Raps trying to trade us Lowry...

NOOB77 · Post #241 » by **NOOB77** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:11 pm

Kenyon009 wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:He's a lot better than Felton.

Big idea here -- they probably would love to dump Fields. So just give them cap junk and take back Fields and Lowry.

Doing Shumpert would be stupid.

I would say Lowry is two tiers above Felton this year. Playing with another star in Melo might make him even better too. Considering the Raptors are tanking and Lowry is one of their better assets I would say that,

Lowry

FOR

Shump
Hardaway
Felton

The Knicks and Dolan are desperate to get better. With no future picks to give up, or it being too risky (since it's 4 years down the road) I doubt they're given up. Unless Dolan makes that mistake I have a very strong feeling that this is goign to be the package.

Also remember Toronto gave up a lottery pick last year to get Lowry and trading for a worse player in Felton might justify adding two mid first rounders (TH & IS).

Sorry we are not trading both Shump and THjr for Lowry not happening.

Post #242 » by **K_ick_God** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:11 pm

Guy above is right -- he's high on the second tier. But the good defense (has he lost a step?) is big for us. Keep ppl in front of us at the point is big -- multiple extra wins. Felton can't keep a totem poll from going around him.

HolyMage110 · Post #243 » by **HolyMage110** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:11 pm

mirrornick wrote:I don't see MU trading Lowry straight up for Felton/Shump. We might see a 3 team trade involving Amir Johnson and lowry.

like?

sogood · Post #244 » by **sogood** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:11 pm

Kenyon009 wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:He's a lot better than Felton.

Big idea here -- they probably would love to dump Fields. So just give them cap junk and take back Fields and Lowry.

Doing Shumpert would be stupid.

I would say Lowry is two tiers above Felton this year. Playing with another star in Melo might make him even better too. Considering the Raptors are tanking and Lowry is one of their better assets I would say that,

Lowry

FOR

Shump
Hardaway
Felton

The Knicks and Dolan are desperate to get better. With no future picks to give up, or it being too risky (since it's 4 years down the road) I doubt they're given up. Unless Dolan makes that mistake I have a very strong feeling that this is goign to be the package.

Also remember Toronto gave up a lottery pick last year to get Lowry and trading for a worse player in Felton might justify adding two mid first rounders (TH & IS).

I'll give up Shump OR Hardaway. No chance in hell I'm giving up both.

Fury · Post #245 » by **Fury** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:12 pm

I think people misunderstand how bad Raymond Felton is. It's not that Kyle Lowry is OMG good, but he's good, and a starter in the league. But Felton is so bad. ohhh boy.

god shammgod · Post #246 » by **god shammgod** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:12 pm

Kenyon009 wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:He's a lot better than Felton.

Big idea here -- they probably would love to dump Fields. So just give them cap junk and take back Fields and Lowry.

Doing Shumpert would be stupid.

I would say Lowry is two tiers above Felton this year. Playing with another star in Melo might make him even better too. Considering the Raptors are tanking and Lowry is one of their better assets I would say that,

Lowry

FOR

Shump
Hardaway
Felton

The Knicks and Dolan are desperate to get better. With no future picks to give up, or it being too risky (since it's 4 years down the road) I doubt they're given up. Unless Dolan makes that mistake I have a very strong feeling that this is goign to be the package.

Also remember Toronto gave up a lottery pick last year to get Lowry and trading for a worse player in Felton might justify adding two mid first rounders (TH & IS).

and you would be wrong

Post #247 » by **K_ick_God** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:12 pm

Knicks will not give up THJ. Either Shump or a protected pick. Anything more and every fan should quit. Make them play to an empty Garden.

SuperflyKnick · Post #248 » by **SuperflyKnick** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:12 pm

If this deal goes through wud anyone oppose a follow up deal with orlando for Davis/Affalo 4 Bargnani/Hardaway

Buggin Out · Post #249 » by **Buggin Out** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:13 pm

Felton is god awful right now. All our guards are awful expect THJR and Prigioni. Why not trade two of our underperforming guards (Felton and Shump). For a decent PG that gets to the line and defends. Who is also putting up similar numbers for the season as Felton did during out 18-5 start last year. This is a no brainer.

