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[3toheadmelo]

The Knicks problems during the Melo and (now) Randle era is that they were unable to build a team around either guy. This in no part was due to the less than stellar front offices that they have been trotting out there for over 2 decades now. Melo and Randle aren't Lebron and the Greek Freak. You cannot simply rely on them to carry the weight that these other better players carry and be successful at it. When the best player that Melo has had consistently for the bulk of his tenure in NY is JR Smith, you know you're in trouble. Randle? Who's his counterpart? Same problem. These guys are flawed talented players that simply cannot carry shlock teams on their own to anything serious (unlike their superior and more rounded contemporaries). Doesn't mean they are the Anti-Christ (as they have been treated at times).

moo always with the facts!

[Knicksfan1992]

Melo was better scorer Randle is better all around player. If melo was allowed to play to his strengths by the refs he would have taken knicks far in playoffs unfortunately he wasn't and Randle is being handcuffed for same reasons by NBA.

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Melo in his prime was way better than Randle ever will be.

Melo's tenure with the Knicks gets underrated because arguably, his best year, was a year they missed the playoffs because of the Bargs trade, Chandler injury and Felton had personal issues that year....

Look at his game log for January to March that year trying to drag them to the playoffs....Julius has never had a sustained stretch that was that efficient and led to winning.

https://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/1975/type/nba/year/2014

[El Poochio]

Melo was better scorer Randle is better all around player. If melo was allowed to play to his strengths by the refs he would have taken knicks far in playoffs unfortunately he wasn't and Randle is being handcuffed for same reasons by NBA.

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The only reason I like this post is because Sham is going to read it and regret defending Jimmit from being banned.

Did Fournier hand out Sun Tzu books to Team Fournier like Phil Jackson

[Capn'O]

The Knicks problems during the Melo and (now) Randle era is that they were unable to build a team around either guy. This in no part was due to the less than stellar front offices that they have been trotting out there for over 2 decades now. Melo and Randle aren't Lebron and the Greek Freak. You cannot simply rely on them to carry the weight that these other better players carry and be successful at it. When the best player that Melo has had consistently for the bulk of his tenure in NY is JR Smith, you know you're in trouble. Randle? Who's his counterpart? Same problem. These guys are flawed talented players that simply cannot carry shlock teams on their own to anything serious (unlike their superior and more rounded contemporaries). Doesn't mean they are the Anti-Christ (as they have been treated at times).

In a vacuum I'd choose to build with Melo any day of the week and twice on Sundays. I opposed the Melo trade because I thought the Melo Stat pairing was limited but Randle is limited, period. You can put Melo off the ball if he trusts the guard. I haven't seen that with Randle.

That said, Randle looks more compatible with potential winning combos (games, not championships) since he's gotten back in shape. But if we had been able to pair Melo with, say, CP3 a championship was possible.

[Chanel Bomber]

Melo was better scorer Randle is better all around player. If melo was allowed to play to his strengths by the refs he would have taken knicks far in playoffs unfortunately he wasn't and Randle is being handcuffed for same reasons by NBA.

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Melo in his prime was way better than Randle ever will be.

Melo's tenure with the Knicks gets underrated because arguably, his best year, was a year they missed the playoffs because of the Bargs trade, Chandler injury and Felton had personal issues that year....

Look at his game log for January to March that year trying to drag them to the playoffs....Julius has never had a sustained stretch that was that efficient and led to winning.

https://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/1975/type/nba/year/2014

Stoudemire's return was also an underrated factor.

The Knicks were consistently worse with him on the court (-8.4 on/off per 100 possessions that year), and he moved Melo to the 3 when he wasn't playing center, where Melo was less impactful.

There's also Dolan vetoing against a trade for Lowry, who was entering his prime.

Lowry is a future Hall-of-Famer.

[Knicksfan1992]

Melo in his prime was way better than Randle ever will be.

Melo's tenure with the Knicks gets underrated because arguably, his best year, was a year they missed the playoffs because of the Bargs trade, Chandler injury and Felton had personal issues that year....

Look at his game log for January to March that year trying to drag them to the playoffs....Julius has never had a sustained stretch that was that efficient and led to winning.

https://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/1975/type/nba/year/2014

Stoudemire's return was also an underrated factor.

The Knicks were consistently worse with him on the court (-8.4 on/off per 100 possessions that year), and he moved Melo to the 3 when he wasn't playing center, where Melo was less impactful.

