1/16 Orlando Postgame thread

[dk7th]

Amare not starting = Unicorn lineup

we lack depth and chemistry.

moving stat to the bench creates depth and he will fare better against bench players.

let him work pick and roll with lin, have floor spacing with walker, throw jordan, balkman, and douglas out there with stat.

You can give me all the reasons you want. Some of them might even make sense, but we both know that will never ever happen. No matter who the coach is.

look i know it's all part of a grand illusion but it beats complaining. and none of us would bother making suggestions if we didn't think they were worth a shot. are you implying that stoudemire would object?

[Sprewell4Three]

Carmelo 1-8 from 3 today!

We're shooting 31% from 3 this season as a team, yet we've attempted the most 3's.

We have no right to be shooting this much no right at all. Orlando is shooting 40% as a team because they actually have shooters!

It baffles me how this coaching staff doesn't understand this. We have to find other ways to score.

[mpharris36]

Right...Thibs would be better for defense, but he wouldn't help at all on the offensive end (which is what you were alluding to in your previous post, if I understood it correctly).

Amar'e has used his hook shot once all season...and that was against the 6ers. If he has one, he sure as hell isn't showing it/using it.

but would tibs allow his PF to spend the offseason working on his 3 pt shooting???

i think he would tell him to work on his back to the basket game and study defense defense defense...not shoot 3's!!!!!!!!!!

You can study defense all you want, but until you actually practice/use it in games, you will not see much improvement. He should have worked on his post game...dude, I'm not denying that...but to say that Thibs would improve this offense (which I think you were alluding to before) is blasphemous.

i think ur mis understanding my point....tibs isn't coming here nor do i think he would be the best fit for this team either....however i want a new coach....i don't know all the candidates out there but i think this team could be much better with a more hands on in your face coach rather then this "let them play" attitude coach.


thats all im trying to say.

[GONYK]

How does one work on D by himself?

watch film. tell him to look at how KG plays...give him film of the best rebounders to show how to block out...all im saying is Mike D has been amare coach pretty much since coming out of High School....it has all he has known. There is a reason Amare hasn't learned a post up game, learned to box out, or learned to play on ball defense...he is a good athlete where these things should not be a problem...when do u look at the coach?

He can watch film all he wants, it won't make him a better defender in an actual game with an actual team around him.

When do you look at the player for just being low IQ and not wanting to bang physically?

[TKF]

That's exactly my point. The Magic have shooters that actually make shots. We don't.

we had tons of open shots too. we just can't make.

and when you can't make.. you bring in someone that can.. someone that actually in the league for that reason, and that reason only...

[K_ick_God]

For $100M we get a PF who doesn't pay attention on defense.

Mike is a bargain

Amar'e turned us around in year 1. Mike continues to hurt us in year 4.

[2010]

Oh yeah, honorable mention SOTN goes to Turkeyglue for that ugly bankshot 3 that he hit with his eyes closed. Dude plays wit his eyelids looking like he just left a late 80's Harlem methodone clinic. LOL

[MaseInYourFace]

I am at the point where I am starting to wonder why the hell I even waste my time with this team. They show no consistency, the coach is a effing moron, Amare is lost in space and our guard play is beyond atrocious. I don't see any of this changing soon. These guys sucks.

Like I said b4 I am hopeful because it is still really early even with it being a short season and all. But Dantoni let's the air out of the hope balloon. I just think our ceiling with him is low. Yeah I know what coach out there would do better with the team right now, yadda yadda but still I'd honestly would rather get someone else in for rest of year...

[br7knicks]

you're probably right about JJord with Jorts, but Jorts can hit the 3. i think the coach likes those players.

but balkman could've taken any of walker's minutes

In the way our rotation is currently constructed, Walker and Balkman are two completely different players.

As much of a liability as Walker might be, he is almost exclusively our back-up shooting guard to Fields. Walkers gets very few minutes at small forward. Balkman cannot playing shooting guard in anyway and that is why he doesn't get a lot of minutes, especially now with Jeffries back.

you don't think balkman could guard 2's? i think he'd do a better job than fields or walker. balkman is quick, and i do think he can play at the 2, mainly for defense. a shump/balkman/melo/amare/chandler lineup would be fine. all balkman needs to do is play defense, and he can keep up with 2's, at least better than walker or fields

[GONYK]

That's exactly my point. The Magic have shooters that actually make shots. We don't.

we had tons of open shots too. we just can't make.

and when you can't make.. you bring in someone that can.. someone that actually in the league for that reason, and that reason only...

