PG: KNICKS vs Pelicans: Cap'n Carried Us!!!

[Fat Kat]

I'm not very thrilled with the spacing when Josh is in SL

He occupies Mikal's attacking spots... strictly offensively Josh and Mikal do not necessarily complement each other although they're both very unselfish.

Josh has been great, but imo we're A LOT better as a team when Mikal, not Josh, is the playmaker other than JB.

We're lucky it's the 5 win Pelicans because in 3rd q they must have realized they wanted Flagg more than the W, but against title contenders we'd fight from down in a hole to get back into the game every time when not 1 of JB or KAT is on fire, it's not sustainable.

Bring Josh off the bench, he can boost our bench production and he'll play starter 30+ mins anyway and end up playing with starters too.

Start Precious at 4, we get more size, we get more paint protection, and don't necessarily lose rebounding and scoring with Josh to the bench.

I've been saying although KAT has been a beast as a L leading rebounder, imo he doesn't necessarily love being the lone presence in the paint, and esp doesn't love being the last line of defense. He loves some help in rebounding to ease his load... and esp loves another big to help him defensively in the paint.

Currently the spacing and passing with Josh as a starter are imo inorganic, clunky, and not very spontaneous. Do this move (bench Josh and start Precious), the spacing and ball movement will be organic, synergistic and SPONATENOUS. We need it !!!

I think we're better off as a team with an aggressive Mikal doing 25pts, 8 assists every game he'll be a demon defensively when he gets going offensively... we need to set the tone at the start of the game.

Also, out of everyone on roster Josh is probably the guy who'd complain the least with a bench "demotion"... I bet he'd still get 10+rpg, I remember he got 19 rebounds off the bench against us when he was still with Portland. In fact, at beginning of this season as we were losing he even publicly suggested to bench himself.

Of course, our "brilliant bball mind" coach would not see this.... or would SEE it and still not do anything about it

We lose spacing, ball-handling, rebounding and fast break opportunities replacing Josh with Precious. Precious has not inspired any confidence so far. Thankfully this change has 0% chance of happening.

[Galvationknicks]

Total points scored in the year since Becky Hammon said Jalen Brunson is not a '1A Dude':

1. Jalen Brunson: 2,232
2. Giannis Antetokounmpo: 2,174
3. Anthony Edwards: 2,146
4. Luka Doncic: 2,098
5. Jayson Tatum: 2,040
6. Nikola Jokic: 1,995


Where has she been?

[JayTWill]

this is food for thought for some of the Knick family members that think our Orlando win didnt count because they didnt have their top guys:

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If the Knicks lost without KAT and Brunson you would not downplay the loss saying that we were missing our top guys?

[Fat Kat]

Total points scored in the year since Becky Hammon said Jalen Brunson is not a '1A Dude':

1. Jalen Brunson: 2,232
2. Giannis Antetokounmpo: 2,174
3. Anthony Edwards: 2,146
4. Luka Doncic: 2,098
5. Jayson Tatum: 2,040
6. Nikola Jokic: 1,995


Where has she been?

She been busy dealing with her discrimination lawsuit.

[Guano]

I'm not very thrilled with the spacing when Josh is in SL

He occupies Mikal's attacking spots... strictly offensively Josh and Mikal do not necessarily complement each other although they're both very unselfish.

Josh has been great, but imo we're A LOT better as a team when Mikal, not Josh, is the playmaker other than JB.

We're lucky it's the 5 win Pelicans because in 3rd q they must have realized they wanted Flagg more than the W, but against title contenders we'd fight from down in a hole to get back into the game every time when not 1 of JB or KAT is on fire, it's not sustainable.

Bring Josh off the bench, he can boost our bench production and he'll play starter 30+ mins anyway and end up playing with starters too.

Start Precious at 4, we get more size, we get more paint protection, and don't necessarily lose rebounding and scoring with Josh to the bench.

I've been saying although KAT has been a beast as a L leading rebounder, imo he doesn't necessarily love being the lone presence in the paint, and esp doesn't love being the last line of defense. He loves some help in rebounding to ease his load... and esp loves another big to help him defensively in the paint.

Currently the spacing and passing with Josh as a starter are imo inorganic, clunky, and not very spontaneous. Do this move (bench Josh and start Precious), the spacing and ball movement will be organic, synergistic and SPONATENOUS. We need it !!!

I think we're better off as a team with an aggressive Mikal doing 25pts, 8 assists every game he'll be a demon defensively when he gets going offensively... we need to set the tone at the start of the game.

