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Re: College/Draft thread. Knicks Currently have Picks 12 and 45 

Post#241 » by stuporman » Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:51 pm

moocow007 wrote:I'm honestly not all that thrilled with this draft.

Yeah there's a few guys at the top of the draft that looks real nice but the rest of the class? Kinda ehh-ish.

I would just go with BPA. This is because the Knicks are still a low end talent team.

Ive already mentioned some guys some time back (the top guys and a few that would likely go anywhere in this draft to undrafted) so not going to relist them but the following guys are among the group of other potential draft options I do like. Doesn't necessarily mean that any of these guys should be picked at where the Knicks currently project to pick (like everyone else in the draft outside of the top 2 or 3 guys, there's warts) and/or will be available at where they have each pick but just guys that I like (in order of preference):

Nikola Jovic

Not only does he have a lot of skills that he's already shown at 18 (against some top competition overseas), he has great feel for where he needs to be and plays with a real nice combination of aggressiveness and confidence. He has mismatch potential due to his 3-tier shot creation ability at 6'10" (and he may still be growing a little). He's not explosive but we've seen that you can still be a top tier impact player without it by using feel, aggressiveness and skill all of which he shows a significant amount of. Where would you play him and would he be an overlap at arguably the Knicks deepest position (PF)? Maybe but again, no one on this team should be locked in as a must keep and if I can get a guy that I believe can be an impact player in the NBA at some point down the line I take him. Him being just 18 makes it less of an issue in terms of fit cause I don't necessarily have to rush him.

Jaime Jaquez Jr

I just love the way this guy plays. The "Hock-daddy" (last name is pronounced "Hock-az"). He's an extremely talented shot creator that plays very aggressively but also that just seems to have a terrific feel for the game in terms of getting to open spots and creating easy opportunities for himself. He's not an explosive player but he's very very fluid with nice physical profile and when you combine that with his feel for the game and just how confident and aggressive him plays I think he can be a player in the NBA. His outside shot is inconsistent but his form is excellent and he has a quick release. I think as he develops and gets with an NBA coaching staff his shooting definitely will also become a plus tool. If/when that happens, he can be a Bogdan Bogdanovic level player, not a star, but damn nice role player that any coach would love to have on his team and that can be an integral cog on a top team.

Peyton Watson

He's got a bit of Tsunami Papi in his game. He's got a real nice combination of length/athleticism/springiness to his physical profile as a 6'8" wing. He can put the ball on the floor and create where he can explode to the basket and his defensive upside is extreme to me. He's got that same type Papi arrogance/confidence and his shot doesn't look bad at all to me. He probably needs work and time to develop but the upside from an NBA perspective be it as a versatile defender and a tertiary scorer/finisher.

There's a lot of excellent college players in this draft that has looked real good and put up real good stats in college...with fine looking highlight vids, etc. The problem is that I don't think the bulk of them can actually translate their college production to the NBA. Not just any college starting PG can become an NBA PG (even a backup PG). Not just any college scorer can become a scorer in the NBA. Not just any college shooter can become a 3 point specialist in the NBA. If it were that easy, there wouldn't be as many flubs as their are. That's really the key. How do you ID the guys that can actually take some part of their game and actually translate it in the NBA so that they can actually be a productive member of a NBA rotation. If I'm looking for a backup PG I'd rather just go an sign a vet in free agency for the vet minimum.

The guys above by no means are guarantees but I see some aspect of their game translating to the NBA with the possibility of significant impact at the next level. Maybe not stars, but strong role players and rotation guys. For most teams, if you can draft those types of players, it's a successful draft. That's what I'm looking for in a draft rather than trying to manufacture the next Steph Curry, Reggie Miller and the like in my head.


For the Knicks to be able to compete in the east they will have to match up with teams like Cleveland, Toronto and even Atlanta who are getting taller, longer with skilled front line players. I have my eye on Jovic, too. He's the type of player who has the potential, size and skill to match up with these modern bigs.

