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Re: PG: Knicks vs Hornets: 12-5-24 

Post#221 » by spree2kawhi » Fri Dec 6, 2024 12:28 pm

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Tf?


Im just saying he playing mean/ tougher, no offense at all to bodega kat


Speaking of which, why did people call him soft? Is it because of the way he talked or his voice? I actually don’t see anything wrong at all, and dood plays tough on both ends of the floor

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Re: PG: Knicks vs Hornets: 12-5-24 

Post#222 » by prophet_of_rage » Fri Dec 6, 2024 12:39 pm

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spree8 wrote:Mitch gotta come back n show out so we can trade him for a wing Tom trusts


Stop trying to trade Money Mitch or I’ll punch yall in the throat I swear.



He’s a goner :nod:
Precious too. :(

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Re: PG: Knicks vs Hornets: 12-5-24 

Post#223 » by Spree2Houston » Fri Dec 6, 2024 12:47 pm

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This is Josh Hart
This is Josh Hart consistently putting up stats like this.
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The gravity of kat and Brunson to open up his game like this is something I wasn't expecting at all.

You 5 out freaks really were on it. Have 6'4" jHart running around like a mythical creature. Putting up wemby stats in the paint.


On the season he's averaging almost 14/10/6/2 on 60%/40%/88% and playing defense lol
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Hornets: 12-5-24 

Post#224 » by Jalen Bluntson » Fri Dec 6, 2024 1:10 pm

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Jalen Bluntson wrote:A 7 man rotation and Precious only played 12 minutes. This really is a bit insane for a game we led by 20 to start the 4th quarter. He cleared the bench with 2 minutes left. I cannot fathom being ok with this.


Precious gone get his minutes, especially in lineups with smaller bigs. We needed him, and he’s showing up just in a nick of time.


This is a culmination of everything Ive been hoping would happen over the last two years. 3 of the 5 guys I talked about the most are Knicks now and its coming together even better than I imagined. When Precious came in in the 3Q they went to a switch everything defense and shut the Hornets down 38-16.

The Hornets played hard but when we switched everything in the 3Q they couldn't do anything. Precious is going to help team defense in more ways than I thought.


Precious returning/healthy bench was something I have been waiting for all season. His fit next to KAT is going to be amazing. His fit next to Bridges/Hart/OG on defense looked insane immediately. Add Deuce to those four and teams are gonna have serious problems trying to score. Mitch entering the chat will make things even more difficult for teams to score. Then the defense can catch up to the offense and we start dominating teams on a nightly basis!!

People want to talk about trades and we haven't even seen the team fully healthy yet. Not even for one game. I think we have everything we need on the roster to get the job done right now. If Shamet(or another decent vet) can come back 100% we are stacked even deeper. Thibs will be confused with himself trying to find minutes for more than 7 players.

In a perfect world we make the playoffs with a healthy roster.
Brunson/Deuce/Kolek
Bridges/Payne/(McCullar)
Hart/Shamet/Pac
OG/Chewy/Sims
KAT/Mitch/Huk

I can see the desire for a trade to upgrade the backup 3 and a healthy Mitch replacement but, fully healthy we should be one of the toughest teams in the league as is. Thibs needs to consider the long term more than going all in for regular season wins. We know he won't but, hopefully at some point he has everyone available to make it easier for his thick skull to get the point.

I want to see this team fully healthy and, what is this McCullar kid all about. That's all I am looking forward to this season. IDGAF if we make any trades and, I fully trust the FO to solidify this roster as they see fit. I am starting to get those 90s vibes from this team. Where we are a constant playoff threat vying for a title. The two plus decades since then have been miserable. The 94/99 seasons seem like a dream until now. We were good once and we are good again. Finally! It's almost unbelievable it took 2 decades to get here.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Hornets: 12-5-24 

Post#225 » by Deeeez Knicks » Fri Dec 6, 2024 1:24 pm

Amazing how good KAT has been.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Hornets: 12-5-24 

Post#227 » by Buttah304 » Fri Dec 6, 2024 1:34 pm

Knicks +/- for the season:

OG +171
Mikal +153
Brunson +149
KAT +140
Hart +120

Bench Guard Duo:

McBride +98 & Payne +52
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Hornets: 12-5-24 

Post#228 » by Jalen Bluntson » Fri Dec 6, 2024 1:37 pm

Buttah304 wrote:Knicks +/- for the season:

OG +171
Mikal +153
Brunson +149
KAT +140
Hart +120

Bench Guard Duo:

McBride +98 & Payne +52


Sims gets no love?
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Hornets: 12-5-24 

Post#229 » by Tukkerwolf » Fri Dec 6, 2024 1:51 pm

Context wrote:
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Context wrote:This was crazy!
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Fkn monster!