Also, out of everyone on roster Josh is probably the guy who'd complain the least with a bench "demotion"... I bet he'd still get 10+rpg, I remember he got 19 rebounds off the bench against us when he was still with Portland. In fact, at beginning of this season as we were losing he even publicly suggested to bench himself.

Of course, our "brilliant bball mind" coach would not see this.... or would SEE it and still not do anything about it

We lose spacing, ball-handling, rebounding and fast break opportunities replacing Josh with Precious. Precious has not inspired any confidence so far. Thankfully this change has 0% chance of happening.

Same when thry talk about inserting mitch in the starting 5. Kills our offense for what a marginal improvement to our defense. It's not worth it.

[RHODEY]

I'm not very thrilled with the spacing when Josh is in SL

He occupies Mikal's attacking spots... strictly offensively Josh and Mikal do not necessarily complement each other although they're both very unselfish.

Josh has been great, but imo we're A LOT better as a team when Mikal, not Josh, is the playmaker other than JB.

We're lucky it's the 5 win Pelicans because in 3rd q they must have realized they wanted Flagg more than the W, but against title contenders we'd fight from down in a hole to get back into the game every time when not 1 of JB or KAT is on fire, it's not sustainable.

Bring Josh off the bench, he can boost our bench production and he'll play starter 30+ mins anyway and end up playing with starters too.

Start Precious at 4, we get more size, we get more paint protection, and don't necessarily lose rebounding and scoring with Josh to the bench.

I've been saying although KAT has been a beast as a L leading rebounder, imo he doesn't necessarily love being the lone presence in the paint, and esp doesn't love being the last line of defense. He loves some help in rebounding to ease his load... and esp loves another big to help him defensively in the paint.

Currently the spacing and passing with Josh as a starter are imo inorganic, clunky, and not very spontaneous. Do this move (bench Josh and start Precious), the spacing and ball movement will be organic, synergistic and SPONATENOUS. We need it !!!

I think we're better off as a team with an aggressive Mikal doing 25pts, 8 assists every game he'll be a demon defensively when he gets going offensively... we need to set the tone at the start of the game.

Also, out of everyone on roster Josh is probably the guy who'd complain the least with a bench "demotion"... I bet he'd still get 10+rpg, I remember he got 19 rebounds off the bench against us when he was still with Portland. In fact, at beginning of this season as we were losing he even publicly suggested to bench himself.

Of course, our "brilliant bball mind" coach would not see this.... or would SEE it and still not do anything about it

Although I agree, I think Thibs is gonna need a bigger sample size than just the Minny game to make a permanent switch. And honestly starting Precious might only be best situationally. I really like how it look versus Minny but many other teams dont play that sames tradition linueup. I guess we'll see but its great to know we have options.

[KnixinSix]

I'm not very thrilled with the spacing when Josh is in SL

He occupies Mikal's attacking spots... strictly offensively Josh and Mikal do not necessarily complement each other although they're both very unselfish.

Josh has been great, but imo we're A LOT better as a team when Mikal, not Josh, is the playmaker other than JB.

We're lucky it's the 5 win Pelicans because in 3rd q they must have realized they wanted Flagg more than the W, but against title contenders we'd fight from down in a hole to get back into the game every time when not 1 of JB or KAT is on fire, it's not sustainable.

Bring Josh off the bench, he can boost our bench production and he'll play starter 30+ mins anyway and end up playing with starters too.

Start Precious at 4, we get more size, we get more paint protection, and don't necessarily lose rebounding and scoring with Josh to the bench.

I've been saying although KAT has been a beast as a L leading rebounder, imo he doesn't necessarily love being the lone presence in the paint, and esp doesn't love being the last line of defense. He loves some help in rebounding to ease his load... and esp loves another big to help him defensively in the paint.

Currently the spacing and passing with Josh as a starter are imo inorganic, clunky, and not very spontaneous. Do this move (bench Josh and start Precious), the spacing and ball movement will be organic, synergistic and SPONATENOUS. We need it !!!

I think we're better off as a team with an aggressive Mikal doing 25pts, 8 assists every game he'll be a demon defensively when he gets going offensively... we need to set the tone at the start of the game.

Also, out of everyone on roster Josh is probably the guy who'd complain the least with a bench "demotion"... I bet he'd still get 10+rpg, I remember he got 19 rebounds off the bench against us when he was still with Portland. In fact, at beginning of this season as we were losing he even publicly suggested to bench himself.