Although, they can't just focus on size and offensive skill because these other teams are building with players that have two way skills. If the Knicks want to stay competitive they will have to be aware of that and build their roster with the same mentality to find players who have two way skills. Does Jovic have them? Still need to watch more of him to tell.
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Re: College/Draft thread. Knicks Currently have Picks 12 and 45 

Post#242 » by WargamesX » Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:38 am

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Re: College/Draft thread. Knicks Currently have Picks 12 and 45 

Post#243 » by moocow007 » Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:13 pm

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Re: College/Draft thread. Knicks Currently have Picks 12 and 45 

Post#245 » by WargamesX » Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:04 pm

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Maybe TyTy falls to the knicks... Then again I don't know if he is who they would even want.
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Re: College/Draft thread. Knicks Currently have Picks 12 and 45 

Post#246 » by moocow007 » Mon Jan 24, 2022 9:49 pm

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moocow007 wrote:I'm honestly not all that thrilled with this draft.

Yeah there's a few guys at the top of the draft that looks real nice but the rest of the class? Kinda ehh-ish.

I would just go with BPA. This is because the Knicks are still a low end talent team.

Ive already mentioned some guys some time back (the top guys and a few that would likely go anywhere in this draft to undrafted) so not going to relist them but the following guys are among the group of other potential draft options I do like. Doesn't necessarily mean that any of these guys should be picked at where the Knicks currently project to pick (like everyone else in the draft outside of the top 2 or 3 guys, there's warts) and/or will be available at where they have each pick but just guys that I like (in order of preference):

Nikola Jovic

Not only does he have a lot of skills that he's already shown at 18 (against some top competition overseas), he has great feel for where he needs to be and plays with a real nice combination of aggressiveness and confidence. He has mismatch potential due to his 3-tier shot creation ability at 6'10" (and he may still be growing a little). He's not explosive but we've seen that you can still be a top tier impact player without it by using feel, aggressiveness and skill all of which he shows a significant amount of. Where would you play him and would he be an overlap at arguably the Knicks deepest position (PF)? Maybe but again, no one on this team should be locked in as a must keep and if I can get a guy that I believe can be an impact player in the NBA at some point down the line I take him. Him being just 18 makes it less of an issue in terms of fit cause I don't necessarily have to rush him.

Jaime Jaquez Jr

I just love the way this guy plays. The "Hock-daddy" (last name is pronounced "Hock-az"). He's an extremely talented shot creator that plays very aggressively but also that just seems to have a terrific feel for the game in terms of getting to open spots and creating easy opportunities for himself. He's not an explosive player but he's very very fluid with nice physical profile and when you combine that with his feel for the game and just how confident and aggressive him plays I think he can be a player in the NBA. His outside shot is inconsistent but his form is excellent and he has a quick release. I think as he develops and gets with an NBA coaching staff his shooting definitely will also become a plus tool. If/when that happens, he can be a Bogdan Bogdanovic level player, not a star, but damn nice role player that any coach would love to have on his team and that can be an integral cog on a top team.

Peyton Watson

He's got a bit of Tsunami Papi in his game. He's got a real nice combination of length/athleticism/springiness to his physical profile as a 6'8" wing. He can put the ball on the floor and create where he can explode to the basket and his defensive upside is extreme to me. He's got that same type Papi arrogance/confidence and his shot doesn't look bad at all to me. He probably needs work and time to develop but the upside from an NBA perspective be it as a versatile defender and a tertiary scorer/finisher.

There's a lot of excellent college players in this draft that has looked real good and put up real good stats in college...with fine looking highlight vids, etc. The problem is that I don't think the bulk of them can actually translate their college production to the NBA. Not just any college starting PG can become an NBA PG (even a backup PG). Not just any college scorer can become a scorer in the NBA. Not just any college shooter can become a 3 point specialist in the NBA. If it were that easy, there wouldn't be as many flubs as their are. That's really the key. How do you ID the guys that can actually take some part of their game and actually translate it in the NBA so that they can actually be a productive member of a NBA rotation. If I'm looking for a backup PG I'd rather just go an sign a vet in free agency for the vet minimum.

The guys above by no means are guarantees but I see some aspect of their game translating to the NBA with the possibility of significant impact at the next level. Maybe not stars, but strong role players and rotation guys. For most teams, if you can draft those types of players, it's a successful draft. That's what I'm looking for in a draft rather than trying to manufacture the next Steph Curry, Reggie Miller and the like in my head.


For the Knicks to be able to compete in the east they will have to match up with teams like Cleveland, Toronto and even Atlanta who are getting taller, longer with skilled front line players. I have my eye on Jovic, too. He's the type of player who has the potential, size and skill to match up with these modern bigs.

Although, they can't just focus on size and offensive skill because these other teams are building with players that have two way skills. If the Knicks want to stay competitive they will have to be aware of that and build their roster with the same mentality to find players who have two way skills. Does Jovic have them? Still need to watch more of him to tell.


