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[Gravy]

I don't really think anyone holds the ATL series against thibs...he has had some talented teams in the playoffs. Those CHI teams weren't buns. Our team last year wasn't buns.

But waiting until after game 1 in the playoffs to remove Elfrid Payton from the starting lineup was a really bad coaching decision in the sense we all so what happening months ago and because we were winning "enough" he kept playing him. We had time to adjust and get comfortable with a new lineup but he stubbornly stuck with the rotation even starting him to then never bring him back in because he didn't want to "mess with the bench". It was a silly decision and making that change in game 2 of the playoffs is too late.

To me, a good coach is someone who is able to elevate the talent, to get them to win when they shouldn't

Like, let's look at his postseason resume

2011 he beat the 37 win Pacers and 44 win Hawks. Neither of those are super impressive for a 1 seed who won 60 games

2012 lost in the 1st round

2013 beat a pretty decent Brooklyn team

2014 lost in the 1st round

2015 beat a Bucks team whose leading scorer was 23-year-old Khris Middleton

2018 lost in the 1st round

2021 lost in the 1st round

2023 beat the Donovan Mitchell Cavs

So in 8 trips to the playoffs, you can argue his teams have beaten a team they shouldn't twice (2023 and 2013). And like I said, that's even not super impressive because the teams he's beaten which he arguably shouldn't aren't like, great contenders, just teams that are better on paper by a bit.

lets take a look at this in context since you said you only started watching ball in 2018 or 2017

in 2011 they went to the ecf against the big 3 in miami.
in 2012 d rose tore his acl
in 2013 got to 2nd round without d rose
in 2014 no d rose
in 2015 lost to the nba finals cavs in 6 games
in 2018 lost to the rockets who took gsw to 7 games in the wcf

there isnt a series thibs should've won that he lost. he won everything with the talent that was given to him. and most of those teams there wasnt much talent there. majority of those teams thibs was relying on backup point guards. nate robinson, cj watson, washed kirk hinrich, dj augustine. thibs was overachieving with those teams at that point.

Yup. Thanks for including some of the actual players rosters which was in my original point instead of comparing nameless records.

Dudes be like why couldn't Thibs beat Lebron with Kirk Heinrich

[DOT]

so you're saying he should've won more with guys like nate robinson, cj watson, dj augustine, kirk hinrich? you can't be serious man. what coach is taking those guys to the ecf?

That's a disingenuous question

I'm not saying any of those teams should have gone to the ecf. I'm saying they shouldn't have

A good coach can win series where his teams have talent deficiencies. The Heat win series they shouldn't quite a bit, that's how you can tell Spoelstra is a good coach. Thibs doesn't have any of those wins

Again, he wins when he should win and loses when he should lose. A good coach can win when he should lose.

[MrDollarBills]

Two PGs always seems to work really well. With Hart it’s like 3.

Having a spacer and defender in Deuce is huge now and in the future.

Leon getting this guy locked in well below value on his contract was a masterclass move. They knew what they had the entire time.

[mpharris36]

in the month of may he was averaging 15 mins before the playoffs. did not play a single game of 20 mins or more in that month. thibs was clearly phasing him out of the rotation for the playoffs. rose was already finishing games and playing with the starters. payton at that point was just playing for the beginning of the game and back to the bench. i dont see how thibs not removing him completely from the rotation would've made a significant difference. this is just nitpicking hardcore for your anti thibs agenda

and like others have said, there isnt a series that thibs had more talent than the other team and still lost. so...

who has an anti thibs agenda...just like a player, a coach can be criticized too. He isn't impervious of criticism if it is deserved.

bro you be saying **** you thibs in like every game thread and have said mad times you want him fired

and theres a bunch of you guys here too on that same timing

its a gamethread. I watch games and I'm an emotional fan. It isn't to be taken so seriously. I certainly have issues with his minutes and inflexibility at times and I voice that frustration.

Why does it bother you so much?

[K_ick_God]

Two PGs always seems to work really well. With Hart it’s like 3.

Having a spacer and defender in Deuce is huge now and in the future.

