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Gorilla Monsoon wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:Gorilla Monsoon wrote:
I was clearly joking around. Do they not make jokes in Canada either?
I will attest that Pidto was joking around
Thank you, my sweet angel.
You see that Canada? How us E-thugs from the NY streets stick together?
Can we also all agree that Bret Hart is literally the greatest professional wrestler that ever lived?
robillionaire wrote:Gorilla Monsoon wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:
I will attest that Pidto was joking around
Thank you, my sweet angel.
You see that Canada? How us E-thugs from the NY streets stick together?
Can we also all agree that Bret Hart is literally the greatest professional wrestler that ever lived?
Not even the best Canadian wrestler
Gorilla Monsoon wrote:robillionaire wrote:Gorilla Monsoon wrote:
Thank you, my sweet angel.
You see that Canada? How us E-thugs from the NY streets stick together?
Can we also all agree that Bret Hart is literally the greatest professional wrestler that ever lived?
Not even the best Canadian wrestler
Ray Williams wrote:Gorilla Monsoon wrote:robillionaire wrote:
Not even the best Canadian wrestler
knicks94 wrote:If you really want the future KDs and Kyries to spurn the Knicks in free agency then I would be all for the front office getting rid of Randle. As much as I can’t stand watching Randle in a Knicks uniform it would be a terrible PR move to release a guy who you committed to being your franchise player after a terrible half of a season.
RIP mags Im Coming Home wrote:There are a multitude of reasons why we should trade Randle. Even prior to this terrible season some wanted to trade him simply off the fact that he didn't fit in the 'win' window of the rest of our young guys due to being a few years old.
Now add the fact that he's been complete garbage this year, you begin to ponder if Randle's great season last year was mostly due to having no fans in the stands. This may have seemed crazy to think last year, but honestly he's shown time and time again he is a weak player mentally, between missing free throws and the famous crumbling in the playoffs last year, one has to wonder if his success during the regular season truly was due to no fans.
It doesn't help that he also NEEDS the offense to run through him, and he ruins the flow. He also hurts us defensively as his effort from last season on that end is completely gone at this point. He completely prevents us from doing ANYTHING with him on the team until 2026.. we'll either have to trade for someone better than him(which in turn would end up with us giving up young assets and picks all just to be maybe a 1st or 2nd round exit for a few years and end up with no good young players at the end of it, for nothing) and he'll actually have to bow out and defer, which I think he wouldn't even be good as an off ball player.. or we need to trade him.
Now begs the questions, what value does Randle have at this point.. ? I honestly don't know right now, do other teams also think he's complete garbage or do they think hmm, maybe as a not #1 option he could do well again.
All I know is that if he continues to play this way, his value will only get worse, and you don't want that contract going all the way through to 2026 if he continues to play this way. Its time to cut bait early before its too late, let him go play #3 option on a team and either flourish or flounder in that situation.
I would honestly even consider trading him for.. yep, I'll say it.. someone like John Wall. Which sounds crazy but if you think about it contract wise, and how negative value Wall has(we'd need a 3rd team maybe to move Randle to, as Rockets are in rebuild mode).. if we're willing to eat this and next year's huge salary. Not to mention the fact that Wall would love to run and gun with the kids. We would end up with cap space the following summer in 2023, instead of being stuck with Randle on the books til 2026. And if Randle's value is still seen as a positive, maybe we can throw in Fournier to get out of his contract too, or even get some picks or something in return. At the end of the day it would be about moving a contract that runs through 2026, for a contract that only runs through 2023. And its Dolan's pockets not mine so idc how much more Wall gets paid over Randle.
So what do you think, should we cut bait ASAP or try to just deal with having him on this team for another 4+ years.....
WargamesX wrote:Honestly thinking about everything. The real issue is the Knicks messed up last summer’s Free agency. They kept Noel and brought in Fournier and between their two salaries of around 25 Mil there isn’t a good player there. Add to that that Kemba isn’t reliable at 8 Mil and the FO messed up.
Yeah Randle isn’t playing as well, but wasn’t the plan to get him help so he wouldn’t have to kill himself to drag this team the playoffs? Wasn’t the plan to get a reliable PG so they wouldn’t have to have Rose play heavy minutes and injure himself?
Even if the issue is Randle has fallen off…. All this points to Leon Rose messing up.They got lucky to even come into this season with Kemba…. What really is the long term plan for this team? Before we cut off Randle like they did Zbo, they better know exactly what they are doing. Like there are some good scenarios out there too, but is there a plan for anything?
Gorilla Monsoon wrote:Ray Williams wrote:Gorilla Monsoon wrote:
Ya gotta love Piper. But in-ring.... in terms of believability, psychology and story telling... no one tops Bret. NO ONE DAMMIT.
Jimmit79 wrote:Yea RJ played well he was definitely the x factor
moocow007 wrote:Hey if the Knicks can get a real nice return for Randle then by all means but I want to make sure folks are attached to some form of reality and realistic expectations here.
From a talent standpoint folks still seem to have a hard time grasping that: a) the Knicks are one of the least talented teams in the NBA and b) you need talent to win in the NBA.
So sure, we get rid of Randle cause he can't make this team good. Fine. Then what? Get someone else that will...again...fail to make this team good enough? I just want folks to really sink this in. Stop just reacting cause something is not working for you and you want (demand!!!!) change. What system or structure do we have that is going to change anything? We trade Randle and you guys might as well just have a vote on who the next escapegoat on this team will be. Then Rinse, Repeat. How do I know this? Cause this has been happening since the mid 70's.
moocow007 wrote:Hey if the Knicks can get a real nice return for Randle then by all means but I want to make sure folks are attached to some form of reality and realistic expectations here.
From a talent standpoint folks still seem to have a hard time grasping that: a) the Knicks are one of the least talented teams in the NBA and b) you need talent to win in the NBA.
So sure, we get rid of Randle cause he can't make this team good. Fine. Then what? Get someone else that will...again...fail to make this team good enough? I just want folks to really sink this in. Stop just reacting cause something is not working for you and you want (demand!!!!) change. What system or structure do we have that is going to change anything? We trade Randle and you guys might as well just have a vote on who the next escapegoat on this team will be. Then Rinse, Repeat. How do I know this? Cause this has been happening since the mid 70's.
Zenzibar wrote:Nevertheless, Payton is not a finished product yet and unless the team moves him in a couple of weeks, I anticipate him trending upward with this coaching staff.
Reign23 wrote:I don't think the FO is giving up on him this fast.
So I would try to trade for Turner. he could open the paint for Randle and RJ. they would make them more efficient.
something around Burks, Obi and the 2022 Charlotte first could do it