Of course, our "brilliant bball mind" coach would not see this.... or would SEE it and still not do anything about it

We lose spacing, ball-handling, rebounding and fast break opportunities replacing Josh with Precious. Precious has not inspired any confidence so far. Thankfully this change has 0% chance of happening.

Same when thry talk about inserting mitch in the starting 5. Kills our offense for what a marginal improvement to our defense. It's not worth it.

You are downplaying the effect a guy who was getting mentions for DPOY last year and a perfect fit for Thibs defensive system would have on the defense.

Secondly he would only be playing the 5 part of the time not most of the time and more or less depending on ebb and flow of game and for strategic matchup advantage.

[KnixinSix]

I'm not very thrilled with the spacing when Josh is in SL

He occupies Mikal's attacking spots... strictly offensively Josh and Mikal do not necessarily complement each other although they're both very unselfish.

Josh has been great, but imo we're A LOT better as a team when Mikal, not Josh, is the playmaker other than JB.

We're lucky it's the 5 win Pelicans because in 3rd q they must have realized they wanted Flagg more than the W, but against title contenders we'd fight from down in a hole to get back into the game every time when not 1 of JB or KAT is on fire, it's not sustainable.

Bring Josh off the bench, he can boost our bench production and he'll play starter 30+ mins anyway and end up playing with starters too.

Start Precious at 4, we get more size, we get more paint protection, and don't necessarily lose rebounding and scoring with Josh to the bench.

I've been saying although KAT has been a beast as a L leading rebounder, imo he doesn't necessarily love being the lone presence in the paint, and esp doesn't love being the last line of defense. He loves some help in rebounding to ease his load... and esp loves another big to help him defensively in the paint.

Currently the spacing and passing with Josh as a starter are imo inorganic, clunky, and not very spontaneous. Do this move (bench Josh and start Precious), the spacing and ball movement will be organic, synergistic and SPONATENOUS. We need it !!!

I think we're better off as a team with an aggressive Mikal doing 25pts, 8 assists every game he'll be a demon defensively when he gets going offensively... we need to set the tone at the start of the game.

Also, out of everyone on roster Josh is probably the guy who'd complain the least with a bench "demotion"... I bet he'd still get 10+rpg, I remember he got 19 rebounds off the bench against us when he was still with Portland. In fact, at beginning of this season as we were losing he even publicly suggested to bench himself.

Of course, our "brilliant bball mind" coach would not see this.... or would SEE it and still not do anything about it

Im leaning towards this too. While I dont hate Hart in the starting lineup I kind him like him off the bench more.

[Guano]

We lose spacing, ball-handling, rebounding and fast break opportunities replacing Josh with Precious. Precious has not inspired any confidence so far. Thankfully this change has 0% chance of happening.

Same when thry talk about inserting mitch in the starting 5. Kills our offense for what a marginal improvement to our defense. It's not worth it.

You are downplaying the effect a guy who was getting mentions for DPOY last year and a perfect fit for Thibs defensive system would have on the defense.

Secondly he would only be playing the 5 part of the time not most of the time and more or less depending on ebb and flow of game and for strategic matchup advantage.

lol.
He played 31 games last year - no one outside of sham and mitchs family was mentioning him as dpoy. What is true is his blocks per game went down last year. Along with his foot speed. Cause he is breaking down.

Sure he could be useful if he miraculously is healthy depending on the match ups in the playoffs. And he is a massive upgrade over Sims. But it's more important that our wings stay healthy than upgrading the back up big.

[Besart19]

I'm not very thrilled with the spacing when Josh is in SL

He occupies Mikal's attacking spots... strictly offensively Josh and Mikal do not necessarily complement each other although they're both very unselfish.

Josh has been great, but imo we're A LOT better as a team when Mikal, not Josh, is the playmaker other than JB.

We're lucky it's the 5 win Pelicans because in 3rd q they must have realized they wanted Flagg more than the W, but against title contenders we'd fight from down in a hole to get back into the game every time when not 1 of JB or KAT is on fire, it's not sustainable.

Bring Josh off the bench, he can boost our bench production and he'll play starter 30+ mins anyway and end up playing with starters too.

Start Precious at 4, we get more size, we get more paint protection, and don't necessarily lose rebounding and scoring with Josh to the bench.

I've been saying although KAT has been a beast as a L leading rebounder, imo he doesn't necessarily love being the lone presence in the paint, and esp doesn't love being the last line of defense. He loves some help in rebounding to ease his load... and esp loves another big to help him defensively in the paint.

