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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread Cont'd - Where the Center At? 

Post#2301 » by spree2kawhi » Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:40 pm

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Iron Mantis wrote:
Wildcat wrote:
Heh, this is such a garbage article worthy of toilet reading.

Why?


I don't regard Empire Sports Media highly. There's not even a connective link in the article.

Randle’s role may undergo further changes with the acquisition of Mikal Bridges and the extension of OG Anunoby. Bridges, known for his versatility and scoring, could push Randle down to the third option in the Knicks’ pecking order. Last season, Randle averaged 24 points per game, while Bridges put up 19.6 points over 34.8 minutes per game with the Brooklyn Nets.


Okay. What's the reason? Why is Bridges pushing Randle to a 3rd option? Because of previous injuries? But then he follows up by saying:

Bridges‘ value extends beyond his scoring ability—his durability has been unmatched throughout his career. He played in all 82 games last season and hasn’t played fewer than 72 games in any season. The Knicks will rely on his consistency and expect him to play heavy minutes, helping ease the load on Randle, who has been a workhorse for the Knicks for years. Despite his recent injury, the Knicks are counting on Randle to return to form, playing more than 35 minutes per game.


You say he's going to be pushed out, but then say he's expected to return to form? Where's the connection?

It's not a good article and the idea that Bridges should be the 2nd option isn't a great idea at all. Teams are not going to double Bridges as much as they'll double Randle. I want Bridges outside shooting and slashing is perfect for a 3rd option.

Randle is too good offensively to be pushed down, if something like that is even a real thing. Bridges isn’t more reliable than him. Randle is good, I’ve always been saying that. If anything, more reliable shooting would be a real upgrade over Randle (but not any shooter, which is why I keep coming back to Towns, but let’s not go there). Bridges is great to have - as a third option.

Now if Bridges’s shot isn’t falling anymore, I’m not concerned either. We have DDV too. It’s all good.
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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread Cont'd - Where the Center At? 

Post#2302 » by Iron Mantis » Fri Sep 20, 2024 2:00 pm

Wildcat wrote:
Iron Mantis wrote:
Wildcat wrote:
Heh, this is such a garbage article worthy of toilet reading.

Why?


I don't regard Empire Sports Media highly. There's not even a connective link in the article.

Randle’s role may undergo further changes with the acquisition of Mikal Bridges and the extension of OG Anunoby. Bridges, known for his versatility and scoring, could push Randle down to the third option in the Knicks’ pecking order. Last season, Randle averaged 24 points per game, while Bridges put up 19.6 points over 34.8 minutes per game with the Brooklyn Nets.


Okay. What's the reason? Why is Bridges pushing Randle to a 3rd option? Because of previous injuries? But then he follows up by saying:

Bridges‘ value extends beyond his scoring ability—his durability has been unmatched throughout his career. He played in all 82 games last season and hasn’t played fewer than 72 games in any season. The Knicks will rely on his consistency and expect him to play heavy minutes, helping ease the load on Randle, who has been a workhorse for the Knicks for years. Despite his recent injury, the Knicks are counting on Randle to return to form, playing more than 35 minutes per game.


You say he's going to be pushed out, but then say he's expected to return to form? Where's the connection?

It's not a good article and the idea that Bridges should be the 2nd option isn't a great idea at all. Teams are not going to double Bridges as much as they'll double Randle. Bridges outside shooting and slashing is perfect for a 3rd option. He can do more with less.


The writer develops his point as the article goes on. Which is basically Randle becoming more Drandle.

It says that Randle is not any less important to the team, but because Bridges is also a dynamic scorer, Randle can evolve into more of a facilitator role with his assist numbers going up as well as his rebounds and defense.

IMO Randle averaging an efficient 19-10-7 while giving 110% on defense is better than him scoring higher in the regular season and then trying to carry over that scoring first, no defense mentality into the playoffs where his offense so far doesn't translate..
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Post#2303 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Fri Sep 20, 2024 2:11 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:I don’t think I remember it looking this pronounced
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Might be the angle of the first few shoots? It looks "normal" when he's shooting from the left side. But yeah, the first few shoots do seem a bit hitchy.

Yeah maybe its just the angle. Hopefully I'm just overreacting lol


He’s not really elevating on those shots either. Maybe it’s just some work out thing?
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Post#2304 » by 3toheadmelo » Fri Sep 20, 2024 2:28 pm

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Might be the angle of the first few shoots? It looks "normal" when he's shooting from the left side. But yeah, the first few shoots do seem a bit hitchy.

