Knicks reportedly remain open to trading Julius Randle

[3toheadmelo]

I think Thibs can do decent things with Randle operating out of the high post, IF a few other things happen:

1. A shooting guard who can actually shoot. Get one.
2. Sign a stretch 4. Like J. Grant. I'd sign a 5 who can shoot like Baynes.
3. Make Randle the back up 4/5 OR make Mitch the back up 5.

Basically, Randle and Mitch kind of crowd the paint so they have to be broken up, mostly.
Randle and Grant can play together. Or Randle and Baynes.

If the Knicks acquire a PG that can shoot, all the better, but if they get a non shooting one, like LaMelo, at least the lineup would feature 2 guys who can space the floor at all times. Or 3 if RJ discovers a jumper.

I get signing J. Grant\Baynes and having Randle be a 4/5 would limit Knox's minutes at the 4, but that'll be fine for another year. Knox can find 15-20 mpg backing up 3 and a little 4.

Something to do to see if Randle takes another step or until he's dealt at the deadline or expires.

I believe that Randle and Mitch were a positive net rating together under Miller. So I am not too worried about that. If Thibs can just get Randle to focus on posts ups and do what he does best then I think he’ll be fine. I do think that the Knicks have big plans with Randle with the Kenny Payne hire too.

[robillionaire]

randle won't work with mitch because mitch needs a stretch 4. You just can't have two non-shooters at the 4 and 5 in this league anymore. if randle could shoot 34.4% like he did in NO on about 5-6 attempts a game it would work

[nedleeds]

randle won't work with mitch because mitch needs a stretch 4. You just can't have two non-shooters at the 4 and 5 in this league anymore. if randle could shoot 34.4% like he did in NO on about 5-6 attempts a game it would work, but that's not going to happen. I think you have to just bring him off the bench as a 4 or 5 next to another shooter and let mitch start next to a stretch 4 if we can find one.

We started non-shooters at the 1 (Payton, worst shooting guard in the NBA), 3 (RJ can't hit water with an oar), and 4 and 5.

[robillionaire]

randle won't work with mitch because mitch needs a stretch 4. You just can't have two non-shooters at the 4 and 5 in this league anymore. if randle could shoot 34.4% like he did in NO on about 5-6 attempts a game it would work, but that's not going to happen. I think you have to just bring him off the bench as a 4 or 5 next to another shooter and let mitch start next to a stretch 4 if we can find one.

We started non-shooters at the 1 (Payton, worst shooting guard in the NBA), 3 (RJ can't hit water with an oar), and 4 and 5.

yeah and most of them liked to occupy the same space in the floor and there was nobody to kick the ball out to. and we were the worst team in the nba again. the record might not reflect it, but we were. If you pencil in RJ and Mitch as starters, a stretch 4 is imperative as well as a 3 point specialist SG and a 3 ball threat at PG. Obviously you hope RJ will be able to improve on the 32% he shot as well.

[3toheadmelo]

Can’t wait to see him under Thibs and Payne!

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[malik959]

Can’t wait to see him under Thibs and Payne!

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Whiteside/Melo defense

[moocow007]

Like I've said for a long time. Julius Randle isn't Lebron James. You can't expect him to create his own shot, to run the offense through him or to let him try to dictate games and carry the team offensively. That's what Randle was basically forced to do last season. That's why he struggled.

Any notion that the head coaches would have not allowed Randle to do what he did and that instead Randle was free styling against the coaching staffs wishes last season is just silly. He did it cause the next best guy at trying to create his own shot (especially after Marcus Morris was traded) was glued to the bench as the 13th man and the coaches had no choice.

Honestly, I think Randle took one for the team and basically took the role of the punching back and escapegoat when IMHO it wasn't his fault.

Bottom line...for Randle to be successful the Knicks need the same thing that they need to make everyone else on this team successful. A real shot creator...not Elfrid Freaking Payton or running the offense through RJ Barrett...that can allow guys like Randle to focus on what he does well and not do things he's not able to do.

And NO it doesn't mean Randle is a fit on this team or that he's great but you need to be realistic about that "team" that Steve Mills and Scott Perry through out there last season. It was ugly. It was poorly balanced. And other than MAYBE the Pistons it had the least able "star" to create shots for himself and others.

[Chanel Bomber]

Randle has to go.

He's a nice player but with two non-shooters in the starting line-up (Mitch and RJ), Knicks can't afford to have another non-shooter on the floor. That's why Miami surrounds Jimmy and Bam with all snipers.

There's just no place for Julius here.

[Knicks Byke]

Did we trade him yet?

[nedleeds]

Randle has to go.

He's a nice player but with two non-shooters in the starting line-up (Mitch and RJ), Knicks can't afford to have another non-shooter on the floor. That's why Miami surrounds Jimmy and Bam with all snipers.

There's just no place for Julius here.

There aren't that many atrotious contracts to take back to match anymore. We should have traded him for like Chandler Parsons and a 2nd rounder at the deadline, but we were run by a clown car. The second Mills got shot, it should have been Randle for any bad 2016 and a sack of cheetos.

[Garbagelo]

Randle is a relic of an era that never existed

High usage PFs (highest on team) with below average TS% (53.8% vs 56.5% LEAGUE AVERAGE), above average TOV% ( 14.3% vs 12.8% LEAGUE AVERAGE), and dreadful 3P% shooter (27.7% vs 35.8% LEAGUE AVERAGE).

It doesn't get any worst than this. Even Portis was a better player than Randle (.064 vs .062 WS/48)

[knickstape4ever]

roster construction is important and Randle just isn't a fit. need a shooters around RJ and Mitch

he either needs to become a much better shooter, or be a small ball 5, which would mean coming off the bench for us. can't have 2 below-avg. (or non-shooters) at the both the 4/5 in todays game

[knickstape4ever]

The question I have is: are they still open to trading Randle?

it would be music to my ears if they were looking to trade him

[nedleeds]

Even Portis was a better player than Randle (.064 vs .062 WS/48)

[Richard4444]

Can’t wait to see him under Thibs and Payne!

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Thibs does not build defense teams by recovering bad defenders. He builds defense teams by firing bad defenders.

[knickstape4ever]

Even Portis was a better player than Randle (.064 vs .062 WS/48)

what was the end result: spin move leading to a turnover?

[nedleeds]

Even Portis was a better player than Randle (.064 vs .062 WS/48)

what was the end result: spin move leading to a turnover?

Hot Potato to Marcus Morris for a lean in chuck while 3 teammate sat wide open for 15 seconds with their finger firmly sticking into their anuses.





The Mills / Perry / Faildale development plan for our young players in full stride at that point.

[Zenzibar]

Can’t wait to see him under Thibs and Payne!

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With you on Randle. He's gonna beast and have all-star worthy numbers under Thibs and kP.

[Worst_to_First]

The twist here is if we got Kenny Payne for James Wiseman.

[3toheadmelo]

The twist here is if we got Kenny Payne for James Wiseman.