Currently the spacing and passing with Josh as a starter are imo inorganic, clunky, and not very spontaneous. Do this move (bench Josh and start Precious), the spacing and ball movement will be organic, synergistic and SPONATENOUS. We need it !!!

I think we're better off as a team with an aggressive Mikal doing 25pts, 8 assists every game he'll be a demon defensively when he gets going offensively... we need to set the tone at the start of the game.

Also, out of everyone on roster Josh is probably the guy who'd complain the least with a bench "demotion"... I bet he'd still get 10+rpg, I remember he got 19 rebounds off the bench against us when he was still with Portland. In fact, at beginning of this season as we were losing he even publicly suggested to bench himself.

Of course, our "brilliant bball mind" coach would not see this.... or would SEE it and still not do anything about it

We lose spacing, ball-handling, rebounding and fast break opportunities replacing Josh with Precious. Precious has not inspired any confidence so far. Thankfully this change has 0% chance of happening.

McBride should start

Brunson / Payne
McBride / Shamet
Bridges / Hart
Anunoby / Warren
Towns / Achiuwa / Sims

[CDAZ]

Knicks look to be escaping the mid orbit

Too soon

[CDAZ]

For December we're 4th in DRTG, we're 4th in Net rating for December as well and have jumped up to 13 DRTG for the season. Surprise surprise, the people who spent hundreds of posts saying we'd be a bottom 5 defensive team are nowhere to be found. KAT is down to 59% DFG in rim protection for the month, he's now down to 66% on the season as well and of course people have stopped harping on that aspect of his game

They stopped harping on it cause they stopped posting.

meLo get your @ss back in here. We got rim protection!

Team Villain went out sadder than sad, I always said true villains don't need to tell you they're villainous. The rim protection stuff was always going to shake out like this, KAT was bad at the start of the season while getting reacclimated to playing C, but there was nowhere to go but up from where he was at. The last 10 games he's at 59.4% DFG, and -3.6 diff, which means he's holding guys below their expected FG%. I don't know why you'd make that the backbone of your slander campaign of a player, especially when the numbers were so bad they could only improve.


And just for reference, IHart is at 60.6% DFG for the season.

What are our offensive rebounds looking like? I've been away on vacation and miss the last few games.

[thebuzzardman]

Total points scored in the year since Becky Hammon said Jalen Brunson is not a '1A Dude':

1. Jalen Brunson: 2,232
2. Giannis Antetokounmpo: 2,174
3. Anthony Edwards: 2,146
4. Luka Doncic: 2,098
5. Jayson Tatum: 2,040
6. Nikola Jokic: 1,995


Where has she been?

[GettinitDone]

I'm not very thrilled with the spacing when Josh is in SL

He occupies Mikal's attacking spots... strictly offensively Josh and Mikal do not necessarily complement each other although they're both very unselfish.

Josh has been great, but imo we're A LOT better as a team when Mikal, not Josh, is the playmaker other than JB.

We're lucky it's the 5 win Pelicans because in 3rd q they must have realized they wanted Flagg more than the W, but against title contenders we'd fight from down in a hole to get back into the game every time when not 1 of JB or KAT is on fire, it's not sustainable.

Bring Josh off the bench, he can boost our bench production and he'll play starter 30+ mins anyway and end up playing with starters too.

Start Precious at 4, we get more size, we get more paint protection, and don't necessarily lose rebounding and scoring with Josh to the bench.

I've been saying although KAT has been a beast as a L leading rebounder, imo he doesn't necessarily love being the lone presence in the paint, and esp doesn't love being the last line of defense. He loves some help in rebounding to ease his load... and esp loves another big to help him defensively in the paint.

Currently the spacing and passing with Josh as a starter are imo inorganic, clunky, and not very spontaneous. Do this move (bench Josh and start Precious), the spacing and ball movement will be organic, synergistic and SPONATENOUS. We need it !!!

I think we're better off as a team with an aggressive Mikal doing 25pts, 8 assists every game he'll be a demon defensively when he gets going offensively... we need to set the tone at the start of the game.

Also, out of everyone on roster Josh is probably the guy who'd complain the least with a bench "demotion"... I bet he'd still get 10+rpg, I remember he got 19 rebounds off the bench against us when he was still with Portland. In fact, at beginning of this season as we were losing he even publicly suggested to bench himself.

Of course, our "brilliant bball mind" coach would not see this.... or would SEE it and still not do anything about it

We lose spacing, ball-handling, rebounding and fast break opportunities replacing Josh with Precious. Precious has not inspired any confidence so far. Thankfully this change has 0% chance of happening.