Leon getting this guy locked in well below value on his contract was a masterclass move. They knew what they had the entire time.

Yep and Thibs admitted it — said he’s been their best shooter in practice (except maybe JB) for some time now.

[mpharris36]

thibs aint getting fired anytime soon and everyone knows it. this is all pointless.

I don't think anyone disagrees with that. The POBO is one of his good friends and the best player loves him. And he doesn't deserve to be fired either (right now). I think this playoffs will be important for him but even an early round playoff loss probably doesn't hurt him too much either.

I don't think people should overreact to IGT comments...I don't know about the rest of you and how you watch games but its difficult to be a fan and watch the game in the basement not trying to make too much noise to wake up the kids. So I angrily write to you bums

I watch a player go down with an injury or hurt and they aren't taken out I get upset

[MrDollarBills]

Two PGs always seems to work really well. With Hart it’s like 3.

Having a spacer and defender in Deuce is huge now and in the future.

Leon getting this guy locked in well below value on his contract was a masterclass move. They knew what they had the entire time.

Yep and Thibs admitted it — said he’s been their best shooter in practice (except maybe JB) for some time now.

Shrewd.

Deuce gets some financial stability while the team keeps him locked in as a rotation piece and possible trade asset. It's a win/win for both team and player.

I would hope that Deuce doesn't get traded, but i have a feeling teams are gonna ask this summer. Especially after last night

[3toheadmelo]

so you're saying he should've won more with guys like nate robinson, cj watson, dj augustine, kirk hinrich? you can't be serious man. what coach is taking those guys to the ecf?

That's a disingenuous question

I'm not saying any of those teams should have gone to the ecf. I'm saying they shouldn't have

A good coach can win series where his teams have talent deficiencies. The Heat win series they shouldn't quite a bit, that's how you can tell Spoelstra is a good coach. Thibs doesn't have any of those wins

Again, he wins when he should win and loses when he should lose. A good coach can win when he should lose.

in 2013 the dude took a nate robinson led team to the 2nd round. and lost to the miami heat. 2 of those series listed he lost to that superteam in miami. nobody was touching them in those days in the east. you had to be around back then to know what i mean. and then he lost to lebron and kyrie in 6 games in 2015 with a washed up pau gasol, d rose's first year back and butler wasnt a star yet. so basically he's been losing to lebron's superteams while he was in his prime. im not sure what coach is supposed to beat them with much less talented teams.

and in regards to spo, he's a great coach but this dude never took down a superteam with lebron in the east to get to the finals. spo missed the playoffs a couple times once bron left miami too.

you gotta look all this stuff in context or watch tapes of those games if you never seen them

[god shammgod]

thibs aint getting fired anytime soon and everyone knows it. this is all pointless.

I don't think anyone disagrees with that. The POBO is one of his good friends and the best player loves him. And he doesn't deserve to be fired either (right now). I think this playoffs will be important for him but even an early round playoff loss probably doesn't hurt him too much either.

I don't think people should overreact to IGT comments...I don't know about the rest of you and how you watch games but its difficult to be a fan and watch the game in the basement not trying to make too much noise to wake up the kids. So I angrily write to you bums

I watch a player go down with an injury or hurt and they aren't taken out I get upset

i myself am never hyperbolic in game threads. you guys need to learn to control yourselves.

[mpharris36]

Walt Perrin also needs a shout out...he has done an amazing job with scouting and finding productive college players. Guys like IQ/Grimes/Duece...just seems like he is able to really find out that these guys have elite work ethic.

I won't blame him for the Obi pick because that was clearly a Leon Rose pick.

[mpharris36]

thibs aint getting fired anytime soon and everyone knows it. this is all pointless.

I don't think anyone disagrees with that. The POBO is one of his good friends and the best player loves him. And he doesn't deserve to be fired either (right now). I think this playoffs will be important for him but even an early round playoff loss probably doesn't hurt him too much either.

I don't think people should overreact to IGT comments...I don't know about the rest of you and how you watch games but its difficult to be a fan and watch the game in the basement not trying to make too much noise to wake up the kids. So I angrily write to you bums

I watch a player go down with an injury or hurt and they aren't taken out I get upset

i myself am never hyperbolic in game threads. you guys need to learn to control yourselves.

the calming force of the knicks message board...

