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[MrDollarBills]

wild he think the associate coach is calling his own sons number...like Rick doesn't say sh*t during the game.

Jeff Teague basically told you exactly how thibs coach. We don't run plays...he just lets his guard read and react to the defense. During crunch time that is fine...but early in the game we should have some set plays and actions to get get other guys involved.

Brunson isn't Steve Nash and should have to be. He can thrive off ball as well because he is very effective in catch and shoot and you can run him off screens as well.

Its just funny to me that Mikal is not worthy to run any action through with Brunson healthy but with Brunson now out he is our #1 option. That just shows you the limitations of our coach.

the only time i can recall him trying to get mikal going early was when he let mikal go 1v1 @utah and it didn't go well. no screens or off ball action just go 1v1 in the beginning of the game.

I remember the Christmas game as well vs San Antonio.

That was that mid to late November time frame to about mid January that we were like scoring +120 pts on the regular...KT was playing at the top of his game...ball was moving more freely.

Then all of a sudden we reverted back to isolation basketball as teams started to adjust there defense vs us. They started to put bigger wings on KAT and centers on Hart...so thibs counter to that is not even use KAT or Mikal in the offense just let Brunson go 1 on 1.

I would say he needs to be more creative and innovative to counter that...but that is simply not thibs style.

I hate to keep ragging on him, but Thibs really has zero imagination.

Like there should be different sets and play calls to create opportunities for the main guys to get shots. Mikal could be doing so much more on and off ball. I think OG could be used as a screener for PnP opportunities and guys could be screening him open. KAT should be involved in 1-5 and 2-5 PnRs.

It's a ton of stuff that he could be doing but he prefers iso ball which is basically playing into the hands of better coaches.

[MrDollarBills]

the only time i can recall him trying to get mikal going early was when he let mikal go 1v1 @utah and it didn't go well. no screens or off ball action just go 1v1 in the beginning of the game.

I remember the Christmas game as well vs San Antonio.

That was that mid to late November time frame to about mid January that we were like scoring +120 pts on the regular...KT was playing at the top of his game...ball was moving more freely.

Then all of a sudden we reverted back to isolation basketball as teams started to adjust there defense vs us. They started to put bigger wings on KAT and centers on Hart...so thibs counter to that is not even use KAT or Mikal in the offense just let Brunson go 1 on 1.

I would say he needs to be more creative and innovative to counter that...but that is simply not thibs style.

it breaks my heart to say this but we have a jHart problem. he is becoming unplayable if he isn't shooting 3s at a respectable clip. this sht killed me last night. we desperately need another wing who can space the floor.

Josh being unwilling to shoot is even worse than him missing threes.

Take the goddamn shot. It's not like he can't hit 1 or two

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[GONYK]

the only time i can recall him trying to get mikal going early was when he let mikal go 1v1 @utah and it didn't go well. no screens or off ball action just go 1v1 in the beginning of the game.

I remember the Christmas game as well vs San Antonio.

That was that mid to late November time frame to about mid January that we were like scoring +120 pts on the regular...KT was playing at the top of his game...ball was moving more freely.

Then all of a sudden we reverted back to isolation basketball as teams started to adjust there defense vs us. They started to put bigger wings on KAT and centers on Hart...so thibs counter to that is not even use KAT or Mikal in the offense just let Brunson go 1 on 1.

I would say he needs to be more creative and innovative to counter that...but that is simply not thibs style.

I hate to keep ragging on him, but Thibs really has zero imagination.

Like there should be different sets and play calls to create opportunities for the main guys to get shots. Mikal could be doing so much more on and off ball. I think OG could be used as a screener for PnP opportunities and guys could be screening him open. KAT should be involved in 1-5 and 2-5 PnRs.

It's a ton of stuff that he could be doing but he prefers iso ball which is basically playing into the hands of better coaches.

Can't involve KAT in the action if the 5 is on Josh and Josh won't shoot, because the 5 will then just drop to the rim and whoever is involved in the PnR meets a double team in the paint. It's basically why you can't just have KAT post up the smaller defender in that situation either.

Thibs isn't playing pure ISO ball. Every set basically starts with a screen or DHO to get a player in space and create an advantage that should force a double team. That is essentially what every team does. The spacing issues need to be worked out if Hart won't shoot though.

[Guano]

the only time i can recall him trying to get mikal going early was when he let mikal go 1v1 @utah and it didn't go well. no screens or off ball action just go 1v1 in the beginning of the game.

I remember the Christmas game as well vs San Antonio.

That was that mid to late November time frame to about mid January that we were like scoring +120 pts on the regular...KT was playing at the top of his game...ball was moving more freely.

Then all of a sudden we reverted back to isolation basketball as teams started to adjust there defense vs us. They started to put bigger wings on KAT and centers on Hart...so thibs counter to that is not even use KAT or Mikal in the offense just let Brunson go 1 on 1.