Riot Randolph · Post #250 » by **Riot Randolph** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:13 pm

1st round pick or THJ are dealbreakers....

SonOfMars · Post #251 » by **SonOfMars** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:13 pm

this is true..

[tweet]https://twitter.com/seth_rosenthal/status/411210117213077504[/tweet]

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #252 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:13 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:
Buggin Out wrote:Please make this happen. Felton and Shump for Lowry straight up.

Yea that trade works for both sides, I think it will happen, unless Ujiri bends you guys over and gets Hardaway too

except for the fact that it doesnt work for us...

Fat · Post #253 » by **Fat** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:13 pm

Dont give up THJR or a Pick... if the raptors still want MORE, go back to discussions with Denver for Andre Miller

sogood · Post #254 » by **sogood** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:13 pm

SuperflyKnick wrote:If this deal goes through wud anyone oppose a follow up deal with orlando for Davis/Affalo 4 Bargnani/Hardaway

Do it in a heartbeat but no way Orlando would with the way Affalo has played.

SuperflyKnick · Post #255 » by **SuperflyKnick** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:13 pm

god shammgod wrote:
Kenyon009 wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:He's a lot better than Felton.

Big idea here -- they probably would love to dump Fields. So just give them cap junk and take back Fields and Lowry.

Doing Shumpert would be stupid.

I would say Lowry is two tiers above Felton this year. Playing with another star in Melo might make him even better too. Considering the Raptors are tanking and Lowry is one of their better assets I would say that,

Lowry

FOR

Shump
Hardaway
Felton

The Knicks and Dolan are desperate to get better. With no future picks to give up, or it being too risky (since it's 4 years down the road) I doubt they're given up. Unless Dolan makes that mistake I have a very strong feeling that this is goign to be the package.

Also remember Toronto gave up a lottery pick last year to get Lowry and trading for a worse player in Felton might justify adding two mid first rounders (TH & IS).

and you would be wrong

I agree if you think the knicks willve up Shumpert, hardaway for Lowry who is expiring then you sir wud be sadder then the knicks mangement

rapsanity · Post #256 » by **rapsanity** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:14 pm

To be honest, Lowry's a really good point guard. I think he'll be a good fit on your team. The only reason we want to get rid of him is because of our tank. If we had a competitive team, would love to keep him.

He's a pitbull out there. Good defence and a good 3 point shot. He's not a playmaking PG but he brings that tough and grit that's lacking in point guards these days.

Sorry to say but doesn't seem likely we'll be making a trade with you guys. No picks and getting Shump when we already have a logjam at SG doesn't make sense.

There's only two explanations for this. Either there's a third team involved where Shump goes or Masai is using you guys to bring the value of Klow up

god shammgod · Post #257 » by **god shammgod** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:14 pm

SonOfMars wrote::rofl: this is true..

[tweet]https://twitter.com/seth_rosenthal/status/411210117213077504[/tweet]

that is so true. lowry is like good ray. the ray we saw a lot last year. so far we got bad ray.

DUNPHY · Post #258 » by **DUNPHY** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:14 pm

If you dont think Lowry is better than Felton youre crazy! Lowry came into camp in shape and has played great all year!

Knicks_Fan2 · Post #259 » by **Knicks_Fan2** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:14 pm

Felton/Shump and that's it. anything more and let it go.

postcall · Post #260 » by **postcall** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:15 pm

Buggin Out wrote:Felton is god awful right now. All our guards are awful expect THJR and Prigioni. Why not trade two of our underperforming guards (Felton and Shump). For a decent PG that gets to the line and defends. Who is also putting up similar numbers for the season as Felton did during out 18-5 start last year. This is a no brainer.

Except we are going to end up giving up THJr and Shump and Pablo instead of Felton taaking on a trash contract and giving up 1 if not 2 first round picks.