Yeah maybe its just the angle. Hopefully I'm just overreacting lol


He’s not really elevating on those shots either. Maybe it’s just some work out thing?

Could be that too
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Post#2305 » by sol537 » Fri Sep 20, 2024 2:31 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:Yeah maybe its just the angle. Hopefully I'm just overreacting lol


He’s not really elevating on those shots either. Maybe it’s just some work out thing?

Could be that too


He's always had a bit of a hitch... he's got a high release, long-ass arms, and shoots three's at a near 40% clip... everyone chill :lol:

I'm just hoping Mikal gets the NY Nova bump like Brunson, Hart, and DDV got when they got here :D
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Post#2306 » by spree2kawhi » Fri Sep 20, 2024 3:48 pm

sol537 wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
jvsimonetti0514 wrote:
He’s not really elevating on those shots either. Maybe it’s just some work out thing?

Could be that too


He's always had a bit of a hitch... he's got a high release, long-ass arms, and shoots three's at a near 40% clip... everyone chill :lol:

I'm just hoping Mikal gets the NY Nova bump like Brunson, Hart, and DDV got when they got here :D

That’s what I thought too.
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Post#2307 » by Wildcat » Fri Sep 20, 2024 3:57 pm

Iron Mantis wrote:
Wildcat wrote:
Iron Mantis wrote:Why?


I don't regard Empire Sports Media highly. There's not even a connective link in the article.

Randle’s role may undergo further changes with the acquisition of Mikal Bridges and the extension of OG Anunoby. Bridges, known for his versatility and scoring, could push Randle down to the third option in the Knicks’ pecking order. Last season, Randle averaged 24 points per game, while Bridges put up 19.6 points over 34.8 minutes per game with the Brooklyn Nets.


Okay. What's the reason? Why is Bridges pushing Randle to a 3rd option? Because of previous injuries? But then he follows up by saying:

Bridges‘ value extends beyond his scoring ability—his durability has been unmatched throughout his career. He played in all 82 games last season and hasn’t played fewer than 72 games in any season. The Knicks will rely on his consistency and expect him to play heavy minutes, helping ease the load on Randle, who has been a workhorse for the Knicks for years. Despite his recent injury, the Knicks are counting on Randle to return to form, playing more than 35 minutes per game.


You say he's going to be pushed out, but then say he's expected to return to form? Where's the connection?

It's not a good article and the idea that Bridges should be the 2nd option isn't a great idea at all. Teams are not going to double Bridges as much as they'll double Randle. Bridges outside shooting and slashing is perfect for a 3rd option. He can do more with less.


The writer develops his point as the article goes on. Which is basically Randle becoming more Drandle.

It says that Randle is not any less important to the team, but because Bridges is also a dynamic scorer, Randle can evolve into more of a facilitator role with his assist numbers going up as well as his rebounds and defense.

IMO Randle averaging an efficient 19-10-7 while giving 110% on defense is better than him scoring higher in the regular season and then trying to carry over that scoring first, no defense mentality into the playoffs where his offense so far doesn't translate..


Randle's playoff exposure is overexaggerated. I've gone into length about it, but at the end of the day, Randle didn't have the supporting cast to succeed in the playoff prior to JB, and playing on a bum ankle didn't do him any favors (you don't shoot 70% from the FT line unless you're having issues planting that foot). I mean, he didn't get surgery to save face. I have no doubt Randle will exorcise these demons.

The title of your article can't be, "The Knicks might have a new No. 2 scorer" then follow-up by saying "Brunson can certainly carry the offense on his own, but the presence of multiple elite secondary options like Bridges and Randle gives the Knicks a well-rounded and dangerous attack. This dynamic may also allow Randle to focus on other areas of his game, rather than having to be the primary scorer every night." It's a sensational headline.

Title should have been, "The Knicks Have Elite 2nd Options", and that's very true. But, aside from JB, Randle is still going to get the most attention out there, regardless.
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Post#2308 » by 3toheadmelo » Fri Sep 20, 2024 3:59 pm

sol537 wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
jvsimonetti0514 wrote:
He’s not really elevating on those shots either. Maybe it’s just some work out thing?

