Trades and Transactions thread cont - we still need a center

[mpharris36]

why do you assume that. Will Hardy is an offensive coach that wants to play 5 out.

utah jazz defensive rating with walker kessler 119.0, utah jazz defensive rating without walker kessler 120.8.

sorry, he improves their defense very slightly. he's not that guy

mpharris tryna convince everyone his boy Kessler is elite

He's using statmuse defensive rating which isn't correct. So actually ghetto is pushing the false narrative...sad to see. You know who statmuse had at the 3rd best defensive rating in the NBA last year? Jokic Nurkic and KAT were also in Statmuse top 10 defensive ratings. So much miss information. Terrible people!!!



The Jazz were actually 3.1 pts per possession better on defense with Kessler on the court rather than off.

And I am realistic about Kessler he won't really help the offense much outside of offensive rebounds. But we also know he will protect the paint which he was ranked basically at the top of most rim protection stats.

[DaGawd]

Find an unheralded guy to be your Kessler. The good teams find diamonds in the rough all the time.

And before anyone says it, Sims is not that guy.

it’s finna be hukporti

[aggo]

Go get darko milicic

[Knick4Real]

Read on Twitter

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Lol

2 first for Kessler???

Ainge is drunk!

[Jalen Bluntson]

Mitch needs to stay healthy no matter who we bring in. As much as I like Hukporti I have a hard time seeing the 58th pick being an impact player this year if ever. Precious is another question mark but, he's better than nothing. Speaking of nothing, Sims is penciled in as the backup right now. Ugh. Shart really ruined the vibes this summer.

[Guano]

mpharris tryna convince everyone his boy Kessler is elite

Lusting over a mid C.

Who does mp think he is copying your whole fcking flow.

hey, you’re supposed to be on my side here mf

You can count on me.

Spoiler:

[Ghetto Gospel]

utah jazz defensive rating with walker kessler 119.0, utah jazz defensive rating without walker kessler 120.8.

sorry, he improves their defense very slightly. he's not that guy

mpharris tryna convince everyone his boy Kessler is elite

He's using statmuse defensive rating which isn't correct. So actually ghetto is pushing the false narrative...sad to see. You know who statmuse had at the 3rd best defensive rating in the NBA last year? Jokic Nurkic and KAT were also in Statmuse top 10 defensive ratings. So much miss information. Terrible people!!!



The Jazz were actually 3.1 pts per possession better on defense with Kessler on the court rather than off.

And I am realistic about Kessler he won't really help the offense much outside of offensive rebounds. But we also know he will protect the paint which he was ranked basically at the top of most rim protection stats.

jokic has insane defensive metrics on all advanced stats though.

so walker kessler is 3.1 pts per possession better on defense than trash ass no defense playing john collins while he gets to play against backups. perfect

[sol537]

Kessler for Duece straight up

or

Kessler for WAS 1st, DET 1st, Future 2nd

Otherwise, Ainge could kick rocks and we'll keep on truckin' along. I think the CAA connections may come into play here with Kessler and if Hardy isn't willing to commit to 24+ minutes of Kessler playing, then they'll pressure Ainge to send him somewhere else.

Lauri is going to be traded after his extension is agreed to IMO. GSW looks like the destination. Messing up the tank this season is no longer an option.

[mpharris36]

mpharris tryna convince everyone his boy Kessler is elite

He's using statmuse defensive rating which isn't correct. So actually ghetto is pushing the false narrative...sad to see. You know who statmuse had at the 3rd best defensive rating in the NBA last year? Jokic Nurkic and KAT were also in Statmuse top 10 defensive ratings. So much miss information. Terrible people!!!



The Jazz were actually 3.1 pts per possession better on defense with Kessler on the court rather than off.

And I am realistic about Kessler he won't really help the offense much outside of offensive rebounds. But we also know he will protect the paint which he was ranked basically at the top of most rim protection stats.

jokic has insane defensive metrics on all advanced stats though.

so walker kessler is 3.1 pts per possession better on defense than trash ass no defense playing john collins while he gets to play against backups. perfect

Jokic still doesn't have the 3rd highest defensive rating in the NBA and neither does Nurkic have the 4th. I was just calling at statmuse as a viable defensive rating argument. NBA.com has the reliable metrics.

And yes Jokic has great metrics all around but still he isn't the 3rd lowest defensive rating in the NBA.