Bingo

This game is the reason Novak is on the payroll

[KnicksScholar24]

TYSON CHANDLER
Excellent defensive game! This guy really exposed Dwight Howard for the fraudulent manufactured NBA superstar that he is. He is fully capable of defending Howard one-on-one and shut him down basically whenever they went head-to-head and were actually allowed to play.

Please, Howard just had a off game. If NY played the Magic in the 7-game series, Howard would MURDER Chandler 5-6 out of those 7 games.

Also Ryan Anderson isn't a scrub, therefore he can't be the SOTN. Almost every time I watch him play he's has over 20+ points by the end of the game. I'm not even going to acknowledge the Dwight Howard SOTN comment.

[GONYK]

you're probably right about JJord with Jorts, but Jorts can hit the 3. i think the coach likes those players.

but balkman could've taken any of walker's minutes

In the way our rotation is currently constructed, Walker and Balkman are two completely different players.

As much of a liability as Walker might be, he is almost exclusively our back-up shooting guard to Fields. Walkers gets very few minutes at small forward. Balkman cannot playing shooting guard in anyway and that is why he doesn't get a lot of minutes, especially now with Jeffries back.

you don't think balkman could guard 2's? i think he'd do a better job than fields or walker. balkman is quick, and i do think he can play at the 2, mainly for defense. a shump/balkman/melo/amare/chandler lineup would be fine. all balkman needs to do is play defense, and he can keep up with 2's, at least better than walker or fields

He can't play the 2 on offense though

[GONYK]

TYSON CHANDLER
Excellent defensive game! This guy really exposed Dwight Howard for the fraudulent manufactured NBA superstar that he is. He is fully capable of defending Howard one-on-one and shut him down basically whenever they went head-to-head and were actually allowed to play.

Please, Howard just had a off game. If NY played the Magic in the 7-game series, Howard would MURDER Chandler 5-6 out of those 7 games.

Also Ryan Anderson isn't a scrub, therefore he can't be the SOTN. Almost every time I watch him play he's has over 20+ points by the end of the game. I'm not even going to acknowledge the Dwight Howard SOTN comment.

Howard didn't have an off game. He just sucks on offense and Tyson neutralized him.

[KnicksScholar24]

You are wrong.

[mpharris36]

How does one work on D by himself?

watch film. tell him to look at how KG plays...give him film of the best rebounders to show how to block out...all im saying is Mike D has been amare coach pretty much since coming out of High School....it has all he has known. There is a reason Amare hasn't learned a post up game, learned to box out, or learned to play on ball defense...he is a good athlete where these things should not be a problem...when do u look at the coach?

He can watch film all he wants, it won't make him a better defender in an actual game with an actual team around him.

When do you look at the player for just being low IQ and not wanting to bang physically?

well we have 4 years 80 million invested in him or a lame duck coach...

i think im going to put in the effort trying to teach amare then listenting to this joke of a coach

[2010]

We lost this game because we were outcoached. Stan Van Gundy went to the zone defense and Mike D'Antoni (the offensive guru) had no offensive adjustment to offset SVG's defensive strategy. SVG showed great in-game adjustment skills to protect his star, Dwight Howard who had just picked up his 5th foul. We had no answers from there. Good coaching is often the deciding factor in close games between wins and losses.

IMAN SHUMPERT
Played good defense and has very quick, active hands. Needs to do a better job of fighting over NBA screens though, as he's constantly going under and forcing our big to switch, which creates mismatches. We got burned for 3pt shots because of this. Offensively he needs to drive to the rim and attack, attack, attack. He's an excellent FT shooter and a guy with his size, quickness and body should be making a living at the charity stripe. He's settling for too many jumpers. This game he was 2-4 from 3PT but he was again an inefficient 3-9FG overall. He'll be a much more efficient player offensively if he draws fouls. I am still high on him, he just needs better coaching.

LANDRY FIELDS
I'm pretty down on this guy. Don't really see any light at the end of the tunnel for him. I think he's a bad fit for this team and especially in our starting lineup miscast as a SG when he's really a SF. Really got burned by Redick a few times, leaving him open in the corner because he doesn't have the foot speed to defend 2's who run off screens. Offensively he is vaginesque and a liability out there. He hurts us on both ends so he's undeserving of playing anywhere near 30mpg. When Davis returns I'd hope it renders him as the 9th man, slotted behind Douglas, Harrelson and Jeffries off the bench.