Could be that too


He's always had a bit of a hitch... he's got a high release, long-ass arms, and shoots three's at a near 40% clip... everyone chill :lol:

I'm just hoping Mikal gets the NY Nova bump like Brunson, Hart, and DDV got when they got here :D

I know he always had a hitch I remember talking about it years ago. It just looks wild in that video :lol: it's probably nothing and could just be a workout thing for his form
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Post#2309 » by Wildcat » Fri Sep 20, 2024 4:05 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:
Wildcat wrote:
Iron Mantis wrote:Why?


I don't regard Empire Sports Media highly. There's not even a connective link in the article.

Randle’s role may undergo further changes with the acquisition of Mikal Bridges and the extension of OG Anunoby. Bridges, known for his versatility and scoring, could push Randle down to the third option in the Knicks’ pecking order. Last season, Randle averaged 24 points per game, while Bridges put up 19.6 points over 34.8 minutes per game with the Brooklyn Nets.


Okay. What's the reason? Why is Bridges pushing Randle to a 3rd option? Because of previous injuries? But then he follows up by saying:

Bridges‘ value extends beyond his scoring ability—his durability has been unmatched throughout his career. He played in all 82 games last season and hasn’t played fewer than 72 games in any season. The Knicks will rely on his consistency and expect him to play heavy minutes, helping ease the load on Randle, who has been a workhorse for the Knicks for years. Despite his recent injury, the Knicks are counting on Randle to return to form, playing more than 35 minutes per game.


You say he's going to be pushed out, but then say he's expected to return to form? Where's the connection?

It's not a good article and the idea that Bridges should be the 2nd option isn't a great idea at all. Teams are not going to double Bridges as much as they'll double Randle. I want Bridges outside shooting and slashing is perfect for a 3rd option.


Randle is too good offensively to be pushed down, if something like that is even a real thing. Bridges isn’t more reliable than him. Randle is good, I’ve always been saying that. If anything, more reliable shooting would be a real upgrade over Randle (but not any shooter, which is why I keep coming back to Towns, but let’s not go there). Bridges is great to have - as a third option.

Now if Bridges’s shot isn’t falling anymore, I’m not concerned either. We have DDV too. It’s all good.


One of my friends brought up the other day if he ends up playing the I-Hart role more than we think, he can see Randle averaging more assists than JB. I wouldn't go that far in saying that because JB benefits from Randle and Mikal just as much as Randle benefits JB and Mikal. Honestly, Mikal is going to have so many open shots he's not going to know what to do with the ball.
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Post#2310 » by Iron Mantis » Fri Sep 20, 2024 4:19 pm

Wildcat wrote:
Iron Mantis wrote:
Wildcat wrote:
I don't regard Empire Sports Media highly. There's not even a connective link in the article.



Okay. What's the reason? Why is Bridges pushing Randle to a 3rd option? Because of previous injuries? But then he follows up by saying:



You say he's going to be pushed out, but then say he's expected to return to form? Where's the connection?

It's not a good article and the idea that Bridges should be the 2nd option isn't a great idea at all. Teams are not going to double Bridges as much as they'll double Randle. Bridges outside shooting and slashing is perfect for a 3rd option. He can do more with less.


The writer develops his point as the article goes on. Which is basically Randle becoming more Drandle.

It says that Randle is not any less important to the team, but because Bridges is also a dynamic scorer, Randle can evolve into more of a facilitator role with his assist numbers going up as well as his rebounds and defense.

IMO Randle averaging an efficient 19-10-7 while giving 110% on defense is better than him scoring higher in the regular season and then trying to carry over that scoring first, no defense mentality into the playoffs where his offense so far doesn't translate..


Randle's playoff exposure is overexaggerated. I've gone into length about it, but at the end of the day, Randle didn't have the supporting cast to succeed in the playoff prior to JB, and playing on a bum ankle didn't do him any favors (you don't shoot 70% from the FT line unless you're having issues planting that foot). I mean, he didn't get surgery to save face. I have no doubt Randle will exorcise these demons.

The title of your article can't be, "The Knicks might have a new No. 2 scorer" then follow-up by saying "Brunson can certainly carry the offense on his own, but the presence of multiple elite secondary options like Bridges and Randle gives the Knicks a well-rounded and dangerous attack. This dynamic may also allow Randle to focus on other areas of his game, rather than having to be the primary scorer every night." It's a sensational headline.

Title should have been, "The Knicks Have Elite 2nd Options", and that's very true. But, aside from JB, Randle is still going to get the most attention out there, regardless.

