Build a Franchise (Season 5) Discussion Thread continued

[Capn'O]

If this post gets 30 likes I will keep this lineup for entire season

Dear Mods,
Please utilize your powers and make our Christmas wish come true.

If you could do this before my game against NOP tonight it would be much appreciated.

I used to be able to give infinite And1's because of the special character in my username... but no longer.

[Capn'O]

I'm trying to figure out what makes Boston's defense so good. We average 114 points per game and these cats held us to 88. Our lowest outing of the season. They're currently the #2 ranked defense in the entire league!

I think it's because they play slow, not that their defense is that good. They're the only team that plays grind. They do have some decent defensive pieces though.

[Buzzard]

I don’t think it’s fair at all to restart the season or mess with the ratings as is in my opinion. We’ve never done that before so doing it now just isn’t fair to the previous years who’s ratings weren’t favorable to your respectable squad. That’s inconsistent. It also isn’t fair to the teams who are winning right now and are satisfied with their ratings like me. There’s always gonna to be outliers in the SIM but you just have to deal with it. 2k’s SIM has some wonky ratings as well. It’s never going to be perfect.

I think the ratings snafu should be fixed. Its fair to all those who held on to or traded for players due to what they should have been rated. Wolverine Studio admitted the screw up. We should be running the accurate version of the game as it was intended.

[bishnykfan]

I don’t think it’s fair at all to restart the season or mess with the ratings as is in my opinion. We’ve never done that before so doing it now just isn’t fair to the previous years who’s ratings weren’t favorable to your respectable squad. That’s inconsistent. It also isn’t fair to the teams who are winning right now and are satisfied with their ratings like me. There’s always gonna to be outliers in the SIM but you just have to deal with it. 2k’s SIM has some wonky ratings as well. It’s never going to be perfect.

I hear you, but this isn't a couple players or specific to different squads, they just stated they messed up the formula for defense affecting the whole league.

Usually I would agree with you, but in this case it would be like if 2k messed up their offensive formula and we just decided not to update to the version where they fixed it. That would make no sense.

Not disagreeing with you in this aspect but we said from the preseason that all of the defensive numbers seemed down. Across the board, especially for wings and perimeter players. Considering it is the whole league that was effected and not one or two individual players or teams, why does it need to be changed?

Again, it isn't perfect. But look at the league leaders and look at the standings and tell me where the sim is way off through a month?

[Fat]

Wiseman is still on the shopping table though send offers

[NewEra]

I'm also not in favor of restarting the sim....and I'm saying this with my best player currently out for 46 days.

It's not fair to the teams who have done well to begin. There have also been trades made based off ratings and a lot of work on Bish's end to get to this point. I feel terrible about what happened with Kawhi, Dinwiddie, TJ Warren and others, but we have to be fair. IMO, any adjustments should be made prior to the seasons start like we do with rule changes.

[Buzzard]

I don’t think it’s fair at all to restart the season or mess with the ratings as is in my opinion. We’ve never done that before so doing it now just isn’t fair to the previous years who’s ratings weren’t favorable to your respectable squad. That’s inconsistent. It also isn’t fair to the teams who are winning right now and are satisfied with their ratings like me. There’s always gonna to be outliers in the SIM but you just have to deal with it. 2k’s SIM has some wonky ratings as well. It’s never going to be perfect.

I hear you, but this isn't a couple players or specific to different squads, they just stated they messed up the formula for defense affecting the whole league.

Usually I would agree with you, but in this case it would be like if 2k messed up their offensive formula and we just decided not to update to the version where they fixed it. That would make no sense.

Not disagreeing with you in this aspect but we said from the preseason that all of the defensive numbers seemed down. Across the board, especially for wings and perimeter players. Considering it is the whole league that was effected and not one or two individual players or teams, why does it need to be changed?

Again, it isn't perfect. But look at the league leaders and look at the standings and tell me where the sim is way off through a month?

I think it comes down to accuracy and consistency. Lets say Chicago loses a close playoff series with Leonard's crazy defensive rating. There will always be the doubt that if we were using the accurate version that loss could very well be a win.