There's also Dolan vetoing against a trade for Lowry, who was entering his prime.

Lowry is a future Hall-of-Famer.

The worst part about the bolded is that if they just hold off on trading for Bargs, then they probably trade for Lowry. Dolan felt like they got hosed by Masai both in the Melo and Bargs deals and was trying to avoid it for a 3rd time... Dolan's ability to do everything wrong, even if well-intentioned is truly remarkable

[moocow007]

We all know Randle is not a #1. But can he even make a good #2 or #3? He struggles off the ball and his game falls apart when he doesnt have the ball. Plus he is not a good defender. Doesn't really seem like an ideal #2 or #3 either since you want those guys to be able to play off the ball some, defer and help out on defense.

Plus, yea, Randle is nowhere near as good as Melo was.

Hard to say. He's not perfect. I think we are judging him unfairly. He's not had any real teammates that can actually get him the ball when he plays more off the ball is the problem. So the frustration as the defacto "best player" is not unfounded. Should he handle it better? Sure...if he was more perfect a player. See where I'm kinda going with this?

If he had CP3 at the point, do I think he'd struggle much less off the ball and be a lot more productive as a closer? Absolutely. He has the size, strength, agility and skill combination to make him a nightmare to defend if he were to get the ball in a more advantageous position than what he's basically had to deal with his entire Knick career (same with Melo to be honest).

Just think about it. When does Randle get the ball? When the ball is slowly advanced up the court by someone that isn't a real PG and then handed to him with the opposing defense pretty much ready and set? And then he tries to make his move with very little talent around him to draw defenses from whatever moves he's trying to make.

Randle doesn't have the ball skills of an elite offensive guard/wing and he doesn't have the passing skills of a top end starting PG that fans may be unconsciously expecting him to serve the role as...and yet that is his job as a Knick cause the Knicks poorly constructed roster forces him to be so.

As far as defense goes, there are plenty of top end offensive guys that are not good defenders (KAT, Zion, etc) that folks are asking to be the center stone of their team...and all these guys are on teams that have a lot more talent and guys that can actually set them up for easy shots.

Folks are missing that Randle has to spend a lot lot lot of energy on the court to do things that he probably shouldn't need to do (even more than Melo had) if this team had more talent and was constructed better and that pretty none of his contemporaries have to do (cause they all have much better teammates). That's not an easy thing to do...especially if you're not in that superstar category (which he's obviously not).

No, Randle isn't great (definitely not as great as some people expect him to be) but there needs to be some consideration here of what the poor guy has around him and how much of a load he has to carry compared to the no.1 options of pretty much every other team in the NBA (other than maybe Cade in Detroit and Luca in Dallas?). Luca is a superstar so hard to compare why the Mavs are better than the Knicks record wise. Cade is in his 2nd year and the Pistons are brutal still cause he's not able to be the type of player that a poorly built and low talented team like the Pistons need their "no.1" guy to be.

[Knicksfan1992]

The Knicks problems during the Melo and (now) Randle era is that they were unable to build a team around either guy. This in no part was due to the less than stellar front offices that they have been trotting out there for over 2 decades now. Melo and Randle aren't Lebron and the Greek Freak. You cannot simply rely on them to carry the weight that these other better players carry and be successful at it. When the best player that Melo has had consistently for the bulk of his tenure in NY is JR Smith, you know you're in trouble. Randle? Who's his counterpart? Same problem. These guys are flawed talented players that simply cannot carry shlock teams on their own to anything serious (unlike their superior and more rounded contemporaries). Doesn't mean they are the Anti-Christ (as they have been treated at times).

In a vacuum I'd choose to build with Melo any day of the week and twice on Sundays. I opposed the Melo trade because I thought the Melo Stat pairing was limited but Randle is limited, period. You can put Melo off the ball if he trusts the guard. I haven't seen that with Randle.

That said, Randle looks more compatible with potential winning combos (games, not championships) since he's gotten back in shape. But if we had been able to pair Melo with, say, CP3 a championship was possible.

For me, Melo's ability to basically get a bucket at any point in a game, no matter the coverage, was not appreciated enough because everyone wanted him to be carbon copy of LeBron which was just never his game..