I would say he needs to be more creative and innovative to counter that...but that is simply not thibs style.

I hate to keep ragging on him, but Thibs really has zero imagination.

Like there should be different sets and play calls to create opportunities for the main guys to get shots. Mikal could be doing so much more on and off ball. I think OG could be used as a screener for PnP opportunities and guys could be screening him open. KAT should be involved in 1-5 and 2-5 PnRs.

It's a ton of stuff that he could be doing but he prefers iso ball which is basically playing into the hands of better coaches.

the 2 things that are inexcusable are og's mins and kat not getting up 10 3s a game. it's reckless overuse and wasting talent.

[Guano]

I remember the Christmas game as well vs San Antonio.

That was that mid to late November time frame to about mid January that we were like scoring +120 pts on the regular...KT was playing at the top of his game...ball was moving more freely.

Then all of a sudden we reverted back to isolation basketball as teams started to adjust there defense vs us. They started to put bigger wings on KAT and centers on Hart...so thibs counter to that is not even use KAT or Mikal in the offense just let Brunson go 1 on 1.

I would say he needs to be more creative and innovative to counter that...but that is simply not thibs style.

it breaks my heart to say this but we have a jHart problem. he is becoming unplayable if he isn't shooting 3s at a respectable clip. this sht killed me last night. we desperately need another wing who can space the floor.

Josh being unwilling to shoot is even worse than him missing threes.

Take the goddamn shot. It's not like he can't hit 1 or two

jHart turning into Ben Simmons is a low point of this season

[prophet_of_rage]

Did Cap'n O call in to KFTV as JK?

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[mpharris36]

I remember the Christmas game as well vs San Antonio.

That was that mid to late November time frame to about mid January that we were like scoring +120 pts on the regular...KT was playing at the top of his game...ball was moving more freely.

Then all of a sudden we reverted back to isolation basketball as teams started to adjust there defense vs us. They started to put bigger wings on KAT and centers on Hart...so thibs counter to that is not even use KAT or Mikal in the offense just let Brunson go 1 on 1.

I would say he needs to be more creative and innovative to counter that...but that is simply not thibs style.

I hate to keep ragging on him, but Thibs really has zero imagination.

Like there should be different sets and play calls to create opportunities for the main guys to get shots. Mikal could be doing so much more on and off ball. I think OG could be used as a screener for PnP opportunities and guys could be screening him open. KAT should be involved in 1-5 and 2-5 PnRs.

It's a ton of stuff that he could be doing but he prefers iso ball which is basically playing into the hands of better coaches.

Can't involve KAT in the action if the 5 is on Josh and Josh won't shoot, because the 5 will then just drop to the rim and whoever is involved in the PnR meets a double team in the paint. It's basically why you can't just have KAT post up the smaller defender in that situation either.

Thibs isn't playing pure ISO ball. Every set basically starts with a screen or DHO to get a player in space and create an advantage that should force a double team. That is essentially what every team does. The spacing issues need to be worked out if Hart won't shoot though.

there are ways to get creative though. Teams want Draymond too shoot and GS finds way to get up shots to there best players. I get it also has to do with Curry's volume.



But here an idea which they used a lot last night...use Hart more as a screener both on ball and off ball.

If teams are going to continue to drop off Hart us that against them. Mikal was money in the mid range and basically got the Blazers out of drop where they had to start blitzing him and then Mikal his Hart on a short role and then Josh Hart going down hill playing 4 on 3 is typically very advantageous to us.

Another thing we rarely use is Hart as an off ball screener. The big doesn't want to leave the paint so use Hart to off ball KAT as a pin down screen to have KAT either get open for a C&S 3...or force the big to have to switch back onto KAT on a close out and then KAT can attack.

Its like if the smaller player is on KAT he just stands around.

You can take advantage of a team dropping of Hart with it not resulting in a Hart 3...

[mpharris36]

as much as we want to **** on Hart his rebounding is needed...we were murdered on the glass last night and Hart is the only player that ended with double figure rebounds.

If you remove Hart for the lineup....you basically are going to get destroyed on the glass.

Hart was 2-6 from 3...that is fine...there were a few attempts he turned down I think he should of taken but I also don't think Hart should be taking early in the shot clock pull up 3's...there is better offense.

For example we should run players early in the shot clock and if they are still going down late an open 3 is always there for Hart later in the shot clock. As long as its rhythm 3 I don't mind Hart taking it. But on the other end you also don't want him shooting 15 3's a game.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I hate to keep ragging on him, but Thibs really has zero imagination.

Like there should be different sets and play calls to create opportunities for the main guys to get shots. Mikal could be doing so much more on and off ball. I think OG could be used as a screener for PnP opportunities and guys could be screening him open. KAT should be involved in 1-5 and 2-5 PnRs.