[Capn'O]

As one of the people whose defensive ratings were definitely messed with... we're not effing restarting the season.

As for restarting the league, I'm not doing that...this takes 3 hours minimum per night as is. To restart now is not going to happen. I have periodically in past seasons gone to the Wolverine website and downloaded their latest updates when things have needed to be updated usually because of a technical issue rather than gameplay. I can do that again and then just continue on with the season as is assuming the newest download doesn't overwrite everything we've done up to this point.

If you could take a look into that, that would be much appreciated. XOXO.

[NewEra]

I'm trying to figure out what makes Boston's defense so good. We average 114 points per game and these cats held us to 88. Our lowest outing of the season. They're currently the #2 ranked defense in the entire league!

I think it's because they play slow, not that their defense is that good. They're the only team that plays grind. They do have some decent defensive pieces though.

I've been playing grind/attack since day 1 too. We're ranked 3rd on offense, but 13th on defense.

[bishnykfan]

I hear you, but this isn't a couple players or specific to different squads, they just stated they messed up the formula for defense affecting the whole league.

Usually I would agree with you, but in this case it would be like if 2k messed up their offensive formula and we just decided not to update to the version where they fixed it. That would make no sense.

Not disagreeing with you in this aspect but we said from the preseason that all of the defensive numbers seemed down. Across the board, especially for wings and perimeter players. Considering it is the whole league that was effected and not one or two individual players or teams, why does it need to be changed?

Again, it isn't perfect. But look at the league leaders and look at the standings and tell me where the sim is way off through a month?

I think it comes down to accuracy and consistency. Lets say Chicago loses a 1st round series with Leonard's crazy defensive rating. There will always be the doubt that if we were using the accurate version that loss could very well be a win.

Understand that. But if Chicago and Kawhi's defensive rating was effected no differently then the team they're playing then it would be a wash. Like I said, if they admitted to one or two teams or a handful of players, that would be one thing. But if the formula effected everyone the same then how does it hurt anyone in particular? Everyone noticed right from the start that all defensive wings seemed to get lower ratings defensively then they deserved. So if everyone was downgraded equally, then how does that hurt anyone?

[Smash3]

I don’t think it’s fair at all to restart the season or mess with the ratings as is in my opinion. We’ve never done that before so doing it now just isn’t fair to the previous years who’s ratings weren’t favorable to your respectable squad. That’s inconsistent. It also isn’t fair to the teams who are winning right now and are satisfied with their ratings like me. There’s always gonna to be outliers in the SIM but you just have to deal with it. 2k’s SIM has some wonky ratings as well. It’s never going to be perfect.

I hear you, but this isn't a couple players or specific to different squads, they just stated they messed up the formula for defense affecting the whole league.

Usually I would agree with you, but in this case it would be like if 2k messed up their offensive formula and we just decided not to update to the version where they fixed it. That would make no sense.

Not disagreeing with you in this aspect but we said from the preseason that all of the defensive numbers seemed down. Across the board, especially for wings and perimeter players. Considering it is the whole league that was effected and not one or two individual players or teams, why does it need to be changed?

Again, it isn't perfect. But look at the league leaders and look at the standings and tell me where the sim is way off through a month?

Got you, and don't get me wrong you know as long as I've been in BAF i rarely have criticized the sim, but we all voiced our complaints about the defense in pre-season because the numbers are way off across the boards. Now we see that they publicly admitted to screwing up which makes sense and they have fixed it.

Sim is on point as usual with individual stats so league leaders and all that are good, but it's specifically defense they messed up this edition and is being reflected. Look at the best defenses in the league, there you will see the defensive formula mistake has messed up the entire team defense:

Top 10 defenses:

Spurs:
Boston:
Philly: (Keep in mind Turner is only playing 12 minutes per game and Collins is starting)
Miami:
Detroit:
New York:
Phoenix:
Minnesota:
Brooklyn:

With the exception of Cleveland and Clippers, we all know those teams as constructed are either average or below average defensive teams. Clearly defense ratings are way off which is being reflected in team defense.

Most importantly you have to consider the teams that built defensive teams, if GM's put together defensive teams like Clippers and Sacramento obviously this mistake affects them 10x more then an offensive team.