The false dichotomy around Melo was always that he was tough to build around, but that's because both of the teams that had him in his prime got it wrong to an extent (Knicks way worse than the Nuggets did). Nuggets finally got the right point guard to pair him with in Chauncey but he was just a little too past his prime at that point to take them over the top. They also never really got the right defensive big man to anchor around Melo.

Knicks paired him with another injury prone offense-first scorer which led to diminishing returns on both of their skillsets at that time. Funnily enough though I think that pairing would have aged better because in modern day ball because Stoudemire would be more encouraged to shoot the 3 which I think he could have done given more free reign to shoot them and it would be easier to get away with playing STAT at C nowadays than it was when the big man still reigned supreme pre-Warriors.

I always felt like if you got Melo the right floor general at PG and good role players who can do some things off the dribble, defend and shoot, then you could have won a title with him. Knicks in 2012-13 got the closest IMO they just lacked the little extra juice needed to beat an elite defensive team. Then they completely went the opposite direction like the idiots they were at the time . The blueprint for Melo would have been the year the Raps won with Kawhi. Tough to build but not impossible. Knicks could just never get it right mainly because Stoudemire became a lame duck...

[moocow007]

The Knicks problems during the Melo and (now) Randle era is that they were unable to build a team around either guy. This in no part was due to the less than stellar front offices that they have been trotting out there for over 2 decades now. Melo and Randle aren't Lebron and the Greek Freak. You cannot simply rely on them to carry the weight that these other better players carry and be successful at it. When the best player that Melo has had consistently for the bulk of his tenure in NY is JR Smith, you know you're in trouble. Randle? Who's his counterpart? Same problem. These guys are flawed talented players that simply cannot carry shlock teams on their own to anything serious (unlike their superior and more rounded contemporaries). Doesn't mean they are the Anti-Christ (as they have been treated at times).

In a vacuum I'd choose to build with Melo any day of the week and twice on Sundays. I opposed the Melo trade because I thought the Melo Stat pairing was limited but Randle is limited, period. You can put Melo off the ball if he trusts the guard. I haven't seen that with Randle.

That said, Randle looks more compatible with potential winning combos (games, not championships) since he's gotten back in shape. But if we had been able to pair Melo with, say, CP3 a championship was possible.

For me, Melo's ability to basically get a bucket at any point in a game, no matter the coverage, was not appreciated enough because everyone wanted him to be carbon copy of LeBron which was just never his game..

The false dichotomy around Melo was always that he was tough to build around, but that's because both of the teams that had him in his prime got it wrong to an extent (Knicks way worse than the Nuggets did). Nuggets finally got the right point guard to pair him with in Chauncey but he was just a little too past his prime at that point to take them over the top. They also never really got the right defensive big man to anchor around Melo.

Knicks paired him with another injury prone offense-first scorer which led to diminishing returns on both of their skillsets at that time. Funnily enough though I think that pairing would have aged better because in modern day ball because Stoudemire would be more encouraged to shoot the 3 which I think he could have done given more free reign to shoot them and it would be easier to get away with playing STAT at C nowadays than it was when the big man still reigned supreme pre-Warriors.

I always felt like if you got Melo the right floor general at PG and good role players who can do some things off the dribble, defend and shoot, then you could have won a title with him. Knicks in 2012-13 got the closest IMO they just lacked the little extra juice needed to beat an elite defensive team. Then they completely went the opposite direction like the idiots they were at the time . The blueprint for Melo would have been the year the Raps won with Kawhi. Tough to build but not impossible. Knicks could just never get it right mainly because Stoudemire became a lame duck...

Agreed on Melo. That's why I never quite got the absolute hatred he was getting by so many Knick fans. The reality is that while the Knicks gave up more than they probably needed to to get Melo (not Melo's fault no matter how people want to try and spin it), it still was not a lot when all things considered. Melo basically forcing his way to NY guaranteed that the other teams (and there were a lot of other teams that would have been interested) that had more to offer Denver didn't factor into the trade. And then the Knicks front office simply could not figure out a way to build a team around Melo (for but that one year in 2012-2013) that can actually maximize Melo's skills, minimize his weaknesses and win (again not Melos' fault unless you believe that Melo was the GM lol). The Melo situation, just like in varying degrees to the Ewing situation, the Starbury situation and now the Randle situation is that the front office were unable to build a good enough team around their "no.1 guy" to do anything. Ewing was the best player and had the best team built around him and that's why he got the farthest but still not far enough. Then every one of these other "no.1" guys that were not as good as Ewing had even worse teams constructed around him than Ewing had and...ergo...minimized their strengths and maximized their weaknesses...resulting in 20+ years of frustration and futility. When Eddy Curry was consistently the best talent next to Marbury, JR Smith the best talent next to Melo and RJ Barret the best talent next to Randle and all of them were on seriously flawed teams (again except that 2012-2013 Knick team) it's an impossible task to expect these guys to do anything that the fans want them to do.