Doesn't make sense... Josh has been knocking down shots, but Precious has been knocking down outside shots too... let's be real Josh isn't a league beater at spacing, let's not act like we'd lose a sniper like Divo 3rd in 3pt makes last year.

Precious can rebound, plus add size and interior defense.

And we don't need Precious to ball handle, we only need a few at a time like JB and Mikal, who's freed to operate when he doesn't play with Josh. When we have too many like JB, Josh, and Mikal to want to be playmakers at the same time, it's when too much of a good thing becomes bad. We only Precious to facilitate, move the ball, not trying to break defenses down with dribbling or playmaking.

Josh has been racking up triple doubles he can absolutely be a playmaker, but Mikal can do it as well as Josh too, plus scoring that Josh can't.

We don't "demote" Josh, we put an absolute weapon as an ammo reserve on the bench and unleash him on opposing team when our starters get rest... again he'll likely play starter minutes anyway, so we're not really losing Josh's strengths by benching him.

Like the Minny game showed us, our offense clicks on all cylinders when JB, Mikal make plays early, the team ball movement is just smoother, free flowing, "no hiccups", both the ball and players movement are VERY SPONTANEOUS. That's what we wanna get to as a ball club.

[Fat Kat]

I'm not very thrilled with the spacing when Josh is in SL

He occupies Mikal's attacking spots... strictly offensively Josh and Mikal do not necessarily complement each other although they're both very unselfish.

Josh has been great, but imo we're A LOT better as a team when Mikal, not Josh, is the playmaker other than JB.

We're lucky it's the 5 win Pelicans because in 3rd q they must have realized they wanted Flagg more than the W, but against title contenders we'd fight from down in a hole to get back into the game every time when not 1 of JB or KAT is on fire, it's not sustainable.

Bring Josh off the bench, he can boost our bench production and he'll play starter 30+ mins anyway and end up playing with starters too.

Start Precious at 4, we get more size, we get more paint protection, and don't necessarily lose rebounding and scoring with Josh to the bench.

I've been saying although KAT has been a beast as a L leading rebounder, imo he doesn't necessarily love being the lone presence in the paint, and esp doesn't love being the last line of defense. He loves some help in rebounding to ease his load... and esp loves another big to help him defensively in the paint.

Currently the spacing and passing with Josh as a starter are imo inorganic, clunky, and not very spontaneous. Do this move (bench Josh and start Precious), the spacing and ball movement will be organic, synergistic and SPONATENOUS. We need it !!!

I think we're better off as a team with an aggressive Mikal doing 25pts, 8 assists every game he'll be a demon defensively when he gets going offensively... we need to set the tone at the start of the game.

Also, out of everyone on roster Josh is probably the guy who'd complain the least with a bench "demotion"... I bet he'd still get 10+rpg, I remember he got 19 rebounds off the bench against us when he was still with Portland. In fact, at beginning of this season as we were losing he even publicly suggested to bench himself.

Of course, our "brilliant bball mind" coach would not see this.... or would SEE it and still not do anything about it

We lose spacing, ball-handling, rebounding and fast break opportunities replacing Josh with Precious. Precious has not inspired any confidence so far. Thankfully this change has 0% chance of happening.

Doesn't make sense... Josh has been knocking down shots, but Precious has been knocking down outside shots too... let's be real Josh isn't a league beater at spacing, let's not act like we'd lose a sniper like Divo 3rd in 3pt makes last year.

Precious can rebound, plus add size and interior defense.

And we don't need Precious to ball handle, we only need a few at a time like JB and Mikal, who's freed to operate when he doesn't play with Josh. When we have too many like JB, Josh, and Mikal to want to be playmakers at the same time, it's when too much of a good thing becomes bad. We only Precious to facilitate, move the ball, not trying to break defenses down with dribbling or playmaking.

Josh has been racking up triple doubles he can absolutely be a playmaker, but Mikal can do it as well as Josh too, plus scoring that Josh can't.

We don't "demote" Josh, we put an absolute weapon as an ammo reserve on the bench and unleash him on opposing team when our starters get rest... again he'll likely play starter minutes anyway, so we're not really losing Josh's strengths by benching him.

Like the Minny game showed us, our offense clicks on all cylinders when JB, Mikal make plays early, the team ball movement is just smoother, free flowing, "no hiccups", both the ball and players movement are VERY SPONTANEOUS. That's what we wanna get to as a ball club.

