Mecca of basketball, get real pal.

[moocow007]

What makes us fantastic, exactly?

The self-aggrandizing we do as Knicks fans is cringe worthy. We call our arena the "Mecca" when we haven't won anything in 50 years. NYC doesn't even produce great basketball players like that. Canada produces better players if we wanna keep it all the way 100, which is embarrassing. We harass and abuse our own players day in day out and then get mad when they respond in kind. Sleeping Giant? LOL that's what I'm talking about. Nah, we've just been trash for a long time. Don't get it F'd up.

I always thought it was New York that was called the "Mecca", not MSG. Lot of the greats are from New York. But yeah, the city hasn't produced as much as they used to. I agree, things have changed. but I honestly, haven't seen fans refer to New York as the Mecca anymore.

There's been a lot of "cursed" franchises in American sports that turned it around. Red Sox, 76ers, Texas Rangers, Suns, etc.

I thought I was a pessimistic fan. But I honestly don't even know what you are doing here lol. Sounds like you want the Knicks to fail because "we don't deserve better". WTF is this lol???

I don't root for any team other than the Knicks.

And Harlem is Mecca, not NYC as a whole. Within the context of basketball it's supposedly MSG.

Aside from Kareem, who were some of the greatest players of all time who were born and raised in NYC? LOL just because some dirtbag kid is shooting around at the park at 2am doesn't mean NYC is the Mecca of basketball, get real pal.

Bernard King was born in Brooklyn. Bob Cousy was born in Manhattan. Connie Hawkins also born in Brooklyn. Lenny Wilkins also Brooklyn. Same with Chris Mullin who I believe was either born in Brooklyn or Queens. Carmelo Anthony also born in Brooklyn (though unlike the others he moved to the Baltimore area before he started playing organized ball). Stephon Marbury also Brooklyn. That's just off the top of my head.

Not sure which NBA Player was born in Harlem though other than Kareem or course.

[Stannis]

Aside from Kareem, who were some of the greatest players of all time who were born and raised in NYC? LOL just because some dirtbag kid is shooting around at the park at 2am doesn't mean NYC is the Mecca of basketball, get real pal.

"The Mecca of Basketball" is just a nickname. And rightfully coined for New York basketball. The actual Mecca is a Hajj for Muslims. It means a religious duty to go there at least once in your lifetime.

Now look at "the Mecca of Basketball". It's the same thing. Stars love going to Rucker Park. They love dropping +50 at MSG. Once you do that, people will remember it forever. I'd say every NBA Superstar has done this once in their career. That's all it is, imho.

I don't know why people have to think "the Mecca of Basketball" has to mean "greatest NBA stars are born and raised in New York" "Knicks are a great dynasty".

It's not just about the Knicks, NBA players, or MSG . It goes beyond that. History speaks for itself and "the Mecca of Basketball" nickname dates back to the 1930s.

[prophet_of_rage]

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Not sure if this was shared already, but this basically captures all the criticism of Randle in a few crucial moments.

Are we watching the pisspoor effort of everybody else as we can't rebound on the weak side or close out hard to the ball?

Not sure if we're watching the same video. I see OG, McBride, DDV and iHart as consistently engaged, and playing 4 on 5 in a crucial moment. I see one big power forward, who is supposed to be a good rebounder, as not really trying.

Your defense of Randle is even poorer than his defense in this video and I had no idea this was possible. Must be miraculous

You're not seeing the offensive rebound on the weakside away from Randle's area? That same poor rebounding effort.lost us the game against Dallas.

I watch the full game not witch hunt one player.

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[prophet_of_rage]

I always thought it was New York that was called the "Mecca", not MSG. Lot of the greats are from New York. But yeah, the city hasn't produced as much as they used to. I agree, things have changed. but I honestly, haven't seen fans refer to New York as the Mecca anymore.

There's been a lot of "cursed" franchises in American sports that turned it around. Red Sox, 76ers, Texas Rangers, Suns, etc.

I thought I was a pessimistic fan. But I honestly don't even know what you are doing here lol. Sounds like you want the Knicks to fail because "we don't deserve better". WTF is this lol???

