Build a Franchise Season 4 Offseason- Rule changes vote on page one

[bishnykfan]

@ bish

Given this is the first year bird rights will be in play, how many players will be released to be bid on at any given time? Could a team that holds bird rights to multiple players see its players come out at the same time to be bid on? Reason I ask this could cause complications for cap reasons for the incumbent team not knowing what the bidding wars could get to?

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Not sure what you mean? Last year all free agents were released at the same time and teams were free to bid on as many as they had cap space and roster spots for. We will be doing the same thing this offseason.

[2010]

This is what the wack ass developer emailed me back. Screw these dudes.

"well Scott was a 40% three point shooter last year compared to Harden's 37%"

This is the downside of analytics with no knowledgeable human intervention.

[mpharris36]

I honestly don’t look at the ratings at all myself. I really don’t care what they are because they’re completely subjective. I look at the results and so far through three seasons the results have been solid. For the most part, the teams that I feel should be in the playoffs have been and the teams that I think are lotto bound, almost always have been. There are always exceptions to this but then again, there are exceptions like that IRL also. Injuries and the fact that the sim always lags a year behind is a big part of that.

Individual players numbers have also been pretty accurate IMO. The league leader lists have always had the names you’d expect on them. Of course there are up years and down years for players like there are in the actual league. But overall, I think it’s been fairly accurate.

As far as the players Mecca mentioned, Faried was obviously an anomaly this season. He’s a career 54.6% shooter, up to 58.9% in 2018-19 the year the sim is based on. He shot 66.3% from the floor this year which is obviously way high. His three point numbers in the sim were basically right at his career numbers though and below his 18-19.

Mike Scott averaged 4ppg for Chicago so I don’t think he’s an issue at all. But for whatever his ratings say, he shot well below his actual career numbers from the field and from three in the sim this past season.

Harden shot 45.6% from the floor up about 1.5% from his career and last years numbers. His free throw percentage was also way up. His three point percentage dropped but that can happen depending on system and who he plays with also.

Klay also shot way above his career number from the floor and line. Again, his three point percentage dropped but who knows what that reason may have been. His overall numbers were better then his career numbers.

So, long story short, of course I’d like the ratings to more accurately reflect how we all envision all 500 or so players but that just won’t be all the time. I’d take those ratings with a grain of salt until the results become much more questionable then they have been up to this point. We will always find a player here or there that is off but IMO, that balances out across the league.

Correct I do agree that for the most part I do feel the SIM is fairly accurate and portrays most of what to expect. I do think defense is even more subjective and its even easier to label say Hassan Whiteside a good defensive player because he gets blocks when in real life he's actually a very poor defender.

Like how to you quantify in stats whos a good "man to man" defender. Like say Frank and Mikal bridges there isn't a stat unless the programmers are going to look far into advance analytics which is a lot to ask.

And you will have your anomalies. Probably the only team I thought got completely shafted was pelicans (and they had injuries) but AD/PG13/Trae Young probably doesn't miss the playoffs even with lack of depth.

But if we are really complaining about a couple players or 1 team out of 16 playoff teams. That isn't going to be perfect because its a SIM but like you said I never walked away from a season and thought man this team got completely shafted so all in all its been good.

Could it use some tweeks sure...but nothing is perfect.

Though none of MY players have been mentioned in these rating discussions, I must say....perhaps we should leave the names out when it comes to highlighting their negative attributes. Suggesting a player is a poor defender may hurt his stock. just my opinion.

I mean this is a discussion thread and I think I have enough respect and admiration for every GM and player here that they can formulate there own opinions on players and just because I say a guy is a poor defender overall doesn't mean someone else doesn't think he is but that can gladly change my opinion even though I don't think block shots necessarily = good defense.

[2010]

Correct I do agree that for the most part I do feel the SIM is fairly accurate and portrays most of what to expect. I do think defense is even more subjective and its even easier to label say Hassan Whiteside a good defensive player because he gets blocks when in real life he's actually a very poor defender.

Like how to you quantify in stats whos a good "man to man" defender. Like say Frank and Mikal bridges there isn't a stat unless the programmers are going to look far into advance analytics which is a lot to ask.

And you will have your anomalies. Probably the only team I thought got completely shafted was pelicans (and they had injuries) but AD/PG13/Trae Young probably doesn't miss the playoffs even with lack of depth.