Precious was the only rotation player with a negative plus minus in a game that we won by almost 30 points. He wasn’t good. You’re picturing a reality that just isn’t real. It’s like you’re trying to make changes for the sake of making a change.

[JBreezeNY]

Bench Hart, Start McBride, Bench Precious and trade him along with Sims/or Mitch for a big Wing.

[GettinitDone]

We lose spacing, ball-handling, rebounding and fast break opportunities replacing Josh with Precious. Precious has not inspired any confidence so far. Thankfully this change has 0% chance of happening.

Doesn't make sense... Josh has been knocking down shots, but Precious has been knocking down outside shots too... let's be real Josh isn't a league beater at spacing, let's not act like we'd lose a sniper like Divo 3rd in 3pt makes last year.

Precious can rebound, plus add size and interior defense.

And we don't need Precious to ball handle, we only need a few at a time like JB and Mikal, who's freed to operate when he doesn't play with Josh. When we have too many like JB, Josh, and Mikal to want to be playmakers at the same time, it's when too much of a good thing becomes bad. We only Precious to facilitate, move the ball, not trying to break defenses down with dribbling or playmaking.

Josh has been racking up triple doubles he can absolutely be a playmaker, but Mikal can do it as well as Josh too, plus scoring that Josh can't.

We don't "demote" Josh, we put an absolute weapon as an ammo reserve on the bench and unleash him on opposing team when our starters get rest... again he'll likely play starter minutes anyway, so we're not really losing Josh's strengths by benching him.

Like the Minny game showed us, our offense clicks on all cylinders when JB, Mikal make plays early, the team ball movement is just smoother, free flowing, "no hiccups", both the ball and players movement are VERY SPONTANEOUS. That's what we wanna get to as a ball club.

Precious was the only rotation player with a negative plus minus in a game that we won by almost 30 points. He wasn’t good. You’re picturing a reality that just isn’t real. It’s like you’re trying to make changes for the sake of making a change.

We do this change to unlock Mikal

I don't get why people are down on Precious, like he's a Kwame Brown... he has very good hands, can catch passes, he can actually shoot, he can actually put the ball on the floor, he actually blocks shots (how about that clutch block on Embiid in last season's playoffs), he actually rebounds

The 2000s Lakers had stiffs playing at 4 next to Shaq like Samaki Walker, and a washed Horace Grant... I bet Samaki's +- were horrendous, but they got the job done... Precious is better than them


But again we do this move to bench Josh so we can free Mikal to operate, not so much about Precious. We're at our best with an aggressive Mikal !!

But Precious can be more than just be "6 fouls"... he's imo a REALLY REALLY GOOD role player, like Josh.

[BKlutch]

:lol:

Read on Twitter

That's the perfect picture too. Looks like he just spotted some Mike's hot n honey chicken fingers

This is a prime example of the slogan: "Be careful what you ask for, or you just might get it."

KNICKS fans everywhere wanted Zion badly. We truly dodged a bullet by not winning the draft that year.

Remember Tank for Zion!

[Context]

this is food for thought for some of the Knick family members that think our Orlando win didnt count because they didnt have their top guys:

Read on Twitter

If the Knicks lost without KAT and Brunson you would not downplay the loss saying that we were missing our top guys?

I think for us at this point- 28 games in with this new group (10 new players)we dont have our culture, chemistry and bench; fully
developed...we're getting there but at this point Brunson and Kat represent a large portion of our engine...

So in context- I dont think its a good comp Jay...

[JayTWill]

this is food for thought for some of the Knick family members that think our Orlando win didnt count because they didnt have their top guys:

Read on Twitter

If the Knicks lost without KAT and Brunson you would not downplay the loss saying that we were missing our top guys?

I think for us at this point- 28 games in with this new group (10 new players)we dont have our culture, chemistry and bench; fully
developed...we're getting there but at this point Brunson and Kat represent a large portion of our engine...

So in context- I dont think its a good comp Jay...

So if this group had a full year of experience together and a fan from an opposing fan base came to this board to brag about beating this team without KAT and Brunson with OG struggling to create his own offense you would be ok with that? I wouldn't. I would say we were missing important pieces and guys were forced into roles they shouldn't be in.

And if the fan responded "You guys have a culture, chemistry, depth and OG scored 40 against Denver" it still wouldn't change anything in my mind. Personally I rather see how both teams matchup at full strength to provide a better barometer of where both teams stand. The Knicks haven't peaked yet but it is easier for me to measure the progress the team is making when they are going up against the best versions of the best teams.