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OT: Clinton or Bush?

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Harris
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29%
Trump
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RFK
3
11%
The Rock
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4%
Mark Cuban
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Michelle Obama
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14%
Ron Desantis
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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#221 » by spree8 » Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:17 pm

Capn'O wrote:If that motherfcker is a CIA asset I'd hate to see their liabilities.

If there's any conspiracy going on with these jabronis it's one that is designed to make people view him in a better light. Because, again, if the US government tried to kill Trump they would have easily succeeded.



Would you trust the worlds best sniper (let alone a kid with glasses) to clip your ear (as you're turning your head) at 100 yards for a great photo op tho? I dunno bout that one..

This time around? Sure, anything is possible, but we don't know anything really yet...
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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#222 » by Capn'O » Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:23 pm

spree8 wrote:
Capn'O wrote:If that motherfcker is a CIA asset I'd hate to see their liabilities.

If there's any conspiracy going on with these jabronis it's one that is designed to make people view him in a better light. Because, again, if the US government tried to kill Trump they would have easily succeeded.



Would you trust the worlds best sniper (let alone a kid with glasses) to clip your ear (as you're turning your head) at 100 yards for a great photo op tho? I dunno bout that one..

This time around? Sure, anything is possible, but we don't know anything really yet...


Regarding the first guy - I think he was a jabroni so no.
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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#223 » by j4remi » Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:25 pm

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But there's been groundwork to lead to a "Trump" leading the party for decades. The Brooks Brothers Riot was straight up election interference. People who questioned Dubya's decision to invade Iraq were threatened and shunned. Trump's birther conspiracies started while Obama was president, and during Obama's presidency DHS was already warning about the growth and threat of rightwing white supremacist militias.

I agree that Trump's a unique figure in American politics so far. But I'd argue that the Republicans were headed in the direction of a Trump for a very long time (arguably starting right at the Southern Switch).


I get what you’re saying but there’s a significant difference when the President is directing and co-signing all of this. I don’t think that after 8 years of a Jeb Bush Presidency that America would be close to falling as a Democracy than after 4 years of Trump. Again you could be right that this was inevitable but I have a hard time believing that Jeb Bush tries to get his VP killed because he didn’t overturn an election


I think a core point of debate here would be that the Brook's Brothers Riot and Dubya being gifted the presidency without completing the recount was already a violation of democracy.

I think the abuse of blue slips during the Obama presidency to leave judge openings for Trump to mass-fill was a violation of democracy as well. Refusing to confirm Merrick Garland (whom I can't stand) was a violation of democratic norms as well.

Which is to say, our democracy has been rotting for a very long time. Trump just made it clear for everyone, when the signs have been there from Newt Gingrich to Antonin Scalia and Citizen's United; from Dubya Bush being president after an election he rightfully should have lost to Mike Johnson, Jim Jordan, MTG, and Lauren Boebert all being on career tracks to be figures in the modern Republican party.

Or to put it concisely. Sure, "Not Trump" wouldn't be pushing to ignore election results. But the Republican party would still deploy most of Trump's strategies, just in less obvious ways. Voter suppression, courting white supremacists, completely blocking any legislative progress, and crafting a radical Judicial branch have been Republican strategies since before most of us were born.
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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#224 » by Stannis » Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:52 pm

JPow does a 50 bps rate cut . Lot of people were betting on 25

Trump and his supporters probably: "They did a big rate cut to help Harris get elected".

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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#225 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:57 pm

Capn'O wrote:If that motherfcker is a CIA asset I'd hate to see their liabilities.

If there's any conspiracy going on with these jabronis it's one that is designed to make people view him in a better light. Because, again, if the US government tried to kill Trump they would have easily succeeded.


The one thing we know for sure that our government can do is kill. Efficiently. Quickly.

I feel like I'm reading fan fiction at times with these conspiracy theories. Ain't no one spending tax dollars to hire 4chan incels to kill a 79 year old fool who is a KFC 3 piece away from the grave.

If the CIA wants Trump gone, they could do it tonight in his sleep and no one would be any wiser.
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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#226 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:58 pm

Stannis wrote:JPow does a 50 bps rate cut . Lot of people were betting on 25

Trump and his supporters probably: "They did a big rate cut to help Harris get elected".

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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#227 » by Fairview4Life » Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:59 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
Capn'O wrote:If that motherfcker is a CIA asset I'd hate to see their liabilities.

If there's any conspiracy going on with these jabronis it's one that is designed to make people view him in a better light. Because, again, if the US government tried to kill Trump they would have easily succeeded.


The one thing we know for sure that our government can do is kill. Efficiently. Quickly.

I feel like I'm reading fan fiction at times with these conspiracy theories. Ain't no one spending tax dollars to hire 4chan incels to kill a 79 year old fool who is a KFC 3 piece away from the grave.

