PG: KNICKS 'Swat' The Hornets (fans overtake the arena)

[cgmw]

Amazing moment after Frank got called for the 3-shot flagrant on Brunson—close up on his face when he said “F*ck Me” in English for some reason. I think he knows the end is near.

[gavran]

So it turns out it was not OG all along...it's Precious who was the catalyst for the team. God'sgift Achiuwa.

[Guano]

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How tf did he witness Frank's handle then say that sht.

Plot twist: he knew his time with the Knicks was going to be short so he wanted to troll the fan base before he left

I'll allow it.

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How tf did he witness Frank's handle then say that sht.

Knicks REALGM board wanted Ramon Sessions for years...

Tbf he was probably an upgrade over whatever trash pg we had at the time

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They're really well run right now.

We were moving that way with Pills and to a lesser extent Phil. Leon's group's execution has >>> previous regimes but we moved towards having all our picks and clean books under those two. It's been a long haul towards solvency, which was needed for so long. Now we have a really good group in charge.

[Galvationknicks]

Unreal

Jalen Brunson, Donte DiVincenzo, Steph Curry, Paul George, and Malik Beasley are the only five players in the NBA who have made more than 125 three-pointers while shooting above 40% from downtown this season

[Jalen Bluntson]

Personally, I think he's 5-6 weeks out. Similar to Curry when he dislocated his shoulder and I think we can agree Randle has a more developed upper body. But like I said, I think if he isn't back by the 23rd, we'll be hearing he's a week or so out.

Listen, I hope you're right. I am thinking more like 6-8 weeks because Knicks.

We had to run 13-2 to get 6 game separation from MIA/ORL in 3 weeks. So... After seeing last night's game and having no clue who we bring in by the deadline, I'm gonna hold off with the positive energy until the results are in. I have zero problem being wrong and, I'm hoping I am.

We have a week to the TDL. MAYBE, they can help stop the free fall from happening. Then we have something to look forward too. I can't imagine watching 4-8 weeks of the shyt show we saw last night.

I’ll say first game after all-star. After my shoulder was popped back it, I used a brace for 2 weeks and dealt with soreness. He’s in better shape and has better trainers

We shall see. How old were you? What do you do for a living? How severe was your injury and how did you get it? Lots of variables. Is he gonna be willing to risk his career in the future by coming back too soon?

We all hope he comes back tomorrow but, we shall see. If he's back after the ASB I'll be 100% surprised. I am almost willing to bet money that isn't the timeline. Hope I'm wrong.

[stuporman]

Disappointed in the lack of 'Murdered Hornets' in the PG thread title...

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never forget where we've came from

Cannot believe how horrible he is - probably the worst player in the league. No improvement from his rookie season. I honestly don't think he likes playing basketball.

"Play the Kids!"
Coaches: no

Sometimes these players we want to see get more minutes really are scrubs behind the scenes

[Chanel Bomber]

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They're really well run right now.

We were moving that way with Pills and to a lesser extent Phil. Leon's group's execution has >>> previous regimes but we moved towards having all our picks and clean books under those two. It's been a long haul towards solvency, which was needed for so long. Now we have a really good group in charge.

Phil and Pills were both completely incompetent but you're right that they at least didn't ruin our future by trading away future picks.

Leon pretty much started with a blank slate (plus Randle) without inheriting any debt from the previous regimes.

Amid the catastrophe, it still constituted as progress over the Isiah years.

[Jalen Bluntson]

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never forget where we've came from

Cannot believe how horrible he is - probably the worst player in the league. No improvement from his rookie season. I honestly don't think he likes playing basketball.

"Play the Kids!"
Coaches: no

Sometimes these players we want to see get more minutes really are scrubs behind the scenes

Then we get better draft picks as a result and possibly land a star in the draft. That's what play the kids means.

[Deeeez Knicks]

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never forget where we've came from

Cannot believe how horrible he is - probably the worst player in the league. No improvement from his rookie season. I honestly don't think he likes playing basketball.

"Play the Kids!"
Coaches: no

Sometimes these players we want to see get more minutes really are scrubs behind the scenes

my theory is that they knew he was a lemon immediately after they drafted him. Saw him in Tarrytown a couple times for works out and were like "oh god, this guy can't play. Let's find any able body guy to play point guard." Which lead to Sessions and Jack being signed pretty quickly after the draft. Even with how bad Mills was, GM's don't bury their draft picks for no reason.

[Chanel Bomber]

Cannot believe how horrible he is - probably the worst player in the league. No improvement from his rookie season. I honestly don't think he likes playing basketball.

"Play the Kids!"
Coaches: no

Sometimes these players we want to see get more minutes really are scrubs behind the scenes

Then we get better draft picks as a result and possibly land a star in the draft. That's what play the kids means.

You're rewriting history now. At minimum being conveniently selective.

The optimism in that plan was also rooted in the confidence that the kids would turn out good. We saw that with Frank, RJ and Obi. Less so with Knox. Significant portions of the fanbase thought at different moments in time that these players were going to become stars, or much better than they've turned out to be.

Sure, the other pillar of the pro-tank argument was to keep being bad until you draft a star, but draft position doesn't guarantee a star, especially if your FO is incompetent. And the plan of building through the youth makes no sense if the draft picks don't pan out at some point.

The Knicks showed no ability to find a star in the draft through multiple years. Knicks fans didn't either, seeing their confidence in the RJs and Obis of the world.

