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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Warriors: Pathetic Part II 

Post#221 » by HarthorneWingo » Sun Mar 16, 2025 10:00 pm

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Chanel Bomber wrote:The Knicks had the flexibility to make personnel moves so long as they held on to their trove of draft picks.

The KAT trade was a net win in my view. But even if you believe that the Knicks lost the trade because they forfeited too much toughness and depth, the Knicks would have still had the latitude to change course at any point (or go all in for a superstar when possible) using their draft picks.

The Knicks no longer have that option because of the Bridges trade.

He's a fine player. But there was a bigger picture. And they lost sight of the bigger picture by making that trade.

There was no small loss our draft capital couldn't fix. Until we used it on a solid role player.

There isn't even much to discuss because of it. The Knicks don't have too many options. They're a team that's short on depth, with two efficient offensive stars who can be targeted defensively and who fall short of superstardom, and a few role players who range from elite to above-average. Perhaps with some continuity they can build on their chemistry, and maybe they'll need to make a decision on Josh Hart. Maybe it is time for a coaching change. Maybe the confluence of continuity, fringe personnel moves, and a coaching change will take the team to the next level. But I'm afraid trading all those draft picks locked our window before we could even open it.

I'm sure that the front office, who everyone here loves so much, surveyed the potential SGs in the league who were potentially available and its turned out that Mykal was the best option of those attainable. If not, then who? The Celtics acquired Price from SA. He didn't immediately gel with Tatum and Brown.

I think you folks are giving up on this team way too early. It took the Lebron-Wade-Bosh Miami Heat a little while to figure things out. Everyone wants to go to the ECF or even win it. That may be a bit unrealistic. Just let this shyt play out this season and see where we're at.

They don't have much of a choice was my point.

As far as this season is concerned, they could still make a nice run if healthy, but I don't have high expectations. I'm not freaking out about this year. And I've mentioned how I think they could improve going into next season.

But the lack of draft capital dramatically impacts our 4-5-year outlook. It significantly lowers our ceiling, shrinks our room for maneuver, etc. I guess we'll see. I think it matters that they compete in the playoffs, but life on earth doesn't end in April or May 2025.


Exactly, there were not other options other than Mykal. If you're saying that we shouldn't have made any moves and simply waited to see who else might become available, then we risked losing the opportunity to acquire Mykal. And, as I recall, this place was quite excited to get him at the time. He went from a first option with the Nets to a third option with us in one season. I think that it's prudent to just sit tight and give this team 2-3 years to improve. There are probably ways to improve the team next season that we haven't even considered yet. Look, the Bucks picked up Gary Trent, Jr. for practically nothing right before the season started.

Well, we just picked up one former FRP in Beauchamp and a SRP in Watson. We also have McCullers, Dadiet, Hukporti, et al. There are also players who will be availab
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Warriors: Pathetic Part II 

Post#222 » by cgf » Sun Mar 16, 2025 10:19 pm

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BKlutch wrote:
WaltFrazier wrote:
I hoped Mitch would be full speed by now, in fitness if not timing. GSW not the best matchup for him but still.

Can't help but think if we just had iHart we'd be rolling now

I wish Mitch were back fully in shape, but when your foot isn't good, how the hell can you get in shape without putting pressure on it? This takes a lot of time, and it's not on Mitch, it's just how this injury goes. Looking forward to seeing a lot more from him soon.


Swimming, antigravity treadmill. He doesn’t have to be like Kobe, but he probably could’ve done more to get in shape.
He comes off as an unserious athlete


Swimming would keep him in shape for a normal person, it wouldn’t keep him in shape for basketball.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Warriors: Pathetic Part II 

Post#223 » by Clyde_Style » Sun Mar 16, 2025 10:24 pm

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There's no team that makes the playoffs that I think anyone can confidently say the Knicks will beat.

Thibs is too easy to game plan against.


This team is not collectively gritty like last year's team that overachieved shorthanded.

This team relies on individual performances to get them over the hump.

Lack of cohesion gets exposed in the playoffs.


That team overachieved to 50 wins. Not sure it was an every year 50 win team.
It needed changes.
This team is technically better, and I think is a legit 50+ win team, even with Thibs as coach.

That said, it looks like neither version of the team were/are really going anywhere.
At least with last year, there was still the hope of improving the team.
And the team IS improved, just not that much.

Also, Thibs sucks and is holding back the team.
And the bench sucks ass.
And the team could use another player who can create, no Randle wouldn't make the team better.


The "we sure could use Randle now" comments are pretty hilarious :lol: as if Thibs handing yet another guy the ball and saying "do as thy will" is the answer. Talk about moving the goalposts
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Warriors: Pathetic Part II 

Post#224 » by Fat Kat » Sun Mar 16, 2025 10:39 pm

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BKlutch wrote:I wish Mitch were back fully in shape, but when your foot isn't good, how the hell can you get in shape without putting pressure on it? This takes a lot of time, and it's not on Mitch, it's just how this injury goes. Looking forward to seeing a lot more from him soon.