If the CIA wants Trump gone, they could do it tonight in his sleep and no one would be any wiser.


The CIA is only competent in movies. They have an extensive history of **** ups and failures.
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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#228 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Sep 18, 2024 9:03 pm

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Pointgod wrote:
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But there's been groundwork to lead to a "Trump" leading the party for decades. The Brooks Brothers Riot was straight up election interference. People who questioned Dubya's decision to invade Iraq were threatened and shunned. Trump's birther conspiracies started while Obama was president, and during Obama's presidency DHS was already warning about the growth and threat of rightwing white supremacist militias.

I agree that Trump's a unique figure in American politics so far. But I'd argue that the Republicans were headed in the direction of a Trump for a very long time (arguably starting right at the Southern Switch).


I get what you’re saying but there’s a significant difference when the President is directing and co-signing all of this. I don’t think that after 8 years of a Jeb Bush Presidency that America would be close to falling as a Democracy than after 4 years of Trump. Again you could be right that this was inevitable but I have a hard time believing that Jeb Bush tries to get his VP killed because he didn’t overturn an election


I think a core point of debate here would be that the Brook's Brothers Riot and Dubya being gifted the presidency without completing the recount was already a violation of democracy.

I think the abuse of blue slips during the Obama presidency to leave judge openings for Trump to mass-fill was a violation of democracy as well. Refusing to confirm Merrick Garland (whom I can't stand) was a violation of democratic norms as well.

Which is to say, our democracy has been rotting for a very long time. Trump just made it clear for everyone, when the signs have been there from Newt Gingrich to Antonin Scalia and Citizen's United; from Dubya Bush being president after an election he rightfully should have lost to Mike Johnson, Jim Jordan, MTG, and Lauren Boebert all being on career tracks to be figures in the modern Republican party.

Or to put it concisely. Sure, "Not Trump" wouldn't be pushing to ignore election results. But the Republican party would still deploy most of Trump's strategies, just in less obvious ways. Voter suppression, courting white supremacists, completely blocking any legislative progress, and crafting a radical Judicial branch have been Republican strategies since before most of us were born.


Mitch McConnell literally broke Congress.

What was that Mark Twain quote about reading someone's obituary? That definitely applies here.
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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#229 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Sep 18, 2024 9:07 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:
Capn'O wrote:If that motherfcker is a CIA asset I'd hate to see their liabilities.

If there's any conspiracy going on with these jabronis it's one that is designed to make people view him in a better light. Because, again, if the US government tried to kill Trump they would have easily succeeded.


The one thing we know for sure that our government can do is kill. Efficiently. Quickly.

I feel like I'm reading fan fiction at times with these conspiracy theories. Ain't no one spending tax dollars to hire 4chan incels to kill a 79 year old fool who is a KFC 3 piece away from the grave.

If the CIA wants Trump gone, they could do it tonight in his sleep and no one would be any wiser.


The CIA is only competent in movies. They have an extensive history of **** ups and failures.


Oh for sure. Bay of Pigs comes immediately to mind. That doesn't mean that they're wildly incompetent either though.

But killing this....slob would be low hanging fruit for them. Like a lay up.

Even the day he got shot, his dumb ass forced himself up to raise his fist for a photo op instead of laying low. If they wanted to split that disgusting melon of his, they would :lol:
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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#230 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Sep 18, 2024 9:09 pm

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HarthorneWingo wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
These losers practice their shooting in Call of Duty lobbies and end up realizing that bullets don't work that way in real life.

They also find out that they can't respawn once they got shot by people who know how to use a firearm. Let me tell you from experience, bullets burn like hellfire once they make contact and your only thoughts at that point is whether or not this is the end


Okay. I completely believe you. But now I have to hear more about this you badass.


Eh, nothing glamorous at all.

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Men are emotionally fragile creatures that cannot be trusted, which is why I am eager to vote for Kamala Harris.


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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#231 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Sep 18, 2024 9:09 pm

DOT wrote:I hope Trump lives a long life and continues to run and lose until the day he dies

Dude could single-handedly destroy the Republican Party for decades, I'm seriously rooting for him here. His heart has to be the hardest-working organ in America right now, that thing is a champ.


Word.

I want him to face defeat at the hands of a Black woman, and then I want him to be imprisoned for his numerous crimes.

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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#232 » by Stannis » Wed Sep 18, 2024 9:14 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
Stannis wrote:JPow does a 50 bps rate cut . Lot of people were betting on 25

Trump and his supporters probably: "They did a big rate cut to help Harris get elected".