The headline is fine. You just didn't like it at first glance so you made your snide remark about the article before you even read it. :lol: it's all good.

Randle doesn't make excuses so he really doesn't need anyone formulating mathematical equations and scientific theories on why he sucked in the playoffs...

He has not been given a contract extension by the Knicks yet. His future here is uncertain.

This is Brunson's team. Nova boys are the core. Mikal is here as long as Brunson is here. He could end up being #2 by default.

It would be in Randle's best interest to show he can do more than chuck new historically low percentages in the playoffs. Play some defense and facilitate more. Be more versatile.
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Post#2311 » by sol537 » Fri Sep 20, 2024 4:27 pm

I too want to see Randle up his defense, hustle, and efficiency. Lower overall stats with higher efficiency should be enough to help us get the #1 seed. We got so many weapons. It's gonna be glorious.
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Post#2312 » by Iron Mantis » Fri Sep 20, 2024 4:46 pm

sol537 wrote:I too want to see Randle up his defense, hustle, and efficiency. Lower overall stats with higher efficiency should be enough to help us get the #1 seed. We got so many weapons. It's gonna be glorious.

Defense, hustle, less chucking, quick and decisive kickouts.... Those things can 110% translate during playoff intensity basketball.

If he's willing to be that type of player the Knicks can win it all.

But if he takes the bait into chucking away and focusing only on offense, things could end badly.
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Post#2313 » by Wildcat » Fri Sep 20, 2024 5:06 pm

Iron Mantis wrote:
Wildcat wrote:
Iron Mantis wrote:
The writer develops his point as the article goes on. Which is basically Randle becoming more Drandle.

It says that Randle is not any less important to the team, but because Bridges is also a dynamic scorer, Randle can evolve into more of a facilitator role with his assist numbers going up as well as his rebounds and defense.

IMO Randle averaging an efficient 19-10-7 while giving 110% on defense is better than him scoring higher in the regular season and then trying to carry over that scoring first, no defense mentality into the playoffs where his offense so far doesn't translate..


Randle's playoff exposure is overexaggerated. I've gone into length about it, but at the end of the day, Randle didn't have the supporting cast to succeed in the playoff prior to JB, and playing on a bum ankle didn't do him any favors (you don't shoot 70% from the FT line unless you're having issues planting that foot). I mean, he didn't get surgery to save face. I have no doubt Randle will exorcise these demons.

The title of your article can't be, "The Knicks might have a new No. 2 scorer" then follow-up by saying "Brunson can certainly carry the offense on his own, but the presence of multiple elite secondary options like Bridges and Randle gives the Knicks a well-rounded and dangerous attack. This dynamic may also allow Randle to focus on other areas of his game, rather than having to be the primary scorer every night." It's a sensational headline.

Title should have been, "The Knicks Have Elite 2nd Options", and that's very true. But, aside from JB, Randle is still going to get the most attention out there, regardless.

The headline is fine. You just didn't like it at first glance so you made your snide remark about the article before you even read it. :lol: it's all good.

Randle doesn't make excuses so he really doesn't need anyone formulating mathematical equations and scientific theories on why he sucked in the playoffs...

He has not been given a contract extension by the Knicks yet. His future here is uncertain.

This is Brunson's team. Nova boys are the core. Mikal is here as long as Brunson is here. He could end up being #2 by default.

It would be in Randle's best interest to show he can do more than chuck new historically low percentages in the playoffs. Play some defense and facilitate more. Be more versatile.


I have a writing background. Trust me. I hate that title.

Neither side are rushing to it to an extension. He wouldn't have returned to CA if he wasn't going to resign. The only real "insider" source that an extension won't be signed at all is from Lowe, and we already know he has ulterior motives. For all we know both parties already agreed to wait until mid-season or next offseason. That's not information we'll ever know. So long as everyone's saying the right thing (Thibs, Randle), I don't see this contract extension as an issue.

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Post#2314 » by Iron Mantis » Fri Sep 20, 2024 5:14 pm

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Randle's playoff exposure is overexaggerated. I've gone into length about it, but at the end of the day, Randle didn't have the supporting cast to succeed in the playoff prior to JB, and playing on a bum ankle didn't do him any favors (you don't shoot 70% from the FT line unless you're having issues planting that foot). I mean, he didn't get surgery to save face. I have no doubt Randle will exorcise these demons.

