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Will the Knicks regret the RJ extension?

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Will the Knicks regret the RJ extension?

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Re: Will the Knicks regret the RJ extension? 

Post#241 » by NoLayupRule » Tue Dec 5, 2023 6:33 pm

in this new market hes not even close to overpaid

starting next year the new cba will make that even more the case

RJ is productive, young and a great teamate

people need to stop hyping players who are young and then whipping players who havent reached their full potential yet
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Re: Will the Knicks regret the RJ extension? 

Post#242 » by seren » Tue Dec 5, 2023 11:19 pm

Weird to say for the Knicks, but we don’t have many overpaid players. We have only one in Fournier and that is it
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Re: Will the Knicks regret the RJ extension? 

Post#243 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Dec 6, 2023 3:09 am

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Re: Will the Knicks regret the RJ extension? 

Post#244 » by dakomish23 » Wed Dec 6, 2023 5:36 am

How pathetic and embarrassing

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Re: Will the Knicks regret the RJ extension? 

Post#245 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Dec 6, 2023 1:32 pm

dakomish23 wrote:How pathetic and embarrassing

3toheadmelo wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:
Let’s go

3toheadrj dak!!

3toheadrj

You still in meltdown mode? :lol:
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Re: Will the Knicks regret the RJ extension? 

Post#246 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Dec 6, 2023 1:46 pm

Randle had a historically awful start to the season and yet RJ has a worse FG% than him :lol:
RJs FG% 41.8%
Randle's FG% 43%
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Re: Will the Knicks regret the RJ extension? 

Post#247 » by Buttah304 » Wed Dec 6, 2023 2:51 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:Randle had a historically awful start to the season and yet RJ has a worse FG% than him :lol:
RJs FG% 41.8%
Randle's FG% 43%


RJs shooting 46% on layups and 29% from the mid range this year. He’s also 4-12 on that finger roll shot he keeps attempting instead of going up strong. Hes 5-27 from 3PT over his last 6 games. But hey let’s be positive - he grabbed over 7 rebounds last night for the first time in 30 regular season games and since Nov 20th he’s got an insanely efficient 14 assists to 14 turnovers. This could all be related to migraines, the impending El Niño season or an unseen comet headed our way.
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Re: Will the Knicks regret the RJ extension? 

Post#248 » by god shammgod » Wed Dec 6, 2023 4:32 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:Randle had a historically awful start to the season and yet RJ has a worse FG% than him :lol:
RJs FG% 41.8%
Randle's FG% 43%


RJs shooting 46% on layups and 29% from the mid range this year. He’s also 4-12 on that finger roll shot he keeps attempting instead of going up strong. Hes 5-27 from 3PT over his last 6 games. But hey let’s be positive - he grabbed over 7 rebounds last night for the first time in 30 regular season games and since Nov 20th he’s got an insanely efficient 14 assists to 14 turnovers. This could all be related to migraines, the impending El Niño season or an unseen comet headed our way.


basically, that early 3 point percentage which was better than anyone shoots came crashing down and now he's just rj again.
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Post#249 » by Chanel Bomber » Wed Dec 6, 2023 5:02 pm

I say pay attention to RJ's defense because if he regresses on defense he'll be back to being one of the worst big-minute players in the NBA.

In terms of impact, him sustaining his defense from the first 10 games of the season will be his saving grace.

But if his defense slips and reverts to 2022-23 level, he'll return to being a huge net negative and one of the worst contracts in the NBA (on-court impact to dollar).

Because his efficiency may crash even further. His 3P% is still 3.7 percentage points higher than his career average. It's entirely possible it stabilizes at around 38% as part of his developmental trajectory (and great if it does), but history suggests the 3-point shooting may regress further.
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Re: Will the Knicks regret the RJ extension? 

Post#250 » by Buttah304 » Wed Dec 6, 2023 5:28 pm

god shammgod wrote:
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3toheadmelo wrote:Randle had a historically awful start to the season and yet RJ has a worse FG% than him :lol:
RJs FG% 41.8%
Randle's FG% 43%


RJs shooting 46% on layups and 29% from the mid range this year. He’s also 4-12 on that finger roll shot he keeps attempting instead of going up strong. Hes 5-27 from 3PT over his last 6 games. But hey let’s be positive - he grabbed over 7 rebounds last night for the first time in 30 regular season games and since Nov 20th he’s got an insanely efficient 14 assists to 14 turnovers. This could all be related to migraines, the impending El Niño season or an unseen comet headed our way.


basically, that early 3 point percentage which was better than anyone shoots came crashing down and now he's just rj again.


I’m not even someone who believes his contract is truly horrendous or wildly cap restricting. I’m just of the mindset that you can do better than shelling out 28-29Ms for him until 26/27. My preference would be to trade him for someone expiring + an asset to clear him off the books. You then decline Fournier & let someone overpay for iHart. Moving further down the road, Randle will most likely decline his player option in 25/26 and he can sign with someone else. Grimes value is plummeting faster than Marvel movies so I don’t really see him in the long term plans either. If were truly building with Jalen in mind I think you need to tear down this RJ/Julius pairing within the next 24 months. They are below average shooters, defenders, lack any sort of switch-ability and aren’t very athletic. Honestly there is so much to do that it’s overwhelming and I don’t envy not having this job.
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Re: Will the Knicks regret the RJ extension? 