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Wall Street Bets lost their minds this afternoon over this :lol: literally what you said


Man... I haven't went on their in ages. I see they are still some miserable fvks. Never seen so many people wanting the US economy to completely crash.
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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#233 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Sep 18, 2024 9:28 pm

Stannis wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
Stannis wrote:JPow does a 50 bps rate cut . Lot of people were betting on 25

Trump and his supporters probably: "They did a big rate cut to help Harris get elected".

Read on Twitter


Wall Street Bets lost their minds this afternoon over this :lol: literally what you said


Man... I haven't went on their in ages. I see they are still some miserable fvks. Never seen so many people wanting the US economy to completely crash.


Oh I hate that place. I just like to read the loss porn and marvel at how dumb those dudes are. Dudes pour money into options plays that have no chance of hitting and then cry and complain when they lose thousands. :crazy:

People who want the economy to crash have nothing to lose. They're idiots.
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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#234 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Sep 18, 2024 9:29 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Okay. I completely believe you. But now I have to hear more about this you badass.


Eh, nothing glamorous at all.

Spoiler:
Back when I lived in my old hometown I was leaving a BBQ when some ass hole sped around the corner and started shooting at everyone. Wrong place, wrong time, it wasn't meant for me but someone at the party who was f*cking some girl that was, for lack of a better word, communal, and the shooter couldn't handle it. I got hit once in the upper back/shoulder area. I got very, very lucky. I can still remember the burning sensation, it felt like someone was stabbing me with a hot knife. To this day I'm always keeping an eye out anytime someone drives around the corner, but less so now that I live in a nicer area. PTSD is fun.


Men are emotionally fragile creatures that cannot be trusted, which is why I am eager to vote for Kamala Harris.


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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#235 » by spree8 » Wed Sep 18, 2024 9:56 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
Capn'O wrote:If that motherfcker is a CIA asset I'd hate to see their liabilities.

If there's any conspiracy going on with these jabronis it's one that is designed to make people view him in a better light. Because, again, if the US government tried to kill Trump they would have easily succeeded.


The one thing we know for sure that our government can do is kill. Efficiently. Quickly.

I feel like I'm reading fan fiction at times with these conspiracy theories. Ain't no one spending tax dollars to hire 4chan incels to kill a 79 year old fool who is a KFC 3 piece away from the grave.

If the CIA wants Trump gone, they could do it tonight in his sleep and no one would be any wiser.



I don't think it's that easy. Nothing really can be known 100% either way, but there's a lot of things to consider.

One thing is that if nobody is caught for it, people will absolutely blame the gov. You can't have another JFK situation with 60+ years without knowing the truth. In this day n age with internet sleuths, camera phones, ring cameras, public cameras, etc, you have to be careful as to not have an assassin be caught and traced back. Didn't this latest guy get busted by a citizen who followed him and took a pic of his plate because he looked suspicious?

That being said, you need a patsy to take the wrap. So you need an Oswald, but you can't risk him talking either, and you can't have another Jack Ruby. Best way to avoid that is to have him be taken out by secret service.

So to avoid having a real assassin or shooter or their location (like on the Zapruder film) being caught on film again and traced back, maybe they just put their faith on the kid to be able to pull off a relatively simple shot after training for enough time (which he was doing).

We can't forget that he basically did pull it off... like, we saw that head turn at that split nano second that saved Trump's life... call it what you will, but that dude was done for until that happened.

Not to mention, the amount of people willing to take on that kind of mission can't be much, its a one way trip, unless you're gullible enough to believe lies that you'll be taken care of and helped out afterwards...like a young kid would. I don't see many professionals willing to take that job knowing it's a one way trip.

Either that or he was just a loner who wanted to go out with a bang. Who knows, but if I'm CIA, I'd think that'd be a pretty good plan all things considered. Nothing comes back on the agency... unless independent companies conduct their own research like the one that allegedly found cell phone pings between the kids house and an FBI office in DC :uhoh:
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Post#236 » by Pointgod » Wed Sep 18, 2024 10:48 pm

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Post#237 » by omerome » Wed Sep 18, 2024 11:13 pm

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They literally got bailed out by the administration she's a part of. And the GOP has done, what to help them or address their issues. So what exactly do they want then?
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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#238 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Sep 18, 2024 11:22 pm

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They literally got bailed out by the administration she's a part of. And the GOP has done, what to help them or address their issues. So what exactly do they want then?


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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#239 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Sep 18, 2024 11:29 pm

spree8 wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
Capn'O wrote:If that motherfcker is a CIA asset I'd hate to see their liabilities.

If there's any conspiracy going on with these jabronis it's one that is designed to make people view him in a better light. Because, again, if the US government tried to kill Trump they would have easily succeeded.


The one thing we know for sure that our government can do is kill. Efficiently. Quickly.

I feel like I'm reading fan fiction at times with these conspiracy theories. Ain't no one spending tax dollars to hire 4chan incels to kill a 79 year old fool who is a KFC 3 piece away from the grave.