[Knicksfan1992]

In a vacuum I'd choose to build with Melo any day of the week and twice on Sundays. I opposed the Melo trade because I thought the Melo Stat pairing was limited but Randle is limited, period. You can put Melo off the ball if he trusts the guard. I haven't seen that with Randle.

That said, Randle looks more compatible with potential winning combos (games, not championships) since he's gotten back in shape. But if we had been able to pair Melo with, say, CP3 a championship was possible.

For me, Melo's ability to basically get a bucket at any point in a game, no matter the coverage, was not appreciated enough because everyone wanted him to be carbon copy of LeBron which was just never his game..

The false dichotomy around Melo was always that he was tough to build around, but that's because both of the teams that had him in his prime got it wrong to an extent (Knicks way worse than the Nuggets did). Nuggets finally got the right point guard to pair him with in Chauncey but he was just a little too past his prime at that point to take them over the top. They also never really got the right defensive big man to anchor around Melo.

Knicks paired him with another injury prone offense-first scorer which led to diminishing returns on both of their skillsets at that time. Funnily enough though I think that pairing would have aged better because in modern day ball because Stoudemire would be more encouraged to shoot the 3 which I think he could have done given more free reign to shoot them and it would be easier to get away with playing STAT at C nowadays than it was when the big man still reigned supreme pre-Warriors.

I always felt like if you got Melo the right floor general at PG and good role players who can do some things off the dribble, defend and shoot, then you could have won a title with him. Knicks in 2012-13 got the closest IMO they just lacked the little extra juice needed to beat an elite defensive team. Then they completely went the opposite direction like the idiots they were at the time . The blueprint for Melo would have been the year the Raps won with Kawhi. Tough to build but not impossible. Knicks could just never get it right mainly because Stoudemire became a lame duck...

Agreed on Melo. That's why I never quite got the absolute hatred he was getting by so many Knick fans. The reality is that while the Knicks gave up more than they probably needed to to get Melo (not Melo's fault no matter how people want to try and spin it), it still was not a lot when all things considered. Melo basically forcing his way to NY guaranteed that the other teams (and there were a lot of other teams that would have been interested) that had more to offer Denver didn't factor into the trade. And then the Knicks front office simply could not figure out a way to build a team around Melo (for but that one year in 2012-2013) that can actually maximize Melo's skills, minimize his weaknesses and win (again not Melos' fault unless you believe that Melo was the GM lol). The Melo situation, just like in varying degrees to the Ewing situation, the Starbury situation and now the Randle situation is that the front office were unable to build a good enough team around their "no.1 guy" to do anything. Ewing was the best player and had the best team built around him and that's why he got the farthest but still not far enough. Then every one of these other "no.1" guys that were not as good as Ewing had even worse teams constructed around him than Ewing had and...ergo...minimized their strengths and maximized their weaknesses...resulting in 20+ years of frustration and futility.

The trade basically solidified that there were going to be a certain group of Knick fans who hated him, unless he won a title, because that was the first young core we had built that had sustained any modicum of success for a LONG TIME and they moved it away for one shiny piece. It was always the right call, but I can admit it was a tough pill to swallow.

I agree, the problem wasn't the trade itself, but the people in charge of building after the trade and the general instability that followed. In hindsight, they definitely could have shaved more off that trade to give them some margin for error in the following years. But honestly, even if they keep Wilson Chandler out of it and don't include the pick swaps they're probably still screwed because of Amare anyway. Just can't really survive a Max player basically not giving you anything lol

[Capn'O]

For me, Melo's ability to basically get a bucket at any point in a game, no matter the coverage, was not appreciated enough because everyone wanted him to be carbon copy of LeBron which was just never his game..

The false dichotomy around Melo was always that he was tough to build around, but that's because both of the teams that had him in his prime got it wrong to an extent (Knicks way worse than the Nuggets did). Nuggets finally got the right point guard to pair him with in Chauncey but he was just a little too past his prime at that point to take them over the top. They also never really got the right defensive big man to anchor around Melo.

