Strange Shams Report: New York emerged as the only team Giannis Antetokounmpo desired outside of Milwaukee in offseason

[mpharris36]

I think people are willfully forgetting some soft KAT playoff performances this playoffs - especially on defense.

And they're definitely forgetting how extremely mediocre Mikal Bridges was all season and playoffs except for that one defensive play in Boston.

What's so funny?

Are you insinuating one defensive play made up for mediocrity all year?

I mean I'm not going to derail this thread but at least admit through your hate that it was 2 defensive plays that he closed out the celtics with...

[jvsimonetti0514]

How does trading KAT and OG or Mikal and whatever else for Giannis make us a better team?

We’d have 2 top 10 players in the league on our roster and only one of them is a defensive liability. Which would hopefully make it easier to build a championship level defense with just one guy that you need to cover for.

[Rodimus921]

Who ever says that Trading Giannis is not going to make this team better needs to stfu and gtfo. We’re talking about top 3 player in the world and tier 1 talent.

Bucks can have any two combination of Kat, OG , Hart , Mitch , Bridges, McBride . Except the combination of both OG and Bridges we need atleast a “small forward” that’s the only condition.

[god shammgod]

What's so funny?

Are you insinuating one defensive play made up for mediocrity all year?

I mean I'm not going to derail this thread but at least admit through your hate that it was 2 defensive plays that he closed out the celtics with...

the one play was actually og and mitch doing all the hard work and he came through at the end and pretended like it was all him

[god shammgod]

How does trading KAT and OG or Mikal and whatever else for Giannis make us a better team?

We’d have 2 top 10 players in the league on our roster and only one of them is a defensive liability. Which would hopefully make it easier to build a championship level defense with just one guy that you need to cover for.

it is a better pairing. but to be fair, you would probably have to make an additional trade or two to make the roster work perfectly and that could take a little time. but the roster right now doesn't work great either which is why mitch has to start.

[stuporman]

[sol537]

I'm still not 100% on board with the KAT-JB pairing which is why I think a KAT package for Giannis makes sense for us even if we'd have to include a whole lot more to make it happen.

[BKlutch]

How does trading KAT and OG or Mikal and whatever else for Giannis make us a better team?

It doesn’t which is why Leon passed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think people are willfully forgetting some soft KAT playoff performances this playoffs - especially on defense.

And they're definitely forgetting how extremely mediocre Mikal Bridges was all season and playoffs except for that one defensive play in Boston.

And I think you're forgetting how many screens Mikal dealt with defensively. Wearing him out, and not using him to drive on the basket, as he has done during the preseason and did for his whole career before the Knicks. He was used incorrectly. Let's see how that goes this year.

[jvsimonetti0514]

How does trading KAT and OG or Mikal and whatever else for Giannis make us a better team?

We’d have 2 top 10 players in the league on our roster and only one of them is a defensive liability. Which would hopefully make it easier to build a championship level defense with just one guy that you need to cover for.

it is a better pairing. but to be fair, you would probably have to make an additional trade or two to make the roster work perfectly and that could take a little time. but the roster right now doesn't work great either which is why mitch has to start.

That’s why I wouldn’t be super pumped to trade for him during the season but we’re probably not going to have a choice. It be tough to throw the rotations out of whack with our easiest path to the finals ever this season. We’d probably need to find a way to take back someone like portis or kuzma from them for the rotation to really make sense but we’ll still probably be too front court heavy afterwards with a pretty big hole at 2 guard.

Rotation would be like
Brunson Clarkson
Deuce? Brogdan
Mikal hart
Portis yabu
Giannis Mitch

[mpharris36]

How does trading KAT and OG or Mikal and whatever else for Giannis make us a better team?

We’d have 2 top 10 players in the league on our roster and only one of them is a defensive liability. Which would hopefully make it easier to build a championship level defense with just one guy that you need to cover for.

it is a better pairing. but to be fair, you would probably have to make an additional trade or two to make the roster work perfectly and that could take a little time. but the roster right now doesn't work great either which is why mitch has to start.

Its a better pairing defensively for sure. I don't know if its a better pairing offensively. When Brunson has the ball Giannis really doesn't stretch the floor. It would be better in terms of using Brunson more off ball.

