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Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond

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RJ
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Cam
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Garland
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Re: Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond 

Post#241 » by Fat » Wed May 15, 2019 11:29 pm

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Did he get a promise? which team gave him a promise? was it the knicks? Lakers? Suns?


I'm going to guess it's someone outside of top 4.... Suns or Bulls. Bulls have a history of giving promises at the combine too.


Yeah I think it's the suns too. If a team that high in the lottery is giving him a promise we need to do our due diligence. No team has even worked him out and he may have a promise already thats insane considering he only played 5 games in college. This kid could be special.

I hope the Knicks don't fall into groupthink and if garland is really the best player don't worry about what all the armchair gm mock draft makers say and just grab him at #3. People thought bogut and Marvin Williams were better than cp3, if garland is a stud then just draft him.


Since the draft played out the way it did here’s why theirs no chance garland is going to be a thing

If we skip on morant or barret with the top 3 pick in a supposedly 3 man draft that means we let one of them fall to the lakers and that means the lakers trade package value for Anthony Davis increases and ours decreases.
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Re: Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond 

Post#242 » by Orange Mamba » Wed May 15, 2019 11:32 pm

Fury wrote:Need Barrett’s measurements and wingspan plz


Height: 6'7″; Wingspan: 6'10”
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Re: Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond 

Post#243 » by Knick4Real » Wed May 15, 2019 11:32 pm

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:o :o :o

Zion's impending sneaker deal is an outrageous amount of money to defer. Also, how do you force a highly political trade out of New Orleans without proper representation?

That said, Griffin could get a fortune for Zion and AD. How funny would it be if Knox, Barret, Mitch, Ball, Ingram and Kuzma all end up on Pels.


It can happen. He can't have "official" representation, but he can have an unofficial "adviser," business manager, or a lawyer, etc. to guide him.

I doubt he'll actually do it, but if Zion forces his way out of New Orleans that would turn the league and the draft upside down!
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Re: 3rd pick hype thread I guess 

Post#244 » by TheGreenArrow » Wed May 15, 2019 11:33 pm

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Billy Goat wrote:DeAndre Hunter is a better player than Barrett, if the Knicks are going wing again.


You're out there...I mean..WAY out there. Barrett will be an allstar and hunter is a role player. Jesus, man...


Based on what? The Duke hype clouds people man. Barrett cant shoot. The Knicks have been built around players who shoot too much and cant shoot (Hardaway, Melo, Knox etc etc etc). These guys are impossbile to win with if they're commanding the lions share of the shots.


Dude just say you dont like Barretts game thats understandable but to say Hunter is better than him is absolutely ridiculous.

Woj was on the kay show earlier hyping up rj and said this is a top 3 heavy draft(zion,ja,rj) and how we lucked out.
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Re: Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond 

Post#245 » by F N 11 » Wed May 15, 2019 11:33 pm

Good for the Knicks
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Re: Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond 

Post#246 » by GONYK » Wed May 15, 2019 11:34 pm

Fury wrote:Need Barrett’s measurements and wingspan plz

His measurements are . As prototypical wing as it gets.
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Re: Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond 

Post#247 » by F N 11 » Wed May 15, 2019 11:39 pm

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Fury wrote:Need Barrett’s measurements and wingspan plz

His measurements are . As prototypical wing as it gets.

For a G/F they are great
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Re: Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond 

Post#248 » by dakomish23 » Wed May 15, 2019 11:41 pm

Welp

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Re: 3rd pick hype thread I guess 

Post#249 » by TheGreenArrow » Wed May 15, 2019 11:41 pm

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Re: Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond 

Post#250 » by TheGreenArrow » Wed May 15, 2019 11:42 pm

dakomish23 wrote:Welp

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Perfect 8-)

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Re: Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond 

Post#251 » by dakomish23 » Wed May 15, 2019 11:42 pm

PHX made Garland the promise I bet
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Re: Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond 

Post#252 » by GONYK » Wed May 15, 2019 11:44 pm

dakomish23 wrote:PHX made Garland the promise I bet

They make the most sense by far.

I'm interested to see if he takes workouts from teams ahead of them though.
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Re: 3rd pick hype thread I guess 

Post#253 » by GONYK » Wed May 15, 2019 11:45 pm

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Future knick folks.

He's got the potential, but that jumper has some ways to go.
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Re: Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond 

Post#254 » by dakomish23 » Wed May 15, 2019 11:48 pm

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dakomish23 wrote:PHX made Garland the promise I bet

They make the most sense by far.

I'm interested to see if he takes workouts from teams ahead of them though.


Probably right? It’s not often I see a guy unwilling to workout for a higher draft slot. I remember KP & Philly.
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Re: 3rd pick hype thread I guess 

Post#255 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed May 15, 2019 11:48 pm

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Re: 3rd pick hype thread I guess 

Post#256 » by BLACKFEET 2010 » Wed May 15, 2019 11:56 pm

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Hopefully he proves me wrong like Trae young did

He will.
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Re: Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond 

Post#257 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Wed May 15, 2019 11:58 pm

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There are some mysterious things on that chart that I'd be very interested in knowing more about.