But if we are really complaining about a couple players or 1 team out of 16 playoff teams. That isn't going to be perfect because its a SIM but like you said I never walked away from a season and thought man this team got completely shafted so all in all its been good.

Could it use some tweeks sure...but nothing is perfect.

Though none of MY players have been mentioned in these rating discussions, I must say....perhaps we should leave the names out when it comes to highlighting their negative attributes. Suggesting a player is a poor defender may hurt his stock. just my opinion.

I mean this is a discussion thread and I think I have enough respect and admiration for every GM and player here that they can formulate there own opinions on players and just because I say a guy is a poor defender overall doesn't mean someone else doesn't think he is but that can gladly change my opinion even though I don't think block shots necessarily = good defense.

100% agreed.

[2010]

@ bish

Given this is the first year bird rights will be in play, how many players will be released to be bid on at any given time? Could a team that holds bird rights to multiple players see its players come out at the same time to be bid on? Reason I ask this could cause complications for cap reasons for the incumbent team not knowing what the bidding wars could get to?

Sent from my SM-G960W using RealGM mobile app

Not sure what you mean? Last year all free agents were released at the same time and teams were free to bid on as many as they had cap space and roster spots for. We will be doing the same thing this offseason.

The free agency process was beautiful last year. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Hoffa overthinking things, as usual.

[NewEra]

Correct I do agree that for the most part I do feel the SIM is fairly accurate and portrays most of what to expect. I do think defense is even more subjective and its even easier to label say Hassan Whiteside a good defensive player because he gets blocks when in real life he's actually a very poor defender.

Like how to you quantify in stats whos a good "man to man" defender. Like say Frank and Mikal bridges there isn't a stat unless the programmers are going to look far into advance analytics which is a lot to ask.

And you will have your anomalies. Probably the only team I thought got completely shafted was pelicans (and they had injuries) but AD/PG13/Trae Young probably doesn't miss the playoffs even with lack of depth.

But if we are really complaining about a couple players or 1 team out of 16 playoff teams. That isn't going to be perfect because its a SIM but like you said I never walked away from a season and thought man this team got completely shafted so all in all its been good.

Could it use some tweeks sure...but nothing is perfect.

Though none of MY players have been mentioned in these rating discussions, I must say....perhaps we should leave the names out when it comes to highlighting their negative attributes. Suggesting a player is a poor defender may hurt his stock. just my opinion.

I mean this is a discussion thread and I think I have enough respect and admiration for every GM and player here that they can formulate there own opinions on players and just because I say a guy is a poor defender overall doesn't mean someone else doesn't think he is but that can gladly change my opinion even though I don't think block shots necessarily = good defense.

We live in a time where the opinions of others easily shape other people’s actions. Out of respect for the GM who owns said player, I wouldn’t bash him publicly. That’s all I’m saying.

[3toheadmelo]

SOUL said there's an alternative SIM that he uses and it's pretty realistic and has more accurrate ratings. We could try that if this SIM isn't good enough? Im down for whatever is easier for bish though.

[mpharris36]

Though none of MY players have been mentioned in these rating discussions, I must say....perhaps we should leave the names out when it comes to highlighting their negative attributes. Suggesting a player is a poor defender may hurt his stock. just my opinion.

I mean this is a discussion thread and I think I have enough respect and admiration for every GM and player here that they can formulate there own opinions on players and just because I say a guy is a poor defender overall doesn't mean someone else doesn't think he is but that can gladly change my opinion even though I don't think block shots necessarily = good defense.

We live in a time where the opinions of others easily shape other people’s actions. Out of respect for the GM who owns said player, I wouldn’t bash him publicly. That’s all I’m saying.

I mean if I said Giannis stinks do you think that would bring down his trade value?

[NewEra]

I mean this is a discussion thread and I think I have enough respect and admiration for every GM and player here that they can formulate there own opinions on players and just because I say a guy is a poor defender overall doesn't mean someone else doesn't think he is but that can gladly change my opinion even though I don't think block shots necessarily = good defense.

We live in a time where the opinions of others easily shape other people’s actions. Out of respect for the GM who owns said player, I wouldn’t bash him publicly. That’s all I’m saying.

I mean if I said Giannis stinks do you think that would bring down his trade value?