But like you said we would have to really change the dynamic of the team. Because if Giannis isn't going to play center you would need to find a center that can shoot which is hard to find. So you would have to change the entire composition of the roster.

I don't think anyone would say no to KAT for Giannis straight up...but we know that isn't happening. The real question is what else would the knicks have to give up the make MIL happy that also doesn't gut our roster because we aren't talking a 1 for 1 trade here...so we are losing in other areas and that is where it gets dicey.

[mpharris36]

What's so funny?

Are you insinuating one defensive play made up for mediocrity all year?

I mean I'm not going to derail this thread but at least admit through your hate that it was 2 defensive plays that he closed out the celtics with...

the one play was actually og and mitch doing all the hard work and he came through at the end and pretended like it was all him

Ok even if you don't want him to give him credit on that steal. He also scored 14 pts in that 4th qtr which helped them win.

In game one he had that huge steal in OT that led to an OG and-1 dunk when the game was tied and he also hit a big 3.

I'm not here to argue the nuance of one play where OG/Mitch and Mikal all played well on (that is what is expected from our good defenders). But the idea that Mikal had "one" moment in the playoffs is absolutely ridiculous.

[mpharris36]

How does trading KAT and OG or Mikal and whatever else for Giannis make us a better team?

It doesn’t which is why Leon passed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think people are willfully forgetting some soft KAT playoff performances this playoffs - especially on defense.

And they're definitely forgetting how extremely mediocre Mikal Bridges was all season and playoffs except for that one defensive play in Boston.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/idApc5v_kVk

we don't beat DET without KAT. Dude had b2b monster games on the road when the series was tied 1-1

some of his shot making for a player of his size is certainly taken for granted around here.

[robillionaire]

We’d have 2 top 10 players in the league on our roster and only one of them is a defensive liability. Which would hopefully make it easier to build a championship level defense with just one guy that you need to cover for.

it is a better pairing. but to be fair, you would probably have to make an additional trade or two to make the roster work perfectly and that could take a little time. but the roster right now doesn't work great either which is why mitch has to start.

That’s why I wouldn’t be super pumped to trade for him during the season but we’re probably not going to have a choice. It be tough to throw the rotations out of whack with our easiest path to the finals ever this season. We’d probably need to find a way to take back someone like portis or kuzma from them for the rotation to really make sense but we’ll still probably be too front court heavy afterwards with a pretty big hole at 2 guard.

Rotation would be like
Brunson Clarkson
Deuce? Brogdan
Mikal hart
Portis yabu
Giannis Mitch

If our season is going well we probably wouldn’t want to blow up the team for him at the deadline anyway. At this point we gotta root for the team we have which should be very good in theory and see where we are in the summer

[mpharris36]

it is a better pairing. but to be fair, you would probably have to make an additional trade or two to make the roster work perfectly and that could take a little time. but the roster right now doesn't work great either which is why mitch has to start.

That’s why I wouldn’t be super pumped to trade for him during the season but we’re probably not going to have a choice. It be tough to throw the rotations out of whack with our easiest path to the finals ever this season. We’d probably need to find a way to take back someone like portis or kuzma from them for the rotation to really make sense but we’ll still probably be too front court heavy afterwards with a pretty big hole at 2 guard.

Rotation would be like
Brunson Clarkson
Deuce? Brogdan
Mikal hart
Portis yabu
Giannis Mitch

If our season is going well we probably wouldn’t want to blow up the team for him at the deadline anyway. At this point we gotta root for the team we have which should be very good in theory and see where we are in the summer

THIS!

[sol537]

We’d have 2 top 10 players in the league on our roster and only one of them is a defensive liability. Which would hopefully make it easier to build a championship level defense with just one guy that you need to cover for.

it is a better pairing. but to be fair, you would probably have to make an additional trade or two to make the roster work perfectly and that could take a little time. but the roster right now doesn't work great either which is why mitch has to start.

Its a better pairing defensively for sure. I don't know if its a better pairing offensively. When Brunson has the ball Giannis really doesn't stretch the floor. It would be better in terms of using Brunson more off ball.

But like you said we would have to really change the dynamic of the team. Because if Giannis isn't going to play center you would need to find a center that can shoot which is hard to find. So you would have to change the entire composition of the roster.