Jovic isn't what I would call a defensive specialist but you don't really need that. You just need him to be focused, stick to the defensive plan and not cowtail against the physicality he'll face in the NBA. I think he can do that. He's a very confident guy. Very smart and competes.
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Re: College/Draft thread. Knicks Currently have Picks 12 and 45 

Post#247 » by dakomish23 » Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:29 am

I like the competitive side of Johnny Davis
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Post#248 » by dakomish23 » Tue Jan 25, 2022 6:03 am

I’m sure this has been beaten to death, but they really couldn’t get the CHA pick only lottery protected?
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Post#249 » by robillionaire » Tue Jan 25, 2022 6:14 am

dakomish23 wrote:I’m sure this has been beaten to death, but they really couldn’t get the CHA pick only lottery protected?


We already traded it so I guess it doesn’t matter anymore
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Post#250 » by dakomish23 » Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:08 pm

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dakomish23 wrote:I’m sure this has been beaten to death, but they really couldn’t get the CHA pick only lottery protected?


We already traded it so I guess it doesn’t matter anymore


Thank you for pointing that out.
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Post#251 » by ScienceOfLosing » Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:20 pm

WargamesX wrote:
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:o Wow…. :lol: So we might end up with another pick 8


I hope we end up with either a top 10-15 pick (cause we can't pick well in that 8 range) or a top 3 pick. We have a chance with Thibs both riding the starters into the ground and not playing the kids.

The nail in the coffin was when Thibs put in Burks instead of Obi two games ago.
For some bonus sugar on top, Thibs pulled Obi for a blocked shot, and then the following game for making a 3.

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Post#252 » by robillionaire » Wed Jan 26, 2022 3:52 am

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dakomish23 wrote:I’m sure this has been beaten to death, but they really couldn’t get the CHA pick only lottery protected?


We already traded it so I guess it doesn’t matter anymore


Thank you for pointing that out.


I just really disliked talking about the changing protections that pick and I’m kinda glad it’s not our concern anymore :lol:
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Post#253 » by Nazrmohamed » Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:05 am

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Maybe TyTy falls to the knicks... Then again I don't know if he is who they would even want.


Nope. It's the Knicks so they want another power forward whose shaped like a box.
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Post#254 » by knickstape4ever » Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:09 am

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Maybe TyTy falls to the knicks... Then again I don't know if he is who they would even want.


Nope. It's the Knicks so they want another power forward whose shaped like a box.


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Post#255 » by DrCoach » Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:24 am

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Post#256 » by haterade » Wed Jan 26, 2022 3:54 pm

Not sure if the Knicks will be in the position to draft him, but I'm really impressed with AJ Griffin. Dude's shot is pure, defends at a high level, built like a tank and looks to be improving every time I see him play.
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Post#257 » by moocow007 » Wed Jan 26, 2022 6:01 pm

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Well at where the Knicks are currently projected to pick they have absolutely no shot at Sharpe. But if they trade up and fall flat on their face, then absolutley. Sharpe IMO is a legit legit NBA prospect with a likely all-star floor. No question at all. He's a legit 5-tool type talent that moves on the court like superstar players move (hang time, change of hands, attacking openings, how he carries himself, sees the floor, understands the flow of the game, etc.). Physically he's elite for a wing and you just get a sense that there's that "it factor" with him. He was the no.1 ranked guy in his HS class for a reason. He's a better prospect IMO than Anthony Edwards and I was a big fan of Edwards was heading into the draft. He's definitely a top 5 pick right now and I think once teams get to take a closer look at him as the draft approaches he'll be top 3 for sure...with even some consideration for top overall.
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Post#258 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:14 pm

dakomish23 wrote:I like the competitive side of Johnny Davis



I just watched two of his game highlights last night. Kinda reminds me of Devin Booker a little bit. Not crazy athletic but looks like he can get to his spots on the floor and the jumper looks wet. He went off against Jaden Ivey the other day too.





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Post#259 » by knickstape4ever » Thu Jan 27, 2022 3:10 am

damn, only 13 pages and 1 thread and we're lotto bound?....disappointed in us
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Post#260 » by robillionaire » Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:48 am

knickstape4ever wrote:damn, only 13 pages and 1 thread and we're lotto bound?....disappointed in us


Getting excited only to be let down for 7 years in a row or whatever takes a toll on you

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