It's a ton of stuff that he could be doing but he prefers iso ball which is basically playing into the hands of better coaches.

Can't involve KAT in the action if the 5 is on Josh and Josh won't shoot, because the 5 will then just drop to the rim and whoever is involved in the PnR meets a double team in the paint. It's basically why you can't just have KAT post up the smaller defender in that situation either.

Thibs isn't playing pure ISO ball. Every set basically starts with a screen or DHO to get a player in space and create an advantage that should force a double team. That is essentially what every team does. The spacing issues need to be worked out if Hart won't shoot though.

there are ways to get creative though. Teams want Draymond too shoot and GS finds way to get up shots to there best players. I get it also has to do with Curry's volume.



But here an idea which they used a lot last night...use Hart more as a screener both on ball and off ball.

If teams are going to continue to drop off Hart us that against them. Mikal was money in the mid range and basically got the Blazers out of drop where they had to start blitzing him and then Mikal his Hart on a short role and then Josh Hart going down hill playing 4 on 3 is typically very advantageous to us.

Another thing we rarely use is Hart as an off ball screener. The big doesn't want to leave the paint so use Hart to off ball KAT as a pin down screen to have KAT either get open for a C&S 3...or force the big to have to switch back onto KAT on a close out and then KAT can attack.

Its like if the smaller player is on KAT he just stands around.

You can take advantage of a team dropping of Hart with it not resulting in a Hart 3...

Too creative. Can you come up with something using crayons so Thibs will understand it?

[thebuzzardman]

Portland has been a much better team and really good defensively since they put Clingnan in the starting lineup.

They played close games with DET and GS and took CLE to OT as well.

Any win without Brunson shouldn't be taken for granted.

i get life is rough and times are hard but wtf are we doing here if we aren't celebrating an OT game winner

Without our most selfish player too...

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[mpharris36]

Can't involve KAT in the action if the 5 is on Josh and Josh won't shoot, because the 5 will then just drop to the rim and whoever is involved in the PnR meets a double team in the paint. It's basically why you can't just have KAT post up the smaller defender in that situation either.

Thibs isn't playing pure ISO ball. Every set basically starts with a screen or DHO to get a player in space and create an advantage that should force a double team. That is essentially what every team does. The spacing issues need to be worked out if Hart won't shoot though.

there are ways to get creative though. Teams want Draymond too shoot and GS finds way to get up shots to there best players. I get it also has to do with Curry's volume.



But here an idea which they used a lot last night...use Hart more as a screener both on ball and off ball.

If teams are going to continue to drop off Hart us that against them. Mikal was money in the mid range and basically got the Blazers out of drop where they had to start blitzing him and then Mikal his Hart on a short role and then Josh Hart going down hill playing 4 on 3 is typically very advantageous to us.

Another thing we rarely use is Hart as an off ball screener. The big doesn't want to leave the paint so use Hart to off ball KAT as a pin down screen to have KAT either get open for a C&S 3...or force the big to have to switch back onto KAT on a close out and then KAT can attack.

Its like if the smaller player is on KAT he just stands around.

You can take advantage of a team dropping of Hart with it not resulting in a Hart 3...

Too creative. Can you come up with something using crayons so Thibs will understand it?

I just find it funny our only offense to counter KAT on a smaller defender is post him up 20 feet from the basket...like wtf are we doing

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[TheGreenArrow]

Team mikal stand up. Never folded. A1 since day1.

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Gtfo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[thebuzzardman]

wild he think the associate coach is calling his own sons number...like Rick doesn't say sh*t during the game.

Jeff Teague basically told you exactly how thibs coach. We don't run plays...he just lets his guard read and react to the defense. During crunch time that is fine...but early in the game we should have some set plays and actions to get get other guys involved.

Brunson isn't Steve Nash and should have to be. He can thrive off ball as well because he is very effective in catch and shoot and you can run him off screens as well.

Its just funny to me that Mikal is not worthy to run any action through with Brunson healthy but with Brunson now out he is our #1 option. That just shows you the limitations of our coach.

the only time i can recall him trying to get mikal going early was when he let mikal go 1v1 @utah and it didn't go well. no screens or off ball action just go 1v1 in the beginning of the game.

I remember the Christmas game as well vs San Antonio.

That was that mid to late November time frame to about mid January that we were like scoring +120 pts on the regular...KT was playing at the top of his game...ball was moving more freely.

Then all of a sudden we reverted back to isolation basketball as teams started to adjust there defense vs us. They started to put bigger wings on KAT and centers on Hart...so thibs counter to that is not even use KAT or Mikal in the offense just let Brunson go 1 on 1.

I would say he needs to be more creative and innovative to counter that...but that is simply not thibs style.