I know Antman is like why the **** did ya'll trade KAT! :lol:


Because of the 2nd Apron. It was either keeping KAT and lose all other players except Ant and Rudy, or trade KAT. Last year it was already clear that KAT had to go before the end of this season.

Great to see the love KAT is getting here though. Wolves fans on the GB were mocked for defending him at times likes these:
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Or when tweets like these were put out by the Wolves-teams:
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Also kinda misleading to read that some Knicks-fans think that any Wolves-FO or fan though Randle would be an upgrade over KAT. It was a cost-cutting trade, clear as day.

Anyway, I'm rooting for you guys to win the East.
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Post#230 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Dec 6, 2024 1:53 pm

Reign23 wrote:nice win, but does thibs like to prove something with bridges? this moron really has to be stopped.


Everything is hunky dory now, but the wave of anger towards Thibs if guys start dropping like flies will be unprecedented. This is such a good roster that you have to rest it at least a little to keep it intact for the playoffs. Anything less is unacceptable. Thibs is getting a pass by some for now, but that won't last at this rate. He's fubar.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Hornets: 12-5-24 

Post#231 » by SelbyCobra » Fri Dec 6, 2024 1:57 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:I know the Knicks are last in pace, stats don't lie etc.

I think that the stat is overinflated too.

I get the Knicks are leading the league in ppg scored because they are shooting a very high % from 3 and the FT line, that their offense is very efficient. But the pace can't be that REALISTICALLY slow if they are scoring this much.

It's talked about like Pistons era Chuck Daly, Knicks era Pat Riley, or Cavs era Fratello are coaching and the Knicks are constantly running 18 seconds off the shot clock, then getting into their play.

Sure, it's the slowest, but we are taking about seconds of difference. Like the Knicks lead the league in scoring but I bet 3 points separates 15 teams. And I get it matters, but the Knicks push the ball off misses enough, they opportunistically fast break.

The Knicks also don't just fly up and down the court and jack up ill advised 3s where their defense is completely unbalanced if there is a miss.

Sure, the Knicks pace is "slow", but it's not that slow. And they mostly disciplined.
I'd rather they play this way then what I've seen other teams play.
Ok, maybe they could push the pace more. But not that much.


Just a quick point of correction - the Knicks do not lead the league in points scored per game, they're actually 6th with 118.3 ppg. The offensive stat they lead the league in is Offensive Rating, which actually removes Pace as a factor in the evaluation of team scoring, and normalizes each teams production across a standard 100 possessions.

So the Knicks are the best in the league at what they get out of each possession, but they do not lead the league in actual scoring (CLE does with 122 ppg), because they play at one of the slower paces.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Hornets: 12-5-24 

Post#232 » by Jalen Bluntson » Fri Dec 6, 2024 2:04 pm

Tukkerwolf wrote:
Context wrote:
HighRyzer83 wrote:Fkn monster!

I know Antman is like why the **** did ya'll trade KAT! :lol:


Because of the 2nd Apron. It was either keeping KAT and lose all other players except Ant and Rudy, or trade KAT. Last year it was already clear that KAT had to go before the end of this season.

Great to see the love KAT is getting here though. Wolves fans on the GB were mocked for defending him at times likes these:
Read on Twitter

Or when tweets like these were put out by the Wolves-teams:
Read on Twitter


Also kinda misleading to read that some Knicks-fans think that any Wolves-FO or fan though Randle would be an upgrade over KAT. It was a cost-cutting trade, clear as day.

Anyway, I'm rooting for you guys to win the East.


They could have dumped Gobert/other players though. They took the wrong path to cut costs IMO. I can't speak to what was available to them but, this trade hurts championship hopes just to save potential money in the future. What are they gonna do moving forward? You can't replace what KAT brings with Randle and he's due an extension soon. DDV was great for us as a starter but, his value as a bench player his whole career was not that high. I fail to see what Minnesota does moving forward to make sense of this trade. Not saying they can't figure something out but, Ant/KAT makes more sense to me than Ant/Gobert to build around.

Good luck moving forward but, I think this trade will hurt more than help you guys in the long run. If Ant man gets frustrated and wants to leave........
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Hornets: 12-5-24 

Post#233 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Dec 6, 2024 2:05 pm

SelbyCobra wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:I know the Knicks are last in pace, stats don't lie etc.

I think that the stat is overinflated too.