CARMELO ANTHONY
I'll cut him some slack as he's playing hurt and gutting it out for the team in an effort to keep us afloat. He got to the FT line a ton today and had some pretty assists. But he forces things in his "get mine" moments and really disrupts the offensive flow with some bad shot attempts. He needs to just play team ball the way he has done in spurts, but do that 90% of the time. The other 10% should come when it's the 4th and we need "go-to-guy" buckets (or at the end of quarters).

AMAR'E STOUDEMIRE
He's been killing us. When he was in foul trouble in quarters 1-3 we played excellent defense with Jeffries and Harrellson manning the PF position next to Chandler at C. That Jeffries/Chandler combo really did a number on Howard. Stoudemire came back in for the 4th and although he scored early on, he really hurt us defensively and that's when the Magic got hot from 3pt land. How long until he starts hearing boos at the Garden?

TYSON CHANDLER
Excellent defensive game! This guy really exposed Dwight Howard for the fraudulent manufactured NBA superstar that he is. He is fully capable of defending Howard one-on-one and shut him down basically whenever they went head-to-head and were actually allowed to play. Then VIOLET PALMER decided she had to give Howard some help and he still couldn't do anything with Chandler despite her best efforts. So when she attempted to circumvent Chandler's defensive intensity we were forced to start doubling with Jeffries. The immediate effects were golden as Howard was relegated useless again. But it turned out to be fool's gold as it lulled us into a state of false security with constant the double-teaming when we really didn't need to, if it weren't for the influence of the refs attempting to put their fingerprints on the game. Then the Magic got hot and the rest is in the books as history. If Palmer doesn't enter the arena today, we likely walk out a winner with our heads held high. The NBA should be ashamed of itself.

TONEY DOUGLAS
Was having a nice bounce-back game for himself on both ends as he was taking it to the hole, hitting his mid-range shot and defending. Also didn't get hammered too hard on any blindside picks. But he negated all of that by going into full-on chuck mode late in the 4th when we went down by 5pts. Started taking unnecessary 3's when we had plenty of time to come back and played right into SVG's gameplan. Just not an intelligent player. Really don't want him or Fields on this team long-term.

BILL WALKER
This guy is useless. I keep saying he's not an NBA rotational player. That play where he barreled into Glen Davis, where the Magic also got the 3pt shot and the foul was a killer. 4pt swing in a crucial moment. I'm tired of his boneheaded play.

JARED JEFFRIES
Excellent game defensively and even hit a couple layups. Is a nice piece off the bench when playing in a lineup with guys like Chandler and Shumpert who have defensive BBIQ and know how to rotate and play team defense. He has a role here, especially with clear offensive options on the team like Melo and Stat which keep him from trying to do more than he's capable of. Loved the way he stood up for his teammate, Jorts when Howard tried to throw a cheapshot elbow. He definitely has a place on this team. Good glue guy.

JOSH HARRELLSON
Another solid game from the rookie bigman. He always makes me feel safe and secure when he's out there on the court. Hit a couple 3's, defended very well, and even showed some mental toughness when he got tangled up with Howard, who objected to a good foul and resorted to throwing a cheapshot elbow. Rook definitely didn't look scared or ready to back down. He commited a good foul and was simply tryna hold Howard up so he wouldn't get hurt. I'd like to see him get more minutes somehow.

MIKE BIBBY
Pretty useless when he's not hot from 3PT.

SOTN: tie between Ryan Anderson and Dwight Howard

Great breakdown

'Preciate it!

[MaseInYourFace]

You can play the tape tonight of Chandler guarding Howard as an instructional on how to defend Howard. If it weren't for the refs I think Howard wouldn't scored at all...

[GONYK]

You are wrong.

Dwight Howard isn't a limited offensive player?

Really?

[mpharris36]

That's exactly my point. The Magic have shooters that actually make shots. We don't.

we had tons of open shots too. we just can't make.

and when you can't make.. you bring in someone that can.. someone that actually in the league for that reason, and that reason only...

correct....whats the problem with starting novak at the 2?


is anyone seriously worried about jj reddick tearing up novak....oh like reddick destroyed landry. At least novak would open up some things on the offensive end with the starting unit....get amare and melo going early.

[ctorres]

I hope when Baron comes back, Walker never plays again.

When Baron comes back, the only way Walker never plays again is if Shumpert or Fields comes off the bench at shooting guard.

Health wise, I think Bibby is on his last legs, which is why he has had no consistent role on this team at all throughout the season.

We're hoping to start Baron and Shump together, but Douglas and Fields together is still a crappy backcourt off the bench since Fields can't hit his shots. It forces Fields to move to SF and you're still forced to play Walker at SG offensively because Bibby can barely even run out there.