thebuzzardman wrote:
I realize I have 14 pages to catch up to, so this is probably answered, but will KAT's salary truly push them over as it increases?
I'm not doubting you, I'm just wondering. Like, in past CBAs, there was salary that was taken on, that teams paid, that didn't count; pretty sure that was when teams re-signed their own FA. How the NBA wanted to encourage star players to stay on their original team etc.
So, as of right now, we know the Knicks are flirting with the 2nd apron, but haven't gone over. I'll assume they don't go over this season.
I know Aller is really good at managing this stuff so I'd be surprised if he was onboard with the Knicks making a move that pushes them over the 2nd apron, at the least, early in the deal - the only thing I could possibly think is that he caved and figured going over in KAT's final season or two might be a compromise he was willing to make. Obviously the ultimate decision is with Leon Rose so maybe Aller's advice got overruled.
If true, it's problematic, as Knicks will have to shed a low-mid to mid sized contract in a few years. Like a Hart sized one. Or Mitch.
Richard4444444 or BX#&H5J%8 usually understand this stuff. StLouisHawks guy too.
*edit - Was Brock Aller the voice in the Knicks FO alluded to as "Not everyone in Knicks FO likes the deal" ?
Just signing 3 vet minimums to fill the roster brings us over the second apron. That's why we're moving off Morris (been in the league too long his minimum is over 3 million), and why we're shopping Mitch.
thebuzzardman wrote:But iHart was already gone, and if that's the fault of the FO, it was one that already happened. Not going to go over the long debate over it, but essentially the FO didn't sign him to a deal that secured bird rights (fail?) and then OKC did a large payday the Knicks couldn't beat, being capped out at 17 or 18 million per, and he took the payday, as usually happens.
After that, we've lost Donte. That's the difference in the bench. Other than Burks and Bogs, who were deadline additions and not that good.
I'm not exactly weeping over losing Bates-Diop, who got stuffed into this trade after being Bridges trade filler, though he would have been nice as a tall athletic solid pro.
I get Morris and Shamet got cut so the Knicks could S&T Jeffries, Brown etc as part of sending salary to Charlotte, but I think one of them comes back.
Which bench are we talking about?
The one that began last season when Knicks still had iHart, Grimes starting, and Donte off the bench, but not Mitch, because he was hurt? Damn, almost forgot that had IQ too
The trade deadline one where the Knicks briefly had Mitch, Bogs, Burks and Donte starting?
The theoretical one that never made it to this season with Donte, Bates-Diop, Mitch- but he's out half the year, Payne, Precious, Morris or Shamet (probably Morris)?
Hart & Precious on all the benches, except the start of last season
Now it's Precious, Hart, Deuce, Payne, with Morris or Shamet probably clearing waivers and coming back. That's a good bench.
Before this move we had assets to trade for other players. We could've easily picked up some depth while solidifying the C position I floated some names earlier. Hell Ayton can be added to the list of players I named too we seen him go to the Finals when properly motivated to play defense.
Yes this is in theory, but that's the point in stockpiling assets in the first place, to capitalize off their value. I don't think KAT is capitalizing off the value of the assets we got, I think KAT is a negative value asset. The Wolves should've gave us a pick and a bench player to take his contract off their hands not vice versa.
thebuzzardman wrote:
Jokic is a generational passer at C, probably the best all time, and is capable of spreading the floor by shooting 3s and operating as a league best passer from the perimeter. He's absolutely stretching the floor, though not the way people are saying KAT will.
AG does play almost entirely inside, that's true
We literally just watched Jokic lose both in the playoffs and Olympics because teams schemed to leave him wide open from deep and he smoked wide open looks consistently.
He shot 26% from deep in the playoffs last year, they're yapping about KAT's defense against him while not mentioning KAT only looked great defending him because he gave Jokic the 3 ball and he shot 4-21. That man can shoot, especially from midrange, he is not a shooter. He's low volume and he's occasionally hot but mostly cold.
thebuzzardman wrote:
Would you still make that Deuce/Kessler trade now?
What if the Knicks made that deal and then moved Mitch for a 4?
I would but according to others Utah didn't want it I guess. Mitch doesn't need to be moved to a 4 IMO we got OG and Hart and has Morris before this trade that's a good rotation at the 4 even without Jules.
thebuzzardman wrote:
Trust me, this stuff confuses the sh*t out of me, but since the Knicks are already 2nd apron, don't they have to trade Mitch for an equal value trade?
Meaning they can't clear cap space by trading Mitch
Or do you mean the Knicks will do a 1 for 2 or 1 for 3 trade with Mitch going out and 2 or 3 role players coming back?
It's only equal value if the trade doesn't bring you below the apron, and technically until we fill the last 3 roster spots we aren't over the 2nd apron so the 125% rule is still in play. I have no idea of what type of move we're doing to get Mitch out though so I can't say.