Swimming, antigravity treadmill. He doesn’t have to be like Kobe, but he probably could’ve done more to get in shape.
He comes off as an unserious athlete


Swimming would keep him in shape for a normal person, it wouldn’t keep him in shape for basketball.


It would keep him from getting exhausted after 5 minutes on the floor. He looked like he just smoked 2 packs of Newports. I want him playing a solid 20-25 minutes by the playoffs.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Warriors: Pathetic Part II 

Post#225 » by HopelessKnick » Sun Mar 16, 2025 10:41 pm

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NoDopeOnSundays wrote:This team has never been forthcoming with injury severity and return dates, I half expect Brunson to just miss the playoffs.

Also, this is exactly why you play young players earlier in the season and give them reps. It's why you don't play your starters 40+ against the Wiz in December, you invest in younger players in the early part of the season so they can be ready later just in case one of your guys gets hurt which is inevitable with the ogre as our coach. You let Tyler play 15 meaningful minutes against the Hornets in December instead of having 4 of your 5 starters with 38-39 minutes in a 25 point win. Now we're at a point where the excuse is "he's not ready" no ****, he hasn't played a meaningful minute of NBA basketball in 3 months.


Yet another playoffs run where we will limp into them, we have never been healthy under Thibs in April and we never will be.


The handful of dudes who mock Kolek for whatever bogus reason (defense, yeah sure buddy) are the same guys who would pile on Kolek if he faltered when suddenly being given meaningful minutes by a desperate coach running out of bodies. You need to bring rookies along during the season. It is what good coaches do.


You know when I look at Cleveland at preseason time they were very similar to us. Top heavy, weak bench. Today we see a team at 57-10 on a 16 game winning streak with Mitchell averaging the most minutes at 31!. Everyone talks about their depth.....but did anyone preseason really think that having a bench consisting of Niang, Levert and Okoro qualified for a "deep" bench? If Jerome was on the Knicks he would have gotten spot minutes here and there---we are talking a guy averaging 6 points through his injury-riddled career. That same Cleveland bench under Thibs would have resulted in Thibs playing all their starters 35+ minutes and everyone talking about how they are lacking a bench.
Does anyone think a Payton Pritchard, Kolek, Hauser bench under Thibs would have amounted to anything? Let alone a now very solid and somewhat deep, dangerous bench that can shoot opposing teams out of a game by themselves? Let's be real---those coaches made the effort and had the patience and wisdom to develop that early on because they know you can't win a title playing 6.5 guys in November. And it's not like you need to be a coaching genius to see that.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Warriors: Pathetic Part II 

Post#226 » by Fat Kat » Sun Mar 16, 2025 10:42 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
This team is not collectively gritty like last year's team that overachieved shorthanded.

This team relies on individual performances to get them over the hump.

Lack of cohesion gets exposed in the playoffs.


That team overachieved to 50 wins. Not sure it was an every year 50 win team.
It needed changes.
This team is technically better, and I think is a legit 50+ win team, even with Thibs as coach.

That said, it looks like neither version of the team were/are really going anywhere.
At least with last year, there was still the hope of improving the team.
And the team IS improved, just not that much.

Also, Thibs sucks and is holding back the team.
And the bench sucks ass.
And the team could use another player who can create, no Randle wouldn't make the team better.


The "we sure could use Randle now" comments are pretty hilarious :lol: as if Thibs handing yet another guy the ball and saying "do as thy will" is the answer. Talk about moving the goalposts


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Post#227 » by ctorres » Sun Mar 16, 2025 10:57 pm

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Post#228 » by WaltFrazier » Sun Mar 16, 2025 11:58 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:I'm sure that the front office, who everyone here loves so much, surveyed the potential SGs in the league who were potentially available and its turned out that Mykal was the best option of those attainable. If not, then who? The Celtics acquired Price from SA. He didn't immediately gel with Tatum and Brown.

I think you folks are giving up on this team way too early. It took the Lebron-Wade-Bosh Miami Heat a little while to figure things out. Everyone wants to go to the ECF or even win it. That may be a bit unrealistic. Just let this shyt play out this season and see where we're at.

They don't have much of a choice was my point.

As far as this season is concerned, they could still make a nice run if healthy, but I don't have high expectations. I'm not freaking out about this year. And I've mentioned how I think they could improve going into next season.

But the lack of draft capital dramatically impacts our 4-5-year outlook. It significantly lowers our ceiling, shrinks our room for maneuver, etc. I guess we'll see. I think it matters that they compete in the playoffs, but life on earth doesn't end in April or May 2025.