Knicks paired him with another injury prone offense-first scorer which led to diminishing returns on both of their skillsets at that time. Funnily enough though I think that pairing would have aged better because in modern day ball because Stoudemire would be more encouraged to shoot the 3 which I think he could have done given more free reign to shoot them and it would be easier to get away with playing STAT at C nowadays than it was when the big man still reigned supreme pre-Warriors.

I always felt like if you got Melo the right floor general at PG and good role players who can do some things off the dribble, defend and shoot, then you could have won a title with him. Knicks in 2012-13 got the closest IMO they just lacked the little extra juice needed to beat an elite defensive team. Then they completely went the opposite direction like the idiots they were at the time . The blueprint for Melo would have been the year the Raps won with Kawhi. Tough to build but not impossible. Knicks could just never get it right mainly because Stoudemire became a lame duck...

Agreed on Melo. That's why I never quite got the absolute hatred he was getting by so many Knick fans. The reality is that while the Knicks gave up more than they probably needed to to get Melo (not Melo's fault no matter how people want to try and spin it), it still was not a lot when all things considered. Melo basically forcing his way to NY guaranteed that the other teams (and there were a lot of other teams that would have been interested) that had more to offer Denver didn't factor into the trade. And then the Knicks front office simply could not figure out a way to build a team around Melo (for but that one year in 2012-2013) that can actually maximize Melo's skills, minimize his weaknesses and win (again not Melos' fault unless you believe that Melo was the GM lol). The Melo situation, just like in varying degrees to the Ewing situation, the Starbury situation and now the Randle situation is that the front office were unable to build a good enough team around their "no.1 guy" to do anything. Ewing was the best player and had the best team built around him and that's why he got the farthest but still not far enough. Then every one of these other "no.1" guys that were not as good as Ewing had even worse teams constructed around him than Ewing had and...ergo...minimized their strengths and maximized their weaknesses...resulting in 20+ years of frustration and futility.

The trade basically solidified that there were going to be a certain group of Knick fans who hated him, unless he won a title, because that was the first young core we had built that had sustained any modicum of success for a LONG TIME and they moved it away for one shiny piece. It was always the right call, but I can admit it was a tough pill to swallow.

I agree, the problem wasn't the trade itself, but the people in charge of building after the trade and the general instability that followed. In hindsight, they definitely could have shaved more off that trade to give them some margin for error in the following years. But honestly, even if they keep Wilson Chandler out of it and don't include the pick swaps they're probably still screwed because of Amare anyway. Just can't really survive a Max player basically not giving you anything lol

You were right the first time. If we wanted to get Melo, we needed to move Amare right away.

[Guano]

Melo was better scorer Randle is better all around player. If melo was allowed to play to his strengths by the refs he would have taken knicks far in playoffs unfortunately he wasn't and Randle is being handcuffed for same reasons by NBA.

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The only reason I like this post is because Sham is going to read it and regret defending Jimmit from being banned.

Did Fournier hand out Sun Tzu books to Team Fournier like Phil Jackson

He dropped Death Ground Strategy in a Gram post like a middle aged white woman quoting Brene Brown and we picked it up and are running with it.

[HarthorneWingo]

but but but we gave up too much to get him

Melo was Randle without the assists or rebounds.

yes, this is how Carmelo Anthony is viewed around the league. Julius Randle without the assists or Rebounds.

I only care about what an atrocity he was for our team. One winning season in 7 years. What a great player.

[Chanel Bomber]

Melo was Randle without the assists or rebounds.

yes, this is how Carmelo Anthony is viewed around the league. Julius Randle without the assists or Rebounds.

I only care about what an atrocity he was for our team. One winning season in 7 years. What a great player.

That would be 3, Wingo.

Either way, his jersey will be in the rafters with Willis Reed, Clyde Frazier and Patrick Ewing

[Reign23]

Melo was Randle without the assists or rebounds.

yes, this is how Carmelo Anthony is viewed around the league. Julius Randle without the assists or Rebounds.

I only care about what an atrocity he was for our team. One winning season in 7 years. What a great player.

uh.... I leave it at that.

[KnicksNext]

It one thing to say you expect a player to become another player...but just on a style basis, he reminds be of Ben Wallace. Ultra high motor, great strength and athleticism. He doesn't yet display the defense skills or rim protection...but just his raw energy,hops, and strength...made me think of Ben.