We’re not talking about Giannis bro. Let’s stick to the player who was mentioned.

GMs in the NBA don’t practice such behavior. You’ll never hear them publicly call a player from another team a very poor defender. Even if they think it. It’s just disrespectful. I think our views on this are just different, and that’s ok.

[mpharris36]

We live in a time where the opinions of others easily shape other people’s actions. Out of respect for the GM who owns said player, I wouldn’t bash him publicly. That’s all I’m saying.

I mean if I said Giannis stinks do you think that would bring down his trade value?

We’re not talking about Giannis bro. Let’s stick to the player who was mentioned.

GMs in the NBA don’t practice such behavior. You’ll never hear them publicly call a player from another team a very poor defender. Even if they think it. It’s just disrespectful. I think our views on this are just different, and that’s ok.

Yeah I mean I guess we see it different. To keep the league active we discuss trades, draft picks, and players. If you don't care to partake on it you have every right not to but it also would make the game pretty dull if we just went about this like real front office due and not comment on other players. We dont get the enjoyment out of watching live games so must of are discussions are on players and roster decisions.

I think everyone can formulate there own specific ideas on value. As long as they aren't downright mean about it.

Its not like I said Whiteside stinks and any GM who gave him a contract or acquires him is an idiot.

I said he was an overrated defensive player that blocks a lot of shots in real life that the SIM gives him more credit for.

[NewEra]

I mean if I said Giannis stinks do you think that would bring down his trade value?

We’re not talking about Giannis bro. Let’s stick to the player who was mentioned.

GMs in the NBA don’t practice such behavior. You’ll never hear them publicly call a player from another team a very poor defender. Even if they think it. It’s just disrespectful. I think our views on this are just different, and that’s ok.

Yeah I mean I guess we see it different. To keep the league active we discuss trades, draft picks, and players. If you don't care to partake on it you have every right not to but it also would make the game pretty dull if we just went about this like real front office due and not comment on other players. We dont get the enjoyment out of watching live games so must of are discussions are on players and roster decisions.

I think everyone can formulate there own specific ideas on value. As long as they aren't downright mean about it.

Its not like I said Whiteside stinks and any GM who gave him a contract or acquires him is an idiot.

I said he was an overrated defensive player that blocks a lot of shots in real life that the SIM gives him more credit for.

Nah you said he’s a “very poor defender” lol. I don’t mind discussing draft picks, trades, contracts, etc. but I wouldn’t bash another GMs player in public. I have my personal thoughts on players who I think are overhyped, and have terrible deals, but I wouldn’t come in here and shame them. It’s bad business. I’d rather uplift lol. You know I’m a positive cat.

[mpharris36]

We’re not talking about Giannis bro. Let’s stick to the player who was mentioned.

GMs in the NBA don’t practice such behavior. You’ll never hear them publicly call a player from another team a very poor defender. Even if they think it. It’s just disrespectful. I think our views on this are just different, and that’s ok.

Yeah I mean I guess we see it different. To keep the league active we discuss trades, draft picks, and players. If you don't care to partake on it you have every right not to but it also would make the game pretty dull if we just went about this like real front office due and not comment on other players. We dont get the enjoyment out of watching live games so must of are discussions are on players and roster decisions.

I think everyone can formulate there own specific ideas on value. As long as they aren't downright mean about it.

Its not like I said Whiteside stinks and any GM who gave him a contract or acquires him is an idiot.

I said he was an overrated defensive player that blocks a lot of shots in real life that the SIM gives him more credit for.

Nah you said he’s a “very poor defender” lol. I don’t mind discussing draft picks, trades, contracts, etc. but I wouldn’t bash another GMs player in public. I have my personal thoughts on players who I think are overhyped, and have terrible deals, but I wouldn’t come in here and shame them. It’s bad business. I’d rather uplift lol. You know I’m a positive cat.

I respect it and love your positivity. My parents were people that would tell me when I did something stupid so I wouldn't repeat the same mistake

so I kinda have that approach

[2010]

I mean if I said Giannis stinks do you think that would bring down his trade value?

We’re not talking about Giannis bro. Let’s stick to the player who was mentioned.

GMs in the NBA don’t practice such behavior. You’ll never hear them publicly call a player from another team a very poor defender. Even if they think it. It’s just disrespectful. I think our views on this are just different, and that’s ok.