Exactly, there were not other options other than Mykal. If you're saying that we shouldn't have made any moves and simply waited to see who else might become available, then we risked losing the opportunity to acquire Mykal. And, as I recall, this place was quite excited to get him at the time. He went from a first option with the Nets to a third option with us in one season. I think that it's prudent to just sit tight and give this team 2-3 years to improve. There are probably ways to improve the team next season that we haven't even considered yet. Look, the Bucks picked up Gary Trent, Jr. for practically nothing right before the season started.

Well, we just picked up one former FRP in Beauchamp and a SRP in Watson. We also have McCullers, Dadiet, Hukporti, et al. There are also players who will be availab


I think this last point is the main hope for next year, the emergence of the rookies plus hope for a surprise cheap pickup. But I think it'll take a different coach to develop and unlock a young bench
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Post#229 » by RHODEY » Mon Mar 17, 2025 12:13 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:
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Adelheid wrote:i think the guys are not really "motivated enough" to win...anyone can say they want to win BUT its a different matter altogether
with the feeling of "I hate to lose"

Yup we have talent, defenders, shooters, but not enough "refuse to lose guys". This is where we misss Ihart, Divo and even Randle most.

Also Precious seems to be regressing, and Hart is losing gas and confidence.

WOuldn't it be nice to see how Kolek would orchestrate with these guys? Why cant we see that Thibs?


No it would not. Why do you hate defense?


I dont...but does Cam Payne give you that? Does he give you playmaking?
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Post#230 » by ITGM » Mon Mar 17, 2025 12:53 am

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Post#231 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Mon Mar 17, 2025 1:06 am

thebuzzardman wrote:You know a team sucks when there's no consensus among the fans what is good or bad about it, how to fix it.

That indicates it has more issues than can really be fixed.

Enjoy the mediocre ride.

Disagree.

There's an _huge_ consensus that Thibs is the first thing to cure/resolve. Ok, so sack him and replace with an assistant coach from the Grizz and then evaluate.

I mean, I just proposed in the trade thread the no-brain idea of Jokic for, well, in that case, the podcasters.

But even without that I think everyone paying attention to the Knicks believes that the upper-limit for the team (not the regular season wins) will be considerably higher. Ok, maybe only on playoff series, but scraping by in R1 and elim in R2 is pretty different to going 6/7 games in R3 (ECF).
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Post#232 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Mon Mar 17, 2025 1:12 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:The Celtics acquired Price from SA. He didn't immediately gel with Tatum and Brown.

Um. Wtf r u talking about. Price? Celtics traded with SA? What are you smoking?

What happened was the Celtics traded with WAS for KP, who gelled immediately with Tatum and Brown, which "is" why they won the championship.
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Post#233 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Mon Mar 17, 2025 1:16 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:I'm sure that the front office, who everyone here loves so much, surveyed the potential SGs in the league who were potentially available and its turned out that Mykal was the best option of those attainable. If not, then who? The Celtics acquired Price from SA. He didn't immediately gel with Tatum and Brown.

I think you folks are giving up on this team way too early. It took the Lebron-Wade-Bosh Miami Heat a little while to figure things out. Everyone wants to go to the ECF or even win it. That may be a bit unrealistic. Just let this shyt play out this season and see where we're at.

They don't have much of a choice was my point.

As far as this season is concerned, they could still make a nice run if healthy, but I don't have high expectations. I'm not freaking out about this year. And I've mentioned how I think they could improve going into next season.

But the lack of draft capital dramatically impacts our 4-5-year outlook. It significantly lowers our ceiling, shrinks our room for maneuver, etc. I guess we'll see. I think it matters that they compete in the playoffs, but life on earth doesn't end in April or May 2025.


Exactly, there were not other options other than Mykal. If you're saying that we shouldn't have made any moves and simply waited to see who else might become available, then we risked losing the opportunity to acquire Mykal. And, as I recall, this place was quite excited to get him at the time. He went from a first option with the Nets to a third option with us in one season. I think that it's prudent to just sit tight and give this team 2-3 years to improve. There are probably ways to improve the team next season that we haven't even considered yet. Look, the Bucks picked up Gary Trent, Jr. for practically nothing right before the season started.

Well, we just picked up one former FRP in Beauchamp and a SRP in Watson. We also have McCullers, Dadiet, Hukporti, et al. There are also players who will be availab

Mikal. MIKAL. MIKAL

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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Warriors: Pathetic Part II 

Post#234 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Mar 17, 2025 1:18 am

B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:The Celtics acquired Price from SA. He didn't immediately gel with Tatum and Brown.

Um. Wtf r u talking about. Price? Celtics traded with SA? What are you smoking?

What happened was the Celtics traded with WAS for KP, who gelled immediately with Tatum and Brown, which "is" why they won the championship.

Shut up!