I get it. Physically yes and with some aspects of how he plays for sure. The difference is that Ben Wallace (even coming out of Virginia Union) had a nasty edge to his game that Sims doesn't seem to have. And that type of intensity (along with his crazy physical package) is what ultimately set Ben Wallace on track to be one of the best defensive players in NBA history. Had to since Wallace was only about 6'7" without the fro top.

Right Sims lack of emotion reminds me of Tim Duncan

Sims is a combination of Tim Duncan, Ben Wallace, and Jarrett Allen. I can't believe he almost wasn't drafted. What a steal!

[KnicksNext]

Thanks for enlightening us on Ben Wallace's greatness. Next time we'll check with you before talking about our rook's potential.

I should...check my fragile ego, instead of embarrassing myself because I'm for starved for... attention.

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I think that's you with all you homer takes on every player the knicks have. The whole board knows your opinions are meaningless, because they always have a homer slant to them. Our team sucks, and we don't have a lot of talent. If someone who didn't know the Knicks read all your posts, they would think we're competing for a championships with 6 future all-stars on the roster.

Like I said before.. it's fine to be hopeful about our youth, but it's time to stop acting like every single young player we have will be a future all-star. That's the reason Knicks fans get ripped so much. We've pumped up every player we've had for at least the last 10 years. And none of them have matched the hype that posters like you create. Sims AT BEST will be a solid role player. A potential poor man's Mitch. Will that be a bad thing? Hell no. But he's not going to be Ben Wallace. Just stop.

[KnicksNext]

Thanks for enlightening us on Ben Wallace's greatness. Next time we'll check with you before talking about our rook's potential.

You should, instead of embarrassing yourself trying to compare a 2nd round draft pick to an all-time great.

If Ben Wallace hadn't been traded from the Bullets he'd be Theo Ratcliff.

If you say so

[RHODEY]

I should...check my fragile ego, instead of embarrassing myself because I'm for starved for... attention.

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I think that's you with all you homer takes on every player the knicks have. The whole board knows your opinions are meaningless, because they always have a homer slant to them. Our team sucks, and we don't have a lot of talent. If someone who didn't know the Knicks read all your posts, they would think we're competing for a championships with 6 future all-stars on the roster.

Like I said before.. it's fine to be hopeful about our youth, but it's time to stop acting like every single young player we have will be a future all-star. That's the reason Knicks fans get ripped so much. We've pumped up every player we've had for at least the last 10 years. And none of them have matched the hype that posters like you create. Sims AT BEST will be a solid role player. A potential poor man's Mitch. Will that be a bad thing? Hell no. But he's not going to be Ben Wallace. Just stop.

For a balboy who just got here you seem to know a lot.
Or are you really just a disgruntled former poster that got banned and is coming back for more?
If you could engage like a normal person I'd be happy to banter, but you sound like someone who's just in it for the Drama...or a 12 year who just discovered pornhub for the first time. Sorry cant help you there ...have fun.

[KnicksNext]

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I think that's you with all you homer takes on every player the knicks have. The whole board knows your opinions are meaningless, because they always have a homer slant to them. Our team sucks, and we don't have a lot of talent. If someone who didn't know the Knicks read all your posts, they would think we're competing for a championships with 6 future all-stars on the roster.

Like I said before.. it's fine to be hopeful about our youth, but it's time to stop acting like every single young player we have will be a future all-star. That's the reason Knicks fans get ripped so much. We've pumped up every player we've had for at least the last 10 years. And none of them have matched the hype that posters like you create. Sims AT BEST will be a solid role player. A potential poor man's Mitch. Will that be a bad thing? Hell no. But he's not going to be Ben Wallace. Just stop.

For a balboy who just got here you seem to know a lot.
Or are you really just a disgruntled former poster that got banned and is coming back for more?
If you could engage like a normal person I'd be happy to banter, but you sound like someone who's just in it for the Drama...or a 12 year who just discovered pornhub for the first time. Sorry cant help you there ...have fun.

You just don't like getting called out. And I would not have done, if you didn't get personal with me from the jump. You don't have to post on Real GM to know the Knicks well. And as you can see, I've been reading for some time. I like this board, but I prefer to be a realist when it comes to our players. Sims is not a future hall of fame player, sorry dude.