The title of your article can't be, "The Knicks might have a new No. 2 scorer" then follow-up by saying "Brunson can certainly carry the offense on his own, but the presence of multiple elite secondary options like Bridges and Randle gives the Knicks a well-rounded and dangerous attack. This dynamic may also allow Randle to focus on other areas of his game, rather than having to be the primary scorer every night." It's a sensational headline.

Title should have been, "The Knicks Have Elite 2nd Options", and that's very true. But, aside from JB, Randle is still going to get the most attention out there, regardless.

The headline is fine. You just didn't like it at first glance so you made your snide remark about the article before you even read it. :lol: it's all good.

Randle doesn't make excuses so he really doesn't need anyone formulating mathematical equations and scientific theories on why he sucked in the playoffs...

He has not been given a contract extension by the Knicks yet. His future here is uncertain.

This is Brunson's team. Nova boys are the core. Mikal is here as long as Brunson is here. He could end up being #2 by default.

It would be in Randle's best interest to show he can do more than chuck new historically low percentages in the playoffs. Play some defense and facilitate more. Be more versatile.


I have a writing background. Trust me. I hate that title.

Neither side are rushing to it to an extension. He wouldn't have returned to CA if he wasn't going to resign. The only real "insider" source that an extension won't be signed at all is from Lowe, and we already know he has ulterior motives. For all we know both parties already agreed to wait until mid-season or next offseason. That's not information we'll ever know. So long as everyone's saying the right thing (Thibs, Randle), I don't see this contract extension as an issue.

I'll happy put
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Post#2315 » by 3toheadmelo » Fri Sep 20, 2024 5:17 pm

Is Randle still a Knick yet?
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Post#2316 » by Guano » Fri Sep 20, 2024 5:18 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:We might be cooked I just saw a new clip of mikal working out and it looks like the hitch is back in his jumper wtf


I'm not about that noise right now. Stay in your lane.

But seriously, when did it go away?

I don’t think I remember it looking this pronounced
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Post#2317 » by Wildcat » Fri Sep 20, 2024 5:18 pm

Iron Mantis wrote:
Wildcat wrote:
Iron Mantis wrote:The headline is fine. You just didn't like it at first glance so you made your snide remark about the article before you even read it. :lol: it's all good.

Randle doesn't make excuses so he really doesn't need anyone formulating mathematical equations and scientific theories on why he sucked in the playoffs...

He has not been given a contract extension by the Knicks yet. His future here is uncertain.

This is Brunson's team. Nova boys are the core. Mikal is here as long as Brunson is here. He could end up being #2 by default.

It would be in Randle's best interest to show he can do more than chuck new historically low percentages in the playoffs. Play some defense and facilitate more. Be more versatile.


I have a writing background. Trust me. I hate that title.

Neither side are rushing to it to an extension. He wouldn't have returned to CA if he wasn't going to resign. The only real "insider" source that an extension won't be signed at all is from Lowe, and we already know he has ulterior motives. For all we know both parties already agreed to wait until mid-season or next offseason. That's not information we'll ever know. So long as everyone's saying the right thing (Thibs, Randle), I don't see this contract extension as an issue.

I'll happy put
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Post#2318 » by Iron Mantis » Fri Sep 20, 2024 6:03 pm

Wildcat wrote:
Iron Mantis wrote:
Wildcat wrote:
I have a writing background. Trust me. I hate that title.

Neither side are rushing to it to an extension. He wouldn't have returned to CA if he wasn't going to resign. The only real "insider" source that an extension won't be signed at all is from Lowe, and we already know he has ulterior motives. For all we know both parties already agreed to wait until mid-season or next offseason. That's not information we'll ever know. So long as everyone's saying the right thing (Thibs, Randle), I don't see this contract extension as an issue.

I'll happy put
Spoiler:
money
where my mouth is that on Randle's playoff performance
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I personally would not bet against Randle because I am not okay with betting against the success of my own team.

But I surely would not bet on him either. :lol:

I am okay with simply remaining hopeful that he will do well.

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Post#2319 » by Guano » Fri Sep 20, 2024 6:09 pm

Damn we lost iHart and now Rebecca.
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Post#2320 » by Wildcat » Fri Sep 20, 2024 6:33 pm

Guano wrote:Damn we lost iHart and now Rebecca.


Ah, nuts. I enjoyed her. Though she rethink the business name (Rebecca Haarlow Communications). :o

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