1) Did Billy Garrett really get a contract with a team option for next year? That's not what I read on nba.com - that it was a "Rest-of-Season" contract.

2) If Billy Garrett got a contract with a team option for next year why is cap hold $1,443,842? That's the minimum salary for a player with one year experience signing a contract in the 2019-2020 season.See: https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/minimum_scale
(First column of the third table.)

For comparison Jenkins and Ellenson's numbers are (afaik correctly) taken correctly from the second column of the second, contracts signed during the 2018-2019 Season, table.

3) If I'm right that Garrett's contract was an rest of season contract then, if NKY extend him a qualifying offer before 29 June he becomes a restricted free agent

In order to make their free agent a restricted free agent, a team must submit a qualifying offer to the player between the day following the last game of the NBA Finals and June 29. The qualifying offer is a standing offer for a one-year guaranteed contract, which becomes a regular contact if the player decides to sign it. This ensures that the team does not gain the right of first refusal without offering a contract themselves. The amount of the qualifying offer depends on the situation:

...

For all other players, the qualifying offer must be for 125% of the player's previous salary, or the player's minimum salary (see question number 22) plus $200,000, whichever is greater.


Now, by my reading of this "the greater" is $1,416,852 + $200,000 = $1,616,852.

4) Why is there no thought about waiving and stretching Lance's contract? cf. http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q64

For contracts for with more than $250,000 of remaining guaranteed salary, the guaranteed salary for the remaining seasons is "stretched" and paid in equal amounts over a greater time span, as follows:

If the player is waived from July 1 to August 31, then his remaining salary is paid over twice the number of years remaining on his contract, plus one. For example, if the player is waived on August 1 with two seasons remaining on his contract at $10.2 million and $10.3 million, respectively, then his remaining salary is paid over five years (two seasons times two, plus one), in even amounts of $4.1 million per year.


5) (minor question) where does the "room exception" number come from? I've been reading $4,760,000, but in the tweet the number is given as $4,804,307.

[edit] one more quick question:

6) Why does Trier's option have to be picked up by 20th June. I had thought all of these option contracts have to be picked up by 29th June. Is 20th a typo? Or is that really in Trier's contract. That would be kinda awkward - or at least it could have been - since 20th June is draft night, right?
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Re: Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond 

Post#258 » by GONYK » Thu May 16, 2019 12:01 am

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There are some mysterious things on that chart that I'd be very interested in knowing more about.

1) Did Billy Garrett really get a contract with a team option for next year? That's not what I read on nba.com - that it was a "Rest-of-Season" contract.

2) If Billy Garrett got a contract with a team option for next year why is cap hold $1,443,842? That's the minimum salary for a player with one year experience signing a contract in the 2019-2020 season.See: https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/minimum_scale
(First column of the third table.)

For comparison Jenkins and Ellenson's numbers are (afaik correctly) taken correctly from the second column of the second, contracts signed during the 2018-2019 Season, table.

3) If I'm right that Garrett's contract was an rest of season contract then, if NKY extend him a qualifying offer before 29 June he becomes a restricted free agent

In order to make their free agent a restricted free agent, a team must submit a qualifying offer to the player between the day following the last game of the NBA Finals and June 29. The qualifying offer is a standing offer for a one-year guaranteed contract, which becomes a regular contact if the player decides to sign it. This ensures that the team does not gain the right of first refusal without offering a contract themselves. The amount of the qualifying offer depends on the situation:

...

For all other players, the qualifying offer must be for 125% of the player's previous salary, or the player's minimum salary (see question number 22) plus $200,000, whichever is greater.


Now, by my reading of this "the greater" is $1,416,852 + $200,000 = $1,616,852.

4) Why is there no thought about waiving and stretching Lance's contract? cf. http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q64

For contracts for with more than $250,000 of remaining guaranteed salary, the guaranteed salary for the remaining seasons is "stretched" and paid in equal amounts over a greater time span, as follows:

If the player is waived from July 1 to August 31, then his remaining salary is paid over twice the number of years remaining on his contract, plus one. For example, if the player is waived on August 1 with two seasons remaining on his contract at $10.2 million and $10.3 million, respectively, then his remaining salary is paid over five years (two seasons times two, plus one), in even amounts of $4.1 million per year.


5) (minor question) where does the "room exception" number come from? I've been reading $4,760,000, but in the tweet the number is given as $4,804,307.


Why do we need to waive and stretch Lance? His deal is not guaranteed.
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Re: Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond 

Post#259 » by Capn'O » Thu May 16, 2019 12:03 am

Has Memphis considered the merits of Bol Bol?
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Re: 3rd pick hype thread I guess 

Post#260 » by TheGreenArrow » Thu May 16, 2019 12:05 am

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