I don't think anyone would say no to KAT for Giannis straight up...but we know that isn't happening. The real question is what else would the knicks have to give up the make MIL happy that also doesn't gut our roster because we aren't talking a 1 for 1 trade here...so we are losing in other areas and that is where it gets dicey.

When there's smoke, there's often fire... clearly, Leon and MIL have thrown out some scenarios. MIL probably wants to hold onto Giannis for as long as possible and I don't blame them. Once push comes to shove, I do believe they'll try to do right by him and get him to one of this top 3 destinations--NYK is clearly one of those.

KAT is the centerpiece. We'd have to find a 3rd team that would want him. A team like CHA, DET, NOP, or even TOR that wants an all-star talent they could pair with a dynamic guard to get into the playoffs consistently. That 3rd team would have to be willing to send young players and picks to MIL for Towns. That's challenge number one.

Challenge number two is making the math work under this crazy CBA with the remaining pieces. We have some remaining picks to toss into the package and then we'd have to toss in one or two more players and probably take back one "bad" contract. I do think it's 50-50 Giannis gets traded within the next 12 months and we probably have the highest chance to get him.

Woj (before he left) and Shams have both hinted at this. As long as it's a fair trade, I'm all for pairing JB with Giannis for a couple of title runs in NY. Both guys are dogs. I think it's a better fit than JB and KAT or Giannis and old man Lillard.

[mpharris36]

it is a better pairing. but to be fair, you would probably have to make an additional trade or two to make the roster work perfectly and that could take a little time. but the roster right now doesn't work great either which is why mitch has to start.

Its a better pairing defensively for sure. I don't know if its a better pairing offensively. When Brunson has the ball Giannis really doesn't stretch the floor. It would be better in terms of using Brunson more off ball.

But like you said we would have to really change the dynamic of the team. Because if Giannis isn't going to play center you would need to find a center that can shoot which is hard to find. So you would have to change the entire composition of the roster.

I don't think anyone would say no to KAT for Giannis straight up...but we know that isn't happening. The real question is what else would the knicks have to give up the make MIL happy that also doesn't gut our roster because we aren't talking a 1 for 1 trade here...so we are losing in other areas and that is where it gets dicey.

When there's smoke, there's often fire... clearly, Leon and MIL have thrown out some scenarios. MIL probably wants to hold onto Giannis for as long as possible and I don't blame them. Once push comes to shove, I do believe they'll try to do right by him and get him to one of this top 3 destinations--NYK is clearly one of those.

KAT is the centerpiece. We'd have to find a 3rd team that would want him. A team like CHA, DET, NOP, or even TOR that wants an all-star talent they could pair with a dynamic guard to get into the playoffs consistently. That 3rd team would have to be willing to send young players and picks to MIL for Towns. That's challenge number one.

Challenge number two is making the math work under this crazy CBA with the remaining pieces. We have some remaining picks to toss into the package and then we'd have to toss in one or two more players and probably take back one "bad" contract. I do think it's 50-50 Giannis gets traded within the next 12 months and we probably have the highest chance to get him.

Woj (before he left) and Shams have both hinted at this. As long as it's a fair trade, I'm all for pairing JB with Giannis for a couple of title runs in NY. Both guys are dogs. I think it's a better fit than JB and KAT or Giannis and old man Lillard.

I hear what your saying. I don't think MIL completely wants to tank...how could they? They don't own any of there own picks for years...they would basically be doing another team a solid unless in these 3-4 team trade scenario we can send something of value to another team to get MIL back one or two of there 1st rounders they traded away. That surely would help interest them into a deal.

I don't think we need to rush and I agree there is certainly smoke here...but Leon isn't going to just start putting together deals without knowing MIL is fully committed to trade Giannis. I think this is just the tip of the iceberg. They get off to a rough start they might be willing to move him at deadline...I agree I think he gets moved next offseason at the latest but at that point we would have two years of Brunson/KAT to see how that works especially under a new system.

[god shammgod]

We’d have 2 top 10 players in the league on our roster and only one of them is a defensive liability. Which would hopefully make it easier to build a championship level defense with just one guy that you need to cover for.

it is a better pairing. but to be fair, you would probably have to make an additional trade or two to make the roster work perfectly and that could take a little time. but the roster right now doesn't work great either which is why mitch has to start.