If the CIA wants Trump gone, they could do it tonight in his sleep and no one would be any wiser.



I don't think it's that easy. Nothing really can be known 100% either way, but there's a lot of things to consider.

One thing is that if nobody is caught for it, people will absolutely blame the gov. You can't have another JFK situation with 60+ years without knowing the truth. In this day n age with internet sleuths, camera phones, ring cameras, public cameras, etc, you have to be careful as to not have an assassin be caught and traced back. Didn't this latest guy get busted by a citizen who followed him and took a pic of his plate because he looked suspicious?

That being said, you need a patsy to take the wrap. So you need an Oswald, but you can't risk him talking either, and you can't have another Jack Ruby. Best way to avoid that is to have him be taken out by secret service.

So to avoid having a real assassin or shooter or their location (like on the Zapruder film) being caught on film again and traced back, maybe they just put their faith on the kid to be able to pull off a relatively simple shot after training for enough time (which he was doing).

We can't forget that he basically did pull it off... like, we saw that head turn at that split nano second that saved Trump's life... call it what you will, but that dude was done for until that happened.

Not to mention, the amount of people willing to take on that kind of mission can't be much, its a one way trip, unless you're gullible enough to believe lies that you'll be taken care of and helped out afterwards...like a young kid would. I don't see many professionals willing to take that job knowing it's a one way trip.

Either that or he was just a loner who wanted to go out with a bang. Who knows, but if I'm CIA, I'd think that'd be a pretty good plan all things considered. Nothing comes back on the agency... unless independent companies conduct their own research like the one that allegedly found cell phone pings between the kids house and an FBI office in DC :uhoh:


I honestly don't think it's that deep.

That dumb kid should have been shot dead the moment he climbed up onto his vantage spot. The Secret Service detail that Trump has with him is full of morons. There were so many unforced errors that day you'd think they were trying to get the buffoon killed. But most likely, we can attribute this entire thing to incompetence and not malice.

Trump doesn't want capable, serious professionals around him, he wants stooges and loyalists. I would bet that his detail is full of MAGA true believers that are nowhere near the best the SS has to offer.

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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#240 » by Capn'O » Wed Sep 18, 2024 11:33 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
spree8 wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
The one thing we know for sure that our government can do is kill. Efficiently. Quickly.

I feel like I'm reading fan fiction at times with these conspiracy theories. Ain't no one spending tax dollars to hire 4chan incels to kill a 79 year old fool who is a KFC 3 piece away from the grave.

If the CIA wants Trump gone, they could do it tonight in his sleep and no one would be any wiser.



I don't think it's that easy. Nothing really can be known 100% either way, but there's a lot of things to consider.

One thing is that if nobody is caught for it, people will absolutely blame the gov. You can't have another JFK situation with 60+ years without knowing the truth. In this day n age with internet sleuths, camera phones, ring cameras, public cameras, etc, you have to be careful as to not have an assassin be caught and traced back. Didn't this latest guy get busted by a citizen who followed him and took a pic of his plate because he looked suspicious?

That being said, you need a patsy to take the wrap. So you need an Oswald, but you can't risk him talking either, and you can't have another Jack Ruby. Best way to avoid that is to have him be taken out by secret service.

So to avoid having a real assassin or shooter or their location (like on the Zapruder film) being caught on film again and traced back, maybe they just put their faith on the kid to be able to pull off a relatively simple shot after training for enough time (which he was doing).

We can't forget that he basically did pull it off... like, we saw that head turn at that split nano second that saved Trump's life... call it what you will, but that dude was done for until that happened.

Not to mention, the amount of people willing to take on that kind of mission can't be much, its a one way trip, unless you're gullible enough to believe lies that you'll be taken care of and helped out afterwards...like a young kid would. I don't see many professionals willing to take that job knowing it's a one way trip.

Either that or he was just a loner who wanted to go out with a bang. Who knows, but if I'm CIA, I'd think that'd be a pretty good plan all things considered. Nothing comes back on the agency... unless independent companies conduct their own research like the one that allegedly found cell phone pings between the kids house and an FBI office in DC :uhoh:


I honestly don't think it's that deep.

That dumb kid should have been shot dead the moment he climbed up onto his vantage spot. The Secret Service detail that Trump has with him is full of morons. There were so many unforced errors that day you'd think they were trying to get the buffoon killed. But most likely, we can attribute this entire thing to incompetence and not malice.

Trump doesn't want capable, serious professionals around him, he wants stooges and loyalists. I would bet that his detail is full of MAGA true believers that are nowhere near the best the SS has to offer.

If the US government wants you dead, you will be dead. There are no near misses.


What they certainly wouldn't do is say "damnit Jeff, we can't find anyone to take the mission... any of you know any jabronis?"
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