It also has Sengun and Luka in the top 25. I have no idea how they calc what they calc but its obviously wrong.

Utah was also 4.1 pts per possession better on defense in Kessler rookie year.

So I'm just getting at he's an impactful defender. You can hate on him that he's a rim runner and I wouldn't want him guarding in space. But in terms of overall defensive impact and rim protection for what is out there that potentially is available there is not much better.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

Read on Twitter

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Lol

Ainge being Ainge. Forget about Kessler as far as the Knicks go.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

Kessler for Duece straight up

or

Kessler for WAS 1st, DET 1st, Future 2nd

Otherwise, Ainge could kick rocks and we'll keep on truckin' along. I think the CAA connections may come into play here with Kessler and if Hardy isn't willing to commit to 24+ minutes of Kessler playing, then they'll pressure Ainge to send him somewhere else.

Lauri is going to be traded after his extension is agreed to IMO. GSW looks like the destination. Messing up the tank this season is no longer an option.

Doubt that Ainge accepts that. He wants draft capital that isn't protected.

[Ghetto Gospel]

He's using statmuse defensive rating which isn't correct. So actually ghetto is pushing the false narrative...sad to see. You know who statmuse had at the 3rd best defensive rating in the NBA last year? Jokic Nurkic and KAT were also in Statmuse top 10 defensive ratings. So much miss information. Terrible people!!!



The Jazz were actually 3.1 pts per possession better on defense with Kessler on the court rather than off.

And I am realistic about Kessler he won't really help the offense much outside of offensive rebounds. But we also know he will protect the paint which he was ranked basically at the top of most rim protection stats.

jokic has insane defensive metrics on all advanced stats though.

so walker kessler is 3.1 pts per possession better on defense than trash ass no defense playing john collins while he gets to play against backups. perfect

Jokic still doesn't have the 3rd highest defensive rating in the NBA and neither does Nurkic have the 4th. I was just calling at statmuse as a viable defensive rating argument. NBA.com has the reliable metrics.

And yes Jokic has great metrics all around but still he isn't the 3rd lowest defensive rating in the NBA.

It also has Sengun and Luka in the top 25. I have no idea how they calc what they calc but its obviously wrong.

Utah was also 4.1 pts per possession better on defense in Kessler rookie year.

So I'm just getting at he's an impactful defender. You can hate on him that he's a rim runner and I wouldn't want him guarding in space. But in terms of overall defensive impact and rim protection for what is out there that potentially is available there is not much better.

disagree on impactful defender. there are plenty of guys that impact the game on the defense end in a more significant way than walker kessler. he's just a slight positive out there on defense.

yes, when he's at the rim and already in position with someone barreling into him he can be very effective but defense is about so much more than that as evidenced by other defensive metrics as well like depm and drapm

[DaGawd]

Kessler for Duece straight up

or

Kessler for WAS 1st, DET 1st, Future 2nd

Otherwise, Ainge could kick rocks and we'll keep on truckin' along. I think the CAA connections may come into play here with Kessler and if Hardy isn't willing to commit to 24+ minutes of Kessler playing, then they'll pressure Ainge to send him somewhere else.

Lauri is going to be traded after his extension is agreed to IMO. GSW looks like the destination. Messing up the tank this season is no longer an option.

Doubt that Ainge accepts that. He wants draft capital that isn't protected.

this there’s talk that lauri trade talks have died down because teams are skeptical jazz are really trying to trade him… probably because teams are emptying the kitchen sink and ainge is still turning them down… **** that dude

[BKlutch]

Find an unheralded guy to be your Kessler. The good teams find diamonds in the rough all the time.

And before anyone says it, Sims is not that guy.

it’s finna be hukporti

He was signed to a 2-way contract. Doesn't sound like he's our #2 center.

[mpharris36]

jokic has insane defensive metrics on all advanced stats though.

so walker kessler is 3.1 pts per possession better on defense than trash ass no defense playing john collins while he gets to play against backups. perfect

Jokic still doesn't have the 3rd highest defensive rating in the NBA and neither does Nurkic have the 4th. I was just calling at statmuse as a viable defensive rating argument. NBA.com has the reliable metrics.

And yes Jokic has great metrics all around but still he isn't the 3rd lowest defensive rating in the NBA.