Its a better pairing defensively for sure. I don't know if its a better pairing offensively. When Brunson has the ball Giannis really doesn't stretch the floor. It would be better in terms of using Brunson more off ball.

But like you said we would have to really change the dynamic of the team. Because if Giannis isn't going to play center you would need to find a center that can shoot which is hard to find. So you would have to change the entire composition of the roster.

I don't think anyone would say no to KAT for Giannis straight up...but we know that isn't happening. The real question is what else would the knicks have to give up the make MIL happy that also doesn't gut our roster because we aren't talking a 1 for 1 trade here...so we are losing in other areas and that is where it gets dicey.

did kat and brunson play well off each other last year at all ? it was basically just my turn, your turn. we started playing them less and less together because kat was kind of forgotten when jalen was on the floor. so if we're going to do that, give me the guy who can average 30 in his sleep even when there's nobody else of consequence on the roster with him.

[stuporman]

[god shammgod]

in the end, there probably will be some other teams he's willing to go to and they'll likely offer better packages.

[robillionaire]

Its a better pairing defensively for sure. I don't know if its a better pairing offensively. When Brunson has the ball Giannis really doesn't stretch the floor. It would be better in terms of using Brunson more off ball.

But like you said we would have to really change the dynamic of the team. Because if Giannis isn't going to play center you would need to find a center that can shoot which is hard to find. So you would have to change the entire composition of the roster.

I don't think anyone would say no to KAT for Giannis straight up...but we know that isn't happening. The real question is what else would the knicks have to give up the make MIL happy that also doesn't gut our roster because we aren't talking a 1 for 1 trade here...so we are losing in other areas and that is where it gets dicey.

When there's smoke, there's often fire... clearly, Leon and MIL have thrown out some scenarios. MIL probably wants to hold onto Giannis for as long as possible and I don't blame them. Once push comes to shove, I do believe they'll try to do right by him and get him to one of this top 3 destinations--NYK is clearly one of those.

KAT is the centerpiece. We'd have to find a 3rd team that would want him. A team like CHA, DET, NOP, or even TOR that wants an all-star talent they could pair with a dynamic guard to get into the playoffs consistently. That 3rd team would have to be willing to send young players and picks to MIL for Towns. That's challenge number one.

Challenge number two is making the math work under this crazy CBA with the remaining pieces. We have some remaining picks to toss into the package and then we'd have to toss in one or two more players and probably take back one "bad" contract. I do think it's 50-50 Giannis gets traded within the next 12 months and we probably have the highest chance to get him.

Woj (before he left) and Shams have both hinted at this. As long as it's a fair trade, I'm all for pairing JB with Giannis for a couple of title runs in NY. Both guys are dogs. I think it's a better fit than JB and KAT or Giannis and old man Lillard.

I hear what your saying. I don't think MIL completely wants to tank...how could they? They don't own any of there own picks for years...they would basically be doing another team a solid unless in these 3-4 team trade scenario we can send something of value to another team to get MIL back one or two of there 1st rounders they traded away. That surely would help interest them into a deal.

I don't think we need to rush and I agree there is certainly smoke here...but Leon isn't going to just start putting together deals without knowing MIL is fully committed to trade Giannis. I think this is just the tip of the iceberg. They get off to a rough start they might be willing to move him at deadline...I agree I think he gets moved next offseason at the latest but at that point we would have two years of Brunson/KAT to see how that works especially under a new system.

I wouldn’t even say last year was a failure. We won 50+ games and soundly defeated the #1 seed former nba champs and we would have been in the finals if they turned the rim magnets off in ECF game 1. And one of our biggest weaknesses was our complete lack of depth and I think we went a long way to addressing that bringing in the 2021 6th man of the year and the 2023 6th man of the year. And an intriguing player like yabusele. If Thibs coaching was as bad as people say there’s room for improvement in that dept, Mike Brown wasn’t my choice for replacement so the verdict is still out there. But at least he should be able to keep starters minutes lower. And keep in mind Mitch missed the majority of the season as well and we really could have used his depth at times. He could have lightened the load on towns. We have a very good team. Don’t want to say great unless we win it all but very good.