I get the Knicks are leading the league in ppg scored because they are shooting a very high % from 3 and the FT line, that their offense is very efficient. But the pace can't be that REALISTICALLY slow if they are scoring this much.

It's talked about like Pistons era Chuck Daly, Knicks era Pat Riley, or Cavs era Fratello are coaching and the Knicks are constantly running 18 seconds off the shot clock, then getting into their play.

Sure, it's the slowest, but we are taking about seconds of difference. Like the Knicks lead the league in scoring but I bet 3 points separates 15 teams. And I get it matters, but the Knicks push the ball off misses enough, they opportunistically fast break.

The Knicks also don't just fly up and down the court and jack up ill advised 3s where their defense is completely unbalanced if there is a miss.

Sure, the Knicks pace is "slow", but it's not that slow. And they mostly disciplined.
I'd rather they play this way then what I've seen other teams play.
Ok, maybe they could push the pace more. But not that much.


Just a quick point of correction - the Knicks do not lead the league in points scored per game, they're actually 6th with 118.3 ppg. The offensive stat they lead the league in is Offensive Rating, which actually removes Pace as a factor in the evaluation of team scoring, and normalizes each teams production across a standard 100 possessions.

So the Knicks are the best in the league at what they get out of each possession, but they do not lead the league in actual scoring (CLE does with 122 ppg), because they play at one of the slower paces.


Thanks. I keep forgetting there's like 6 offensive stats that indicate "best" offense.

While 4 points is a lot, it's not THAT much, either.

Also, pointed out by other posters (nodope?) that there's enough chip teams that wind up somewhere like 3rd in offense but top 10 defense, but it's not a #1 defense.

Knicks seem to be trending that way. I'm going to guess their defense is around 16th after that game.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Hornets: 12-5-24 

Post#234 » by Gant » Fri Dec 6, 2024 2:07 pm

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The Minutes Police are just whistling by the graveyard while looking at the Knicks box score tonight.

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Re: PG: Knicks vs Hornets: 12-5-24 

Post#235 » by Jalen Bluntson » Fri Dec 6, 2024 2:13 pm

Gant wrote:KeithSmithNBA‬

The Minutes Police are just whistling by the graveyard while looking at the Knicks box score tonight.

https://bsky.app/profile/keithsmithnba.bsky.social/post/3lcm7qk5wmc2l


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Re: PG: Knicks vs Hornets: 12-5-24 

Post#236 » by CharlesOakley » Fri Dec 6, 2024 2:17 pm

Pretty sure Ant will be asking out of Minny the way they handled KAT.
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Post#237 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Dec 6, 2024 2:19 pm

The missing piece. Possibly better than Trevor Keels.

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Post#238 » by Tukkerwolf » Fri Dec 6, 2024 2:22 pm

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They could have dumped Gobert/other players though. They took the wrong path to cut costs IMO. I can't speak to what was available to them but, this trade hurts championship hopes just to save potential money in the future. What are they gonna do moving forward? You can't replace what KAT brings with Randle and he's due an extension soon. DDV was great for us as a starter but, his value as a bench player his whole career was not that high. I fail to see what Minnesota does moving forward to make sense of this trade. Not saying they can't figure something out but, Ant/KAT makes more sense to me than Ant/Gobert to build around.

Good luck moving forward but, I think this trade will hurt more than help you guys in the long run. If Ant man gets frustrated and wants to leave........



I think there were a couple of reasons the FO didn't go with the path of keeping KAT and moving Gobert.
1. Keeping KAT hasn't brought us any success in past, because you need a very specific PF to accompany him in order to maximize his output and there have only been two instances in the last decade where we had that: KG's corpse and Taj Gibson. At PF KAT's defense is not as bad as at the C, but his offense at the 4 is severely limited. So trading Gobert and keeping KAT would be rerunning the team from three years ago and probably playoff troubles unless the team would be able to trade for a guy like OG, JJJ or Siakam.

2. Goberts return wouldn't haven been as good as KAT's and like I said, it should have brought back a very competent 4.

3. Trading Gobert by the same FO that brought him in would have meant to admitting they made some mistake. Paying 4 1st round picks and then trading him again for a lot less is not something a FO can sell easily.

Not trading KAT and going all in this year could have been an option, but I think the FO though that last year was the maximum that squad could achieve and running it back with the same guys would have not resulted in a Finals appearance, so pivoting was the least bad choice.
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Post#239 » by rajajackal » Fri Dec 6, 2024 2:24 pm

i smoked too much weed and fell asleep...but i was glad to see another blowout win and that my dream of JR smith being a garden attendee has come to fruition

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