[mpharris36]

I'm trying to figure out what makes Boston's defense so good. We average 114 points per game and these cats held us to 88. Our lowest outing of the season. They're currently the #2 ranked defense in the entire league!

I think it's because they play slow, not that their defense is that good. They're the only team that plays grind. They do have some decent defensive pieces though.

I've been playing grind/attack since day 1 too. We're ranked 3rd on offense, but 13th on defense.

I played grind (first time) against POR and Smash still threw a 138 burger on me. Its on a play style but when you actually play certain teams that are great offensively you can play as slow as you want they will still score

[Buzzard]

As one of the people whose defensive ratings were definitely messed with... we're not effing restarting the season.

As for restarting the league, I'm not doing that...this takes 3 hours minimum per night as is. To restart now is not going to happen. I have periodically in past seasons gone to the Wolverine website and downloaded their latest updates when things have needed to be updated usually because of a technical issue rather than gameplay. I can do that again and then just continue on with the season as is assuming the newest download doesn't overwrite everything we've done up to this point.

If you could take a look into that, that would be much appreciated. XOXO.

My team is one of the worse and I don't care if we don't do a restart. But I like the idea of updating the SIM/Players.

[Buzzard]

Not disagreeing with you in this aspect but we said from the preseason that all of the defensive numbers seemed down. Across the board, especially for wings and perimeter players. Considering it is the whole league that was effected and not one or two individual players or teams, why does it need to be changed?

Again, it isn't perfect. But look at the league leaders and look at the standings and tell me where the sim is way off through a month?

I think it comes down to accuracy and consistency. Lets say Chicago loses a 1st round series with Leonard's crazy defensive rating. There will always be the doubt that if we were using the accurate version that loss could very well be a win.

Understand that. But if Chicago and Kawhi's defensive rating was effected no differently then the team they're playing then it would be a wash. Like I said, if they admitted to one or two teams or a handful of players, that would be one thing. But if the formula effected everyone the same then how does it hurt anyone in particular? Everyone noticed right from the start that all defensive wings seemed to get lower ratings defensively then they deserved. So if everyone was downgraded equally, then how does that hurt anyone?

Because a team that is based on offense as its strong suit was not impacted as much. Who cares if DeRozan loses a little on defense; so long as he does not lose anything on offense...

[Smash3]

As one of the people whose defensive ratings were definitely messed with... we're not effing restarting the season.

As for restarting the league, I'm not doing that...this takes 3 hours minimum per night as is. To restart now is not going to happen. I have periodically in past seasons gone to the Wolverine website and downloaded their latest updates when things have needed to be updated usually because of a technical issue rather than gameplay. I can do that again and then just continue on with the season as is assuming the newest download doesn't overwrite everything we've done up to this point.

If you could take a look into that, that would be much appreciated. XOXO.

Restarting the season might be a bridge too far for most people, but y'all know what I mean, the defensive ratings should be updated is my point.

[Smash3]

I think it comes down to accuracy and consistency. Lets say Chicago loses a 1st round series with Leonard's crazy defensive rating. There will always be the doubt that if we were using the accurate version that loss could very well be a win.

Understand that. But if Chicago and Kawhi's defensive rating was effected no differently then the team they're playing then it would be a wash. Like I said, if they admitted to one or two teams or a handful of players, that would be one thing. But if the formula effected everyone the same then how does it hurt anyone in particular? Everyone noticed right from the start that all defensive wings seemed to get lower ratings defensively then they deserved. So if everyone was downgraded equally, then how does that hurt anyone?

Because a team that is based on offense as its strong suit was not impacted as much. Who cares if DeRozan loses a little on defense; so long as he does not lose anything on offense...

My point exactly.

[Fat]

Yeah I’m also in favor of not restarting the league. Everyone that should be a playoff team for the most part is still a playoff team / play-in team at the very least & teams that should be beating there opponent are still beating there opponent.