[ellobo]

McNutt so cute

I looked up Monica's playing career and she was a really solid player at Georgetown. Starter and double figure scorer her junior and senior years, and all Big East as a junior. Her last two years, she shot .353 and .341 on 5.7 and 6.0 three point attempts per game.

[3toheadmelo]

who has an anti thibs agenda...just like a player, a coach can be criticized too. He isn't impervious of criticism if it is deserved.

bro you be saying **** you thibs in like every game thread and have said mad times you want him fired

and theres a bunch of you guys here too on that same timing

its a gamethread. I watch games and I'm an emotional fan. It isn't to be taken so seriously. I certainly have issues with his minutes and inflexibility at times and I voice that frustration.

Why does it bother you so much?

why does it bother you so much that i said you have an anti thibs agenda? no need to fake it. there's mad receipts, even outside of game threads that you been calling to get him fired. do you though. lol

[god shammgod]

nice to put together a string of wins right now but between randle, og and mitch needing to be and stay healthy going forward, i'm not sure these playoffs are gonna be what people think they'll be. and it's not gonna be thibs fault if so.

[mpharris36]

bro you be saying **** you thibs in like every game thread and have said mad times you want him fired

and theres a bunch of you guys here too on that same timing

its a gamethread. I watch games and I'm an emotional fan. It isn't to be taken so seriously. I certainly have issues with his minutes and inflexibility at times and I voice that frustration.

Why does it bother you so much?

why does it bother you so much that i said you have an anti thibs agenda? no need to fake it. there's mad receipts, even outside of game threads that you been calling to get him fired. do you though. lol

nice, the classic, it doesn't bother me it bothers you response...

[3toheadmelo]

nice to put together a string of wins right now but between randle, og and mitch needing to be and stay healthy going forward, i'm not sure these playoffs are gonna be what people think they'll be. and it's not gonna be thibs fault if so.

thibs gonna get blamed no matter what. hes getting blamed for playing elfrid payton 8 minutes in game 1 so he's gonna get blamed for something else ridiculous

[3toheadmelo]

its a gamethread. I watch games and I'm an emotional fan. It isn't to be taken so seriously. I certainly have issues with his minutes and inflexibility at times and I voice that frustration.

Why does it bother you so much?

why does it bother you so much that i said you have an anti thibs agenda? no need to fake it. there's mad receipts, even outside of game threads that you been calling to get him fired. do you though. lol

nice, the classic, it doesn't bother me it bothers you response...

you the one mad about it brodie

[mpharris36]

nice to put together a string of wins right now but between randle, og and mitch needing to be and stay healthy going forward, i'm not sure these playoffs are gonna be what people think they'll be. and it's not gonna be thibs fault if so.

Read on Twitter

some of the injuries can still be on the coach/medical staff...its hasn't been ideal there handling of some of the guys to be fair...not blaming it all on coach/medical staff but we can't keep saying he doesn't have a full roster when it seems every year he doesn't have a fully healthy roster...is that just happenstance or a coincidence? Or maybe a little of both?

[mpharris36]

why does it bother you so much that i said you have an anti thibs agenda? no need to fake it. there's mad receipts, even outside of game threads that you been calling to get him fired. do you though. lol

nice, the classic, it doesn't bother me it bothers you response...

you the one mad about it brodie

who came in this thread complaining about anti "thibs" people

[NoDopeOnSundays]

nice to put together a string of wins right now but between randle, og and mitch needing to be and stay healthy going forward, i'm not sure these playoffs are gonna be what people think they'll be. and it's not gonna be thibs fault if so.

He put Mitch back in the game with a fractured ankle.
He left Randle in a game where we were up 17 with 4 mins to go in the 4th.
When OG got here he was playing 40+ mpg after like a week, also brought him back in the 2nd half when it was clear he reinjured something.

If Hart gets injured you guys will act like averaging 43mpg had nothing to do with it. The injuries are in large part his fault because he has a clear track record of this happening.