I don't root for any team other than the Knicks.

And Harlem is Mecca, not NYC as a whole. Within the context of basketball it's supposedly MSG.

Aside from Kareem, who were some of the greatest players of all time who were born and raised in NYC? LOL just because some dirtbag kid is shooting around at the park at 2am doesn't mean NYC is the Mecca of basketball, get real pal.

Bernard King was born in Brooklyn. Bob Cousy was born in Manhattan. Connie Hawkins also born in Brooklyn. Lenny Wilkins also Brooklyn. Same with Chris Mullin who I believe was either born in Brooklyn or Queens. Carmelo Anthony also born in Brooklyn (though unlike the others he moved to the Baltimore area before he started playing organized ball). Stephon Marbury also Brooklyn. That's just off the top of my head.

Not sure which NBA Player was born in Harlem though other than Kareem or course.

New York hasn't produced anybody recent and relevant since Marbury. LA and Chicago are where the stars are made these days.

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[prophet_of_rage]

BTW, Julius Randle's clutch stats. He still has zero turnovers in the clutch

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/clutch-traditional?PerMode=Totals&dir=A&sort=FGA

We're missing a lot of good that he's doing.

[Jalen Bluntson]

BTW, Julius Randle's clutch stats. He still has zero turnovers in the clutch

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/clutch-traditional?PerMode=Totals&dir=A&sort=FGA

We're missing a lot of good that he's doing.

Haven't we seen enough of him pounding the ball to death and bricking last second shots? He is the opposite of clutch.

[Garbagelo]

In the regular season, he is usually not a problem

In the playoffs, he will be problem #1

I think you need to sell high if you are able to get a starter

[Stannis]

In the regular season, he is usually not a problem

In the playoffs, he will be problem #1

I think you need to sell high if you are able to get a starter

This would be the wisest decision.

But will the Knicks break their norm and actually do it?

They tend to fall in love with these kind of players and sell them low; after they are already disgruntled and on the decline. Randle is already signs of regression (the 3 ball & TOs) and will be 30 next year. He's all out of potential.

[iLLmatic860]

I don't root for any team other than the Knicks.

And Harlem is Mecca, not NYC as a whole. Within the context of basketball it's supposedly MSG.

Aside from Kareem, who were some of the greatest players of all time who were born and raised in NYC? LOL just because some dirtbag kid is shooting around at the park at 2am doesn't mean NYC is the Mecca of basketball, get real pal.

Bernard King was born in Brooklyn. Bob Cousy was born in Manhattan. Connie Hawkins also born in Brooklyn. Lenny Wilkins also Brooklyn. Same with Chris Mullin who I believe was either born in Brooklyn or Queens. Carmelo Anthony also born in Brooklyn (though unlike the others he moved to the Baltimore area before he started playing organized ball). Stephon Marbury also Brooklyn. That's just off the top of my head.

Not sure which NBA Player was born in Harlem though other than Kareem or course.

New York hasn't produced anybody recent and relevant since Marbury. LA and Chicago are where the stars are made these days.

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Dc Maryland too

[Jalen Bluntson]

Bernard King was born in Brooklyn. Bob Cousy was born in Manhattan. Connie Hawkins also born in Brooklyn. Lenny Wilkins also Brooklyn. Same with Chris Mullin who I believe was either born in Brooklyn or Queens. Carmelo Anthony also born in Brooklyn (though unlike the others he moved to the Baltimore area before he started playing organized ball). Stephon Marbury also Brooklyn. That's just off the top of my head.

Not sure which NBA Player was born in Harlem though other than Kareem or course.

New York hasn't produced anybody recent and relevant since Marbury. LA and Chicago are where the stars are made these days.

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Dc Maryland too

Jordan was born in Brooklyn....

[iLLmatic860]

New York hasn't produced anybody recent and relevant since Marbury. LA and Chicago are where the stars are made these days.

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Dc Maryland too

Jordan was born in Brooklyn....

He said "where stars are made these days"

[Jalen Bluntson]

Dc Maryland too

Jordan was born in Brooklyn....

He said "where stars are made these days"

No. Moscow just listed players from before most of us were born. I just added another to that list.