[br7knicks]

I don’t think it’s fair at all to restart the season or mess with the ratings as is in my opinion. We’ve never done that before so doing it now just isn’t fair to the previous years who’s ratings weren’t favorable to your respectable squad. That’s inconsistent. It also isn’t fair to the teams who are winning right now and are satisfied with their ratings like me. There’s always gonna to be outliers in the SIM but you just have to deal with it. 2k’s SIM has some wonky ratings as well. It’s never going to be perfect.

this is where i am. we'd have to restart everything.


i don't think we should restart. do i wish my guys had more updated ratings? yes. but i don't think it's worth it or fair.

[br7knicks]

I hear you, but this isn't a couple players or specific to different squads, they just stated they messed up the formula for defense affecting the whole league.

Usually I would agree with you, but in this case it would be like if 2k messed up their offensive formula and we just decided not to update to the version where they fixed it. That would make no sense.

Not disagreeing with you in this aspect but we said from the preseason that all of the defensive numbers seemed down. Across the board, especially for wings and perimeter players. Considering it is the whole league that was effected and not one or two individual players or teams, why does it need to be changed?

Again, it isn't perfect. But look at the league leaders and look at the standings and tell me where the sim is way off through a month?

Got you, and don't get me wrong you know as long as I've been in BAF i rarely have criticized the sim, but we all voiced our complaints about the defense in pre-season because the numbers are way off across the boards. Now we see that they publicly admitted to screwing up which makes sense and they have fixed it.

Sim is on point as usual with individual stats so league leaders and all that are good, but it's specifically defense they messed up this edition and is being reflected. Look at the best defenses in the league, there you will see the defensive formula mistake has messed up the entire team defense:

Top 10 defenses:

Spurs:
Boston:
Philly: (Keep in mind Turner is only playing 12 minutes per game and Collins is starting)
Miami:
Detroit:
New York:
Phoenix:
Minnesota:
Brooklyn:

With the exception of Cleveland and Clippers, we all know those teams as constructed are either average or below average defensive teams. Clearly defense ratings are way off which is being reflected in team defense.

Most importantly you have to consider the teams that built defensive teams, if GM's put together defensive teams like Clippers and Sacramento obviously this mistake affects them 10x more then an offensive team.

i feel like my team should be a top 10, maybe top 5 defense. it's not, but i'm okay with it for now.


it's early enough in the season still where there will be corrections naturally without needing to mess with anything

[2010]

I don't really want to get into this all again because its kind of boring at this point but since it's the main discussion this morning... I think DePalma made the case for Wiseman pretty perfectly.

LeBron has been a multiple time MVP winner in this game. The "developers" obviously don't have an awful view of him. He has gotten off to a slow start shooting the ball this year in a 12 game sample size. But his other numbers are very comparable to last year. His three point shooting is much better while his two point FG% is way down. His FT% is also down through a 12 game sample size. His rebound, steals, blocks and turnover numbers are better in the sim than IRL while his assist number is down. And maybe most importantly, he has played 100% of sim games through the first month or so while he only played just over 62% of Laker games last season. And its been 12 games...so to say the sim has it in for LeBron? If he ends the season shooting 44% from the field then I would say he had an unexpectedly bad season but its been 12 games.

As for Sexton, he went from first option in Cleveland in 2020-21 to fourth option in Indiana (BaF) this year. His three point shooting numbers are way up, probably getting better looks with defenses focused on Luka and Zion rather than Darius Garland and Andre Drummond. Like LeBron, his two point and free throw percentages are way down though. His overall ratings though aren't that bad so maybe he is just having a difficult time personality wise adjusting to his new role as fourth option? Or maybe it has only been a 12 game sample size and teams can complain, try to adjust or just do nothing.

But it is what it is...to me its the reason the sim is good not bad. Because not everything would work just based on what the stats say on the back of their basketball card. Fit does seem to matter. Of course there are anomalies, breakouts and busts happen every year.

As for restarting the league, I'm not doing that...this takes 3 hours minimum per night as is. To restart now is not going to happen. I have periodically in past seasons gone to the Wolverine website and downloaded their latest updates when things have needed to be updated usually because of a technical issue rather than gameplay. I can do that again and then just continue on with the season as is assuming the newest download doesn't overwrite everything we've done up to this point.

This seems logical.