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Re: Knicks Summer-league Thread July 12-22 at UNLV 

Post#221 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Jul 13, 2024 1:47 am

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Could be a gamble like Denver made on Porter Jr.

If he gets healthy they have a potential starter talent


Makes sense to grab a guy that was considered first round talent in the 50’s. I just hope he’s not damaged goods and gets a chance to play.


How high was he projected?


probably 20 to 30 range, i.e. later first, early second
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Re: Knicks Summer-league Thread July 12-22 at UNLV 

Post#222 » by Fat » Sat Jul 13, 2024 2:16 am

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Re: Knicks Summer-league Thread July 12-22 at UNLV 

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Re: Knicks Summer-league Thread July 12-22 at UNLV 

Post#224 » by islanders11040 » Sat Jul 13, 2024 2:37 am

is it crazy im not sure if I would trade pacom dadiet and Kolek for Risacher
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Re: Knicks Summer-league Thread July 12-22 at UNLV 

Post#225 » by robillionaire » Sat Jul 13, 2024 2:39 am

islanders11040 wrote:is it crazy im not sure if I would trade pacom dadiet and Kolek for Risacher


First they traded away Luka Doncic wasted a top 10 pick on Scam and now this. Terrible franchise.
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Re: Knicks Summer-league Thread July 12-22 at UNLV 

Post#226 » by knicksNOTslick » Sat Jul 13, 2024 5:32 am

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islanders11040 wrote:is it crazy im not sure if I would trade pacom dadiet and Kolek for Risacher


First they traded away Luka Doncic wasted a top 10 pick on Scam and now this. Terrible franchise.

You forgot about the two unprotected picks (3 1st total) plus a pick swap they traded away to San Antonio for Dejounte Murray 2 years ago. And what they got back for him this year is no where even close to that.
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Re: Knicks Summer-league Thread July 12-22 at UNLV 

Post#227 » by MrDollarBills » Sat Jul 13, 2024 11:46 am

Any other players of note on the SL roster that I should look out for today besides Dadiet, Ariel, Kolek, and Joku?
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Post#228 » by islanders11040 » Sat Jul 13, 2024 2:28 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:Any other players of note on the SL roster that I should look out for today besides Dadiet, Ariel, Kolek, and Joku?

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Re: Knicks Summer-league Thread July 12-22 at UNLV 

Post#229 » by Jalen Bluntson » Sat Jul 13, 2024 3:07 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:Any other players of note on the SL roster that I should look out for today besides Dadiet, Ariel, Kolek, and Joku?

McCullers


McCullar is injured and not with the team.
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Re: Knicks Summer-league Thread July 12-22 at UNLV 

Post#230 » by Fury » Sat Jul 13, 2024 3:17 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:Any other players of note on the SL roster that I should look out for today besides Dadiet, Ariel, Kolek, and Joku?


I read somewhere that they really like Amari Kelly.
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Post#231 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Jul 13, 2024 3:33 pm

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Re: Knicks Summer-league Thread July 12-22 at UNLV 

Post#232 » by Luv those Knicks » Sat Jul 13, 2024 3:36 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:Any other players of note on the SL roster that I should look out for today besides Dadiet, Ariel, Kolek, and Joku?


I read somewhere that they really like Amari Kelly.


Kelly was in college last year, went undrafted and he's old for a college player at 24, but somebody else said that he might be worth watching. We need a PF so he might make the team as PF depth. We'll see.

Justin Lewis had a 2-way deal with the bulls last year, which they didn't renew, so, maybe that means something, but he's just 22. Interestingly, he has the same birthday as Ariel Hukporti. Long wing span. I'm curious about Justin.

Samkelo Cele was one of the top players in the African league last year. Might be a late bloomer. He's 26.

I'm a tiny bit curious about Alex O'Connell.

But most of these players are competing for a 2-way contract. There's probably not much NBA talent there, outside of perhaps Kolek and maybe Hukporti. Dadiet will be fun to watch, but he's very young. He turns 19 soon, but the next youngest player on the Knicks team is 22.
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Re: Knicks Summer-league Thread July 12-22 at UNLV 

Post#233 » by NYKinMIA » Sat Jul 13, 2024 3:38 pm

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Re: Knicks Summer-league Thread July 12-22 at UNLV 

Post#234 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Jul 13, 2024 3:42 pm

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If he can facilitate like he did in college do not be surprised if he's on the court with Brunson for some stretches. Jalen does such an incredible job of collapsing defenses and freeing up our shooters, but he has not played next to an elite floor general unless you look back to Luka. While Brunson's game is primarily with the ball in his hands, having another guy on the floor who dissects the opponent with superior distribution skills should open up Brunson's game to play off ball more often.

Not getting ahead of myself, but the FO locked up Kolek for 4 years because they believe he's got the goods. Watching his clips gives me John Stockton vibes.