Post#251 » by HopelessKnick » Wed Dec 6, 2023 6:35 pm

I had really high hopes after the strong start to the season----despite his recent bad stretch of games there is still an aspect to his game that leaves me with a little bit of hope that 2 months from now we will generally view him more positively.

His free throw shooting: He really has been very very consistent here and is currently at 85%. Usually when players make such a jump into the 80%+ range in Free throws, their jumpshots does tend to get more stable and reliable.
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Re: Will the Knicks regret the RJ extension? 

Post#252 » by Guano » Wed Dec 6, 2023 7:01 pm

NoLayupRule wrote:in this new market hes not even close to overpaid

starting next year the new cba will make that even more the case

RJ is productive, young and a great teamate

people need to stop hyping players who are young and then whipping players who havent reached their full potential yet


How magnanimous

lowering the bar for a 3rd overall pick.
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Re: Will the Knicks regret the RJ extension? 

Post#253 » by NoLayupRule » Thu Dec 7, 2023 3:29 am

Guano wrote:
NoLayupRule wrote:in this new market hes not even close to overpaid

starting next year the new cba will make that even more the case

RJ is productive, young and a great teamate

people need to stop hyping players who are young and then whipping players who havent reached their full potential yet


How magnanimous

lowering the bar for a 3rd overall pick.

well if the bar is a player who plays 20 games a year or another one whos on the verge of being kicked out of the nba if hes suspended again then id say RJ leaps right over that bar
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Re: Will the Knicks regret the RJ extension? 

Post#254 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Dec 7, 2023 5:18 am

Chanel Bomber wrote:I say pay attention to RJ's defense because if he regresses on defense he'll be back to being one of the worst big-minute players in the NBA.

In terms of impact, him sustaining his defense from the first 10 games of the season will be his saving grace.

But if his defense slips and reverts to 2022-23 level, he'll return to being a huge net negative and one of the worst contracts in the NBA (on-court impact to dollar).

Because his efficiency may crash even further. His 3P% is still 3.7 percentage points higher than his career average. It's entirely possible it stabilizes at around 38% as part of his developmental trajectory (and great if it does), but history suggests the 3-point shooting may regress further.

He still needs to make better decisions with ball. Even if his defense remains solid, sometimes he takes the offense out of rhythm.
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Re: Will the Knicks regret the RJ extension? 

Post#255 » by dakomish23 » Thu Dec 7, 2023 6:17 am

3toheadmelo wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:How pathetic and embarrassing

3toheadmelo wrote:3toheadrj dak!!

3toheadrj

You still in meltdown mode? :lol:


It’s really getting under your skin that I use your own words against you :lol:

Keep this same energy instead of being a bandwagon dude and this won’t be an issue
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Re: Will the Knicks regret the RJ extension? 

Post#256 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Dec 7, 2023 7:15 am

dakomish23 wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:How pathetic and embarrassing


You still in meltdown mode? :lol:


It’s really getting under your skin that I use your own words against you :lol:

Keep this same energy instead of being a bandwagon dude and this won’t be an issue

What does "dak" mean? :dontknow:
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Re: Will the Knicks regret the RJ extension? 

Post#257 » by 3toheadmelo » Thu Dec 7, 2023 11:45 am

dakomish23 wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:How pathetic and embarrassing


You still in meltdown mode? :lol:


It’s really getting under your skin that I use your own words against you :lol:

Keep this same energy instead of being a bandwagon dude and this won’t be an issue

You the one butthurt every time I call you a homer. Hell you even getting destroyed in the PG thread :rofl:


What happened to ya mans musa btw? :lol:
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Post#258 » by Montmorencie » Thu Dec 7, 2023 12:45 pm

Will? They already do.
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Post#259 » by Jalen Bluntson » Thu Dec 7, 2023 2:10 pm

If you are a Randle fan, you should support RJ with the same energy. They are similar players and it took Randle 7 years to get where he is today. No one wanted him when we signed him. Then he became all NBA/all star 7 years after he was drafted!! RJ is working his way there. No love for the kid at all? Nonsense.m
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Post#260 » by nedleeds » Thu Dec 7, 2023 2:33 pm

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Chanel Bomber wrote:I say pay attention to RJ's defense because if he regresses on defense he'll be back to being one of the worst big-minute players in the NBA.

In terms of impact, him sustaining his defense from the first 10 games of the season will be his saving grace.

But if his defense slips and reverts to 2022-23 level, he'll return to being a huge net negative and one of the worst contracts in the NBA (on-court impact to dollar).

Because his efficiency may crash even further. His 3P% is still 3.7 percentage points higher than his career average. It's entirely possible it stabilizes at around 38% as part of his developmental trajectory (and great if it does), but history suggests the 3-point shooting may regress further.

He still needs to make better decisions with ball. Even if his defense remains solid, sometimes he takes the offense out of rhythm.

Its hard to make decisions with the ball when you can't shoot or finish ... or pass or dribble quickly.
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