[Gravy]

Cannot believe how horrible he is - probably the worst player in the league. No improvement from his rookie season. I honestly don't think he likes playing basketball.

"Play the Kids!"
Coaches: no

Sometimes these players we want to see get more minutes really are scrubs behind the scenes

Then we get better draft picks as a result and possibly land a star in the draft. That's what play the kids means.

We got a superstar without the draft. Just like the Thunder and Pacers so its possible without tanking for 5-10 years and waiting for the kids.

[Gravy]

Cannot believe how horrible he is - probably the worst player in the league. No improvement from his rookie season. I honestly don't think he likes playing basketball.

"Play the Kids!"
Coaches: no

Sometimes these players we want to see get more minutes really are scrubs behind the scenes

my theory is that they knew he was a lemon immediately after they drafted him. Saw him in Tarrytown a couple times for works out and were like "oh god, this guy can't play. Let's find any able body guy to play point guard." Which lead to Sessions and Jack being signed pretty quickly after the draft. Even with how bad Mills was, GM's don't bury their draft picks for no reason.

I think they really tried to bring in vets to mentor Frank his rookie year. But he was so bad that he couldn't out play dudes ready to retire. When they brought in young guards like Mudiay, DSJ, Burke, thats when they were like this kid sucks we need someone else.

[Jalen Bluntson]

"Play the Kids!"
Coaches: no

Sometimes these players we want to see get more minutes really are scrubs behind the scenes

Then we get better draft picks as a result and possibly land a star in the draft. That's what play the kids means.

You're rewriting history now. At minimum being conveniently selective.

The optimism in that plan was also rooted in the confidence that the kids would turn out good. We saw that with Frank, RJ and Obi. Less so with Knox. Significant portions of the fanbase thought at different moments in time that these players were going to become stars, or much better than they've turned out to be.

Sure, the other pillar of the pro-tank argument was to keep being bad until you draft a star, but draft position doesn't guarantee a star, especially if your FO is incompetent. And the plan of building through the youth makes no sense if the draft picks don't pan out at some point.

The Knicks showed no ability to find a star in the draft through multiple years. Knicks fans didn't either, seeing their confidence in the RJs and Obis of the world.

Play the kids and live with the results was the battle cry for people who were sick and tired of landing the 7-8-9 picks in the draft because we kept playing tired old vets for NO REASON. They won a few more games and hurt our draft picks EVERY SINGLE TIME. Obviously there is hope that they get better but, the logic is that if they don't we have a better shot at landing a star with a HIGHER PICK than 7-8-9. I didn't rewrite any history. It's simple logic. You are talking nonsense here.

You act like picking late lottery is trying to land a star? It's not. It's the worst approach to drafting that there is BUT, there would have been no complaints if we played the kids to those same results. Which we didn't.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Play the kids vs play the vets?

They all sucked and were awful too watch. Did anyone really want to watch Tim Hardaway, Elf, and Freedom Kanter?

Personally, I would have rather bottomed out and see if there was a chance the youth would pan out or hope for a top pick. But management was so incompetent they would have messed up no matter what

Just glad those days are over. It's unbelievable how much better shape we are in.

In the end it took all avenues to build this....picks panning out, good free agent signings and trades

[Chanel Bomber]

Then we get better draft picks as a result and possibly land a star in the draft. That's what play the kids means.

You're rewriting history now. At minimum being conveniently selective.

The optimism in that plan was also rooted in the confidence that the kids would turn out good. We saw that with Frank, RJ and Obi. Less so with Knox. Significant portions of the fanbase thought at different moments in time that these players were going to become stars, or much better than they've turned out to be.

Sure, the other pillar of the pro-tank argument was to keep being bad until you draft a star, but draft position doesn't guarantee a star, especially if your FO is incompetent. And the plan of building through the youth makes no sense if the draft picks don't pan out at some point.

The Knicks showed no ability to find a star in the draft through multiple years. Knicks fans didn't either, seeing their confidence in the RJs and Obis of the world.

Play the kids and live with the results was the battle cry for people who were sick and tired of landing the 7-8-9 picks in the draft because we kept playing tired old vets for NO REASON. They won a few more games and hurt our draft picks EVERY SINGLE TIME. Obviously there is hope that they get better but, the logic is that if they don't we have a better shot at landing a star with a HIGHER PICK than 7-8-9. I didn't rewrite any history. It's simple logic. You are talking nonsense here.

You act like picking late lottery is trying to land a star? It's not. It's the worst approach to drafting that there is BUT, there would have been no complaints if we played the kids to those same results. Which we didn't.

Is it the worst approach?

The Pacers seem to be doing just fine with Haliburton, who was drafted after Obi, but also after Wiseman and Lamelo, these surefire stars that you seemingly would have died to pick at the top of that draft.

Tanking is meaningless if you don't draft well. Sure, you have slightly higher odds at the top of the draft vs on the backend of the lottery but it doesn't make up for poor talent evaluation.

That's the issue with your take. Your argument is based on "simple logic" as you said. But team building is complicated with different pathways, and the same pathways may have different outcomes. "Simple logic" doesn't answer complicated questions.

In the end, the draft pick who was drafted 3rd held the team back, and the (young) vet who you maligned so often and who contributed to us having a worse draft position in 2020, has been a star for this team in 3 of the last 4 seasons, and a driving force behind the success of this team. Things have not gone the way you expected them to.