Yeah I mean I guess we see it different. To keep the league active we discuss trades, draft picks, and players. If you don't care to partake on it you have every right not to but it also would make the game pretty dull if we just went about this like real front office due and not comment on other players. We dont get the enjoyment out of watching live games so must of are discussions are on players and roster decisions.

I think everyone can formulate there own specific ideas on value. As long as they aren't downright mean about it.

Its not like I said Whiteside stinks and any GM who gave him a contract or acquires him is an idiot.

I said he was an overrated defensive player that blocks a lot of shots in real life that the SIM gives him more credit for.

In real life the GMs don't have to say it cuz the beat reporters, game analysts, and studio analysts do. BaF doesn't have anyone in those positions so the GMs function as all in the discussion threads. If we consider voicing our opinions on players by name, poor taste, it would jeopardize the activity level of this competition.

[2010]

Melo gets KILLED for the Josh Jackson contract and Dennis Smith Jr. busting at his high dollar amount. I think evaluating players (even those who are on other teams) contracts, skill sets, attributes, and production is fair game. Whether positive or negative.

[Context]

Though none of MY players have been mentioned in these rating discussions, I must say....perhaps we should leave the names out when it comes to highlighting their negative attributes. Suggesting a player is a poor defender may hurt his stock. just my opinion.

I mean this is a discussion thread and I think I have enough respect and admiration for every GM and player here that they can formulate there own opinions on players and just because I say a guy is a poor defender overall doesn't mean someone else doesn't think he is but that can gladly change my opinion even though I don't think block shots necessarily = good defense.

We live in a time where the opinions of others easily shape other people’s actions. Out of respect for the GM who owns said player, I wouldn’t bash him publicly. That’s all I’m saying.

guys - I agree with this...no matter whos "right or "wrong" doesnt stop the "influence" of a comment/thought on another player..

[mpharris36]

Melo gets KILLED for the Josh Jackson contract and Dennis Smith Jr. busting at his high dollar amount. I think evaluating players (even those who are on other teams) contracts, skill sets, attributes, and production is fair game. Whether positive or negative.

and he gets complete praise for Tatum and Ayton and Bam who are all on great contracts.

Everyone has good moves and bad moves. I don't mean to offend anyone but I do think the back and forth (as long as its civil) is great for the game. It keeps activity levels up and if everyone said great move great move...what fun would that be if everyone just sat in there bubble without interacting and commenting on other teams.

As far as the specific situation being discussed I didn't even think twice of the player I just know he is rated very highly defensive in the SIM, when I can argue in the other direction in real life. I hope people don't interpret that I was saying anything bad about KF20 because that couldn't be farther from the truth.

[3toheadmelo]

Melo gets KILLED for the Josh Jackson contract and Dennis Smith Jr. busting at his high dollar amount. I think evaluating players (even those who are on other teams) contracts, skill sets, attributes, and production is fair game. Whether positive or negative.

I dont mind it. I want the smoke lol

[2010]

I mean this is a discussion thread and I think I have enough respect and admiration for every GM and player here that they can formulate there own opinions on players and just because I say a guy is a poor defender overall doesn't mean someone else doesn't think he is but that can gladly change my opinion even though I don't think block shots necessarily = good defense.

We live in a time where the opinions of others easily shape other people’s actions. Out of respect for the GM who owns said player, I wouldn’t bash him publicly. That’s all I’m saying.

guys - I agree with this...no matter whos "right or "wrong" doesnt stop the "influence" of a comment/thought on another player..

Well in that case I hope the power of influence is effective for free agency.

Sabonis sucks! Booker sucks! They should be $100/4 year players. They really aren't that good. Neither are good defenders.

[Manhattan Project]

We’ve finished three years of this so far, don’t see any reason now to slow this train down. It hasn’t been perfect, but we all have to adapt to the sim. The work that Bish has done to keep this running smooth, for the most part most of the GMs have been pretty active.

We all have our small gripes here and there, but by in large this has gone better then I ever could’ve imagined.

[Smash3]

Definitely, if you guys told me we would still be doing BAF in year 4 I’d be like yeah ok.... I didn’t even think we’d make it past year 1 as the game would die down, and we’d be back to our regular BAT’s in no time. That’s a testament to how smoothly Bish has operated this game and the GM’s staying active and engaged.