Teams adjusted to what Thibs was doing but Thibs can't counter adjust.
It's why he gets smoked in the playoffs regularly

[Guano]

i get life is rough and times are hard but wtf are we doing here if we aren't celebrating an OT game winner

Without our most selfish player too...

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youre doing great work here

i'm rooting for you to get the mikal vs thibs/brunson war going.

[GONYK]

I hate to keep ragging on him, but Thibs really has zero imagination.

Like there should be different sets and play calls to create opportunities for the main guys to get shots. Mikal could be doing so much more on and off ball. I think OG could be used as a screener for PnP opportunities and guys could be screening him open. KAT should be involved in 1-5 and 2-5 PnRs.

It's a ton of stuff that he could be doing but he prefers iso ball which is basically playing into the hands of better coaches.

Can't involve KAT in the action if the 5 is on Josh and Josh won't shoot, because the 5 will then just drop to the rim and whoever is involved in the PnR meets a double team in the paint. It's basically why you can't just have KAT post up the smaller defender in that situation either.

Thibs isn't playing pure ISO ball. Every set basically starts with a screen or DHO to get a player in space and create an advantage that should force a double team. That is essentially what every team does. The spacing issues need to be worked out if Hart won't shoot though.

there are ways to get creative though. Teams want Draymond too shoot and GS finds way to get up shots to there best players. I get it also has to do with Curry's volume.

Golden State isn't analogous to anyone because of Curry's gravity and volume. They barely run any PnRs at all. The Knicks are middle of the pack in PnR frequency and #1 in the league in PnR points per possession. We also aren't even top 10 in the league in ISO frequency.

But here an idea which they used a lot last night...use Hart more as a screener both on ball and off ball.

If teams are going to continue to drop off Hart us that against them. Mikal was money in the mid range and basically got the Blazers out of drop where they had to start blitzing him and then Mikal his Hart on a short role and then Josh Hart going down hill playing 4 on 3 is typically very advantageous to us.

Correct, but this completely neutralizes KAT as an offensive weapon and Josh can only get downhill on a 4 on 3 if KAT goes and stands in the corner the whole possession. It's not bad offense, and like you said, we're already doing it, but I wouldn't say it is ideal.

Another thing we rarely use is Hart as an off ball screener. The big doesn't want to leave the paint so use Hart to off ball KAT as a pin down screen to have KAT either get open for a C&S 3...or force the big to have to switch back onto KAT on a close out and then KAT can attack.

Its like if the smaller player is on KAT he just stands around.

You can take advantage of a team dropping of Hart with it not resulting in a Hart 3...

Yea, we could be doing more of that, absolutely

[prophet_of_rage]

posted this after the lakers OT loss.

Brunson isn't a crutch. He's the associate head coach's son. Rick is probably calling a lot when JB is in. Hence Divo's outburst.

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Brunson is Thibs crutch was my point...Brunson is so good at isolating that thibs just crosses his arms and let Brunson do everything.

If we ran actual offense/actions that get all our players involved we wouldn't have such volatility in our secondary scoring. How does Mikal go from being an afterthought in the offense to the #1 option with one injury. Even with Brunson in you can scheme plays for Mikal to get more involved.

He took 6 shots in an OT game vs the Lakers...to now being the guy that gets every rep down the stretch.

I think you ignore Rick Brunson's influence.

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[Jalen Bluntson]

Without our most selfish player too...

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youre doing great work here

i'm rooting for you to get the mikal vs thibs/brunson war going.

Brunson jas to go. Mikal is him!

[Guano]

there are ways to get creative though. Teams want Draymond too shoot and GS finds way to get up shots to there best players. I get it also has to do with Curry's volume.



But here an idea which they used a lot last night...use Hart more as a screener both on ball and off ball.

If teams are going to continue to drop off Hart us that against them. Mikal was money in the mid range and basically got the Blazers out of drop where they had to start blitzing him and then Mikal his Hart on a short role and then Josh Hart going down hill playing 4 on 3 is typically very advantageous to us.

Another thing we rarely use is Hart as an off ball screener. The big doesn't want to leave the paint so use Hart to off ball KAT as a pin down screen to have KAT either get open for a C&S 3...or force the big to have to switch back onto KAT on a close out and then KAT can attack.

Its like if the smaller player is on KAT he just stands around.

You can take advantage of a team dropping of Hart with it not resulting in a Hart 3...

Too creative. Can you come up with something using crayons so Thibs will understand it?

I just find it funny our only offense to counter KAT on a smaller defender is post him up 20 feet from the basket...like wtf are we doing

I hate that play - least favorite offensive play is watching kat barrel his way to the hoop from that far out.

well that's a lie I HATE the cam payne heat check from 5' beyond the 3 point line - mf you're not steph stop that sht