It also has Sengun and Luka in the top 25. I have no idea how they calc what they calc but its obviously wrong.

Utah was also 4.1 pts per possession better on defense in Kessler rookie year.

So I'm just getting at he's an impactful defender. You can hate on him that he's a rim runner and I wouldn't want him guarding in space. But in terms of overall defensive impact and rim protection for what is out there that potentially is available there is not much better.

disagree on impactful defender. there are plenty of guys that impact the game on the defense end in a more significant way than walker kessler. he's just a slight positive out there on defense.

yes, when he's at the rim and already in position with someone barreling into him he can be very effective but defense is about so much more than that as evidenced by other defensive metrics as well like depm and drapm

I just don't see how you can say he's not an impacful defender...that is where you lose me.



last year was 15th in DEF LEBRON (in what people consider a step back year from him of significant rotation players)



His rookie year he was 5th in the league in DEF LEBRON

call it whatever you want if you don't consider him an impactful defender you might want to recalibrate that position. Look at the names he is up there with...lets just be honest about this...

[HopelessKnick]

I highly doubt any team would offer 2 unprotected FRPs for Kessler....I mean essentially the two FRPs we can offer are ultimately only top 10 protected for 2025/2026/2027.....I would call that "lightly" protected....I don't think any team would realistically offer FRPs that have much less than that as protection in a trade for Kessler.....Let's be realistic here....Ainge seriously trying to get more than that for a backup C that the Jazz have cooled on and that reportedly does not even want to stay in Utah?
Even in the case that neither pick conveys, which essentially means Detroit and Washington are pretty bad....the Jazz would have received 3 2nd round picks in the 30-37 range which seem to be pretty valuable around the league nowadays....IMO 3 2nd rounder in that range are still a solid deal for Kessler at this stage....but in case either pick conveys it will be a mid first round pick which would be pretty much a steal for Utah, especially considering the two upcoming drafts are supposed to be pretty deep....


Anyways, I'm not worried at all....with those picks we can definitely get a good 20minute backup Center...if not now, then at the deadline with some other team....

edit: It would be so fun if the Jazz start the season out winning games so their own pick falls out of the top 10....I know highly unlikely but it would be funny as hell....

[Ghetto Gospel]

Jokic still doesn't have the 3rd highest defensive rating in the NBA and neither does Nurkic have the 4th. I was just calling at statmuse as a viable defensive rating argument. NBA.com has the reliable metrics.

And yes Jokic has great metrics all around but still he isn't the 3rd lowest defensive rating in the NBA.

It also has Sengun and Luka in the top 25. I have no idea how they calc what they calc but its obviously wrong.

Utah was also 4.1 pts per possession better on defense in Kessler rookie year.

So I'm just getting at he's an impactful defender. You can hate on him that he's a rim runner and I wouldn't want him guarding in space. But in terms of overall defensive impact and rim protection for what is out there that potentially is available there is not much better.

disagree on impactful defender. there are plenty of guys that impact the game on the defense end in a more significant way than walker kessler. he's just a slight positive out there on defense.

yes, when he's at the rim and already in position with someone barreling into him he can be very effective but defense is about so much more than that as evidenced by other defensive metrics as well like depm and drapm

I just don't see how you can say he's not an impacful defender...that is where you lose me.



last year was 15th in DEF LEBRON (in what people consider a step back year from him of significant rotation players)



His rookie year he was 5th in the league in DEF LEBRON

call it whatever you want if you don't consider him an impactful defender you might want to recalibrate that position. Look at the names he is up there with...lets just be honest about this...

i'm not an analytics expert. i just googled which the best advanced stat for defensive impact were and it seems DEPM and DRAPM were the consensus. i suppose if you want to use a sort of all-in-one that combined a variety of defensive metrics, the below would have him roughly average among C's, if you filter out the small sample size barely played players

[Jalen Bluntson]

Find an unheralded guy to be your Kessler. The good teams find diamonds in the rough all the time.

And before anyone says it, Sims is not that guy.

it’s finna be hukporti

He was signed to a 2-way contract. Doesn't sound like he's our #2 center.

I'm over Kessler and I hope the league turns their back on Ainge and let him run his anti tank team into a wall. Every year this dude has unreal demands and plays all sorts of games.

[WargamesX]

Ainge just seems like a horrible person to play monopoly with.

[robillionaire]

I would still get Kessler if the price is fair.