I'll take a brainiac PG over an athletic freak 8 days a week. This guy is going to raise our hoops IQ.
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Re: Knicks Summer-league Thread July 12-22 at UNLV 

Post#235 » by Richard4444 » Sat Jul 13, 2024 3:43 pm

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Explains why he isn’t signed. Guess he tried to give it a go and is still too hurt? He’s been injured a while too.


Probably, we don't know if we give him a standard contract or a 2-way deal. We need 14 standard contracts to begin the season (max is 15). We already have 12 players in standard contracts and Ariel in a 2-way deal.
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Re: Knicks Summer-league Thread July 12-22 at UNLV 

Post#236 » by knicksNOTslick » Sat Jul 13, 2024 3:57 pm

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thebuzzardman wrote:Bye Deuce



If he can facilitate like he did in college do not be surprised if he's on the court with Brunson for some stretches. Jalen does such an incredible job of collapsing defenses and freeing up our shooters, but he has not played next to an elite floor general unless you look back to Luka. While Brunson's game is primarily with the ball in his hands, having another guy on the floor who dissects the opponent with superior distribution skills should open up Brunson's game to play off ball more often.

Not getting ahead of myself, but the FO locked up Kolek for 4 years because they believe he's got the goods. Watching his clips gives me John Stockton vibes.

I'll take a brainiac PG over an athletic freak 8 days a week. This guy is going to raise our hoops IQ.

Brunson has played next to an elite floor general though. Julius Randle.

I was kidding about the elite part but Randle does collapse defenses when he bullies his way to the rim and his playmaking allows Brunson to play off ball more.

About Kolek, I can't wait for him to match up against TJ McConnell.
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Re: Knicks Summer-league Thread July 12-22 at UNLV 

Post#237 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Sat Jul 13, 2024 4:10 pm

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Explains why he isn’t signed. Guess he tried to give it a go and is still too hurt? He’s been injured a while too.


Probably, we don't know if we give him a standard contract or a 2-way deal. We need 14 standard contracts to begin the season (max is 15). We already have 12 players in standard contracts and Ariel in a 2-way deal.


Gotta assume precious will be spot 13. Or whatever they do for a back up big. Maybe Rokas becomes that 14th contract? There’s still the tax player MLE too.
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Re: Knicks Summer-league Thread July 12-22 at UNLV 

Post#238 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Jul 13, 2024 4:13 pm

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If he can facilitate like he did in college do not be surprised if he's on the court with Brunson for some stretches. Jalen does such an incredible job of collapsing defenses and freeing up our shooters, but he has not played next to an elite floor general unless you look back to Luka. While Brunson's game is primarily with the ball in his hands, having another guy on the floor who dissects the opponent with superior distribution skills should open up Brunson's game to play off ball more often.

Not getting ahead of myself, but the FO locked up Kolek for 4 years because they believe he's got the goods. Watching his clips gives me John Stockton vibes.

I'll take a brainiac PG over an athletic freak 8 days a week. This guy is going to raise our hoops IQ.

Brunson has played next to an elite floor general though. Julius Randle.

I was kidding about the elite part but Randle does collapse defenses when he bullies his way to the rim and his playmaking allows Brunson to play off ball more.

About Kolek, I can't wait for him to match up against TJ McConnell.


Both Brunson and Randle play bully ball which collapses defenses and frees up teammates. This ability generates plenty of assist opportunities for both men who are capable passers, though in no way is Randle a facilitator. Brunson is modestly skilled at distribution to be fair, but he can dime in other scenarios when he puts his mind to it.

I do think Brunson is excellent at making reads and deciphering defenses, but because he is through and through a shoot first guard his passing skills will always take a backseat to his prime directive which is to create scoring opportunities for himself.

What Kolek does is a different skill set if he can execute at the same level in the NBA. Kolek is as pure a PG in the classical floor general mode as we've had a chance to see in a Knicks uniform in possibly decades. That's not hyperbole to say he's the greatest since I don't know how well he will do. It is simply the truth the Knicks have had very few elite distributors for decades now.

When the best distributors to play for us in the past three decades are Duhon, Felton and Marbury it is a low bar to clear. After Ward and Childs, then Jackson, Strickland and and Micheal Ray Richardson.

In the history of the Knicks there are not that many pure PGs who were elite floor generals. Clyde is the gold standard. There is a drop-off after him with Richardson being the most talented PG in Knicks history followed by Rod Strickland (whom we foolishly traded). Jackson was a good floor general with strength and a post-up game.

I'm not counting Pablo or Kidd since they were sunsetting their careers on the Knicks.

My point is if Kolek is very good or better, it will be a very rare thing to see a pure PG in a Knicks uniform. I'm pretty excited to see what he can do. Fingers crossed.
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Re: Knicks Summer-league Thread July 12-22 at UNLV 

Post#240 » by 2010 » Sat Jul 13, 2024 9:47 pm

Kolek is the truth. He is doing his thing in SL and making some slick passes. Just a real floor general who sets everyone up.
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