I meant Derrick White. Price? White? Who cares? Besides, you knew who I was talking about. :lol:
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Post#235 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Mon Mar 17, 2025 1:19 am

WaltFrazier wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:They don't have much of a choice was my point.

As far as this season is concerned, they could still make a nice run if healthy, but I don't have high expectations. I'm not freaking out about this year. And I've mentioned how I think they could improve going into next season.

But the lack of draft capital dramatically impacts our 4-5-year outlook. It significantly lowers our ceiling, shrinks our room for maneuver, etc. I guess we'll see. I think it matters that they compete in the playoffs, but life on earth doesn't end in April or May 2025.


Exactly, there were not other options other than Mykal. If you're saying that we shouldn't have made any moves and simply waited to see who else might become available, then we risked losing the opportunity to acquire Mykal. And, as I recall, this place was quite excited to get him at the time. He went from a first option with the Nets to a third option with us in one season. I think that it's prudent to just sit tight and give this team 2-3 years to improve. There are probably ways to improve the team next season that we haven't even considered yet. Look, the Bucks picked up Gary Trent, Jr. for practically nothing right before the season started.

Well, we just picked up one former FRP in Beauchamp and a SRP in Watson. We also have McCullers, Dadiet, Hukporti, et al. There are also players who will be availab


I think this last point is the main hope for next year, the emergence of the rookies plus hope for a surprise cheap pickup. But I think it'll take a different coach to develop and unlock a young bench

Until, the Knicks sack Thibs this isn't going to happen. You can look at Deuce or Grimes or IQ - Thibs didn't really give them real opportunities as first contgact players. IQ was so greedy every time he was on the court you could maybe argue Thibs did that with him - but for me that's much more an IQ thing than a Thibs thing.

Compare with, idk, Tyler Herro or Byron Scott/AC Green depending on your era/memory
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Post#236 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Mon Mar 17, 2025 1:21 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:
B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:The Celtics acquired Price from SA. He didn't immediately gel with Tatum and Brown.

Um. Wtf r u talking about. Price? Celtics traded with SA? What are you smoking?

What happened was the Celtics traded with WAS for KP, who gelled immediately with Tatum and Brown, which "is" why they won the championship.

Shut up!

I meant Derrick White. Price? White? Who cares? Besides, you knew who I was talking about. :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

The Price is White ????

And yes, White gelled straight away in his first full season with the Celtics, [edit] the year befoe the championship season. And shows no regression.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/whitede01.html
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Post#237 » by 3toheadmelo » Mon Mar 17, 2025 1:45 am

B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:The Celtics acquired Price from SA. He didn't immediately gel with Tatum and Brown.

Um. Wtf r u talking about. Price? Celtics traded with SA? What are you smoking?

What happened was the Celtics traded with WAS for KP, who gelled immediately with Tatum and Brown, which "is" why they won the championship.

Celtics def didn’t win the championship cause of KP. He played just 7 games in the playoffs :lol:
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Post#238 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Mon Mar 17, 2025 1:57 am

3toheadmelo wrote:
B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:The Celtics acquired Price from SA. He didn't immediately gel with Tatum and Brown.

Um. Wtf r u talking about. Price? Celtics traded with SA? What are you smoking?

What happened was the Celtics traded with WAS for KP, who gelled immediately with Tatum and Brown, which "is" why they won the championship.

Celtics def didn’t win the championship cause of KP. He played just 7 games in the playoffs :lol:

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Post#239 » by 3toheadmelo » Mon Mar 17, 2025 2:02 am

B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:
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B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:Um. Wtf r u talking about. Price? Celtics traded with SA? What are you smoking?

What happened was the Celtics traded with WAS for KP, who gelled immediately with Tatum and Brown, which "is" why they won the championship.

Celtics def didn’t win the championship cause of KP. He played just 7 games in the playoffs :lol:

Reading is hard.

What’s hard to comprehend is you posting on the Celtics board hyping up KP :lol:
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Post#240 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Mon Mar 17, 2025 2:11 am

3toheadmelo wrote:
B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:Celtics def didn’t win the championship cause of KP. He played just 7 games in the playoffs :lol:

Reading is hard.

What’s hard to comprehend is you posting on the Celtics board hyping up KP :lol:

Why would I not do that there if I do it here?

I think he's an excellent, interesting to watch player. Basically everyone posting on this board who was here in his 3rd season thought and should think the same. Who knows what his end of career summary will look like?

Has had injury misfortunes - triggered originally by Giannis (not by far the only one). And has had stupid GMs at least in NYK and Dallas. But a really important player for any team who can figure out how to use him.

Would the 2023-2024 Celtics have won the ring without him? Possibly. But the fact that they had him took them easily over the top.

It's not for nothing that Celtics fans (including the Celtics board here) are very relieved that he seems to have overcome the mysterious virus problem he just had. They, quite reasonably, think that having KP available makes their chances of winning another championship considerably better.

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