PG: Knicks fall short in loss to Celts

[NoDopeOnSundays]

How impactful was his defense against Kristaps? First game against them he was in foul trouble, second game against them he was on the perimeter and his rim protection was null and void as a result. Kristaps is 8-16 on shots being guarded by him and his team has scored 79 pts as a result of that matchup, their highest total on the season. The next closest matchup has resulted in 45 team pts, he and his team feasts against Mitch but but defense!!

It's absurd to me that some of you can't see this simple thing, negate his defense with shooting and then make him a negative on offense because of his lack of skill. This is how rim runners have been sent to die for the last 10 years.

So true.

Mitch would make a great backup. But in this era....you can't have him as your starting C if you are trying to build a contender.

Regular season, you'll have some games where he looks like Godzilla grabbing offensive boards/put backs and we forget
..

Teams like Miami, Philly, Boston, Bucks, all will use Mitch like a toy in the playoffs. It's a legit strategy to exploit him. They even employed the hackamitch last night... so disrespectful

Watching the film it looks like sometimes Mitch is a defender for the other team the way he draws the opposing big to the basket to contest our penetrators.

Which is why we should've played zone.

That would help, problem is the coach will never do it.

[Jalen Bluntson]

jesus we're fine guys. tough schedule, RJ missing games, Randle can't hit the side of a barn and we're .500.

You would think people were paying attention. They're too busy dreaming up multi team trades to get KAT/LaVine here.

The toughest schedule I can ever remember seeing without our big three playing well or even playing at all. We are .500 after a rough ten game stretch full of a ridiculous amount of back to backs to start the season.

Or

The sky is falling because we don't have a backup PF.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Id rather keep Brunson, Grimes, RJ then add Lavine or Derozan at what they would cost. They really don't fit.

The only way I see that Lavine could make sense is if we are moving Randle... Not sure if that would put us in a better spot

[NoDopeOnSundays]

On the surface we might be similar to that Clippers team, but we have an RJ.... and Mitch IMO is way more impactful defensively than Jordan, while receiving way less lob opportunities.

How impactful was his defense against Kristaps? First game against them he was in foul trouble, second game against them he was on the perimeter and his rim protection was null and void as a result. Kristaps is 8-16 on shots being guarded by him and his team has scored 79 pts as a result of that matchup, their highest total on the season. The next closest matchup has resulted in 45 team pts, he and his team feasts against Mitch but but defense!!

It's absurd to me that some of you can't see this simple thing, negate his defense with shooting and then make him a negative on offense because of his lack of skill. This is how rim runners have been sent to die for the last 10 years.

Porzingis is a Unicorn.... overall Mitch is one of the best defensive centers in the league and likely a DPOY candidate. The fact that you frame your argument based on his defense against a single pink elephant center is comical to me.Did Mitch get burned by Wemby? Nah quite the opposite...but of course you didn't mention that particular matchup.

You just make my argument for me, it's hilarious to be honest. Ben Simmons finished second in DPOY voting, and Rudy Gobert has won 3 of those awards, they are both garbage men. Jesus, youre using his defense against a 19 year old rookie as proof of what? The guys he's going to be judged on are Embiid, Bam and Kristaps because one of those 3 guys will be facing off against him in the playoffs more than likely if we make it.

How is this different from all the people that swore Ben Simmons wasn't a problem for the Sixers? Both occupy the dunkers spot, both play with players that love to play in the paint. Both cannot make freethrows and Simmons was more skilled. Your defense cannot make up for your offense in the playoffs when you're a guy that cannot create or space when your opponent can. You're arguing something that has repeatedly failed in the modern NBA.

[NiceLikeChrist]

Last thing we need is to trade for another 6’5 guard

[Jalen Bluntson]

How impactful was his defense against Kristaps? First game against them he was in foul trouble, second game against them he was on the perimeter and his rim protection was null and void as a result. Kristaps is 8-16 on shots being guarded by him and his team has scored 79 pts as a result of that matchup, their highest total on the season. The next closest matchup has resulted in 45 team pts, he and his team feasts against Mitch but but defense!!

It's absurd to me that some of you can't see this simple thing, negate his defense with shooting and then make him a negative on offense because of his lack of skill. This is how rim runners have been sent to die for the last 10 years.

Porzingis is a Unicorn.... overall Mitch is one of the best defensive centers in the league and likely a DPOY candidate. The fact that you frame your argument based on his defense against a single pink elephant center is comical to me.Did Mitch get burned by Wemby? Nah quite the opposite...but of course you didn't mention that particular matchup.

You just make my argument for me, it's hilarious to be honest. Ben Simmons finished second in DPOY voting, and Rudy Gobert has won 3 of those awards, they are both garbage men. Jesus, youre using his defense against a 19 year old rookie as proof of what? The guys he's going to be judged on are Embiid, Bam and Kristaps because one of those 3 guys will be facing off against him in the playoffs more than likely if we make it.

How is this different from all the people that swore Ben Simmons wasn't a problem for the Sixers? Both occupy the dunkers spot, both play with players that love to play in the paint. Both cannot make freethrows and Simmons was more skilled. Your defense cannot make up for your offense in the playoffs when you're a guy that cannot create or space when your opponent can. You're arguing something that has repeatedly failed in the modern NBA.

Defenses get tighter in the playoffs. Isn't that what everyone uses as an argument against offensive players? I didn't necessarily disagree with you about the issues created by the lack of spacing Mitch provides on offense. I don't agree that he's a problem for this team though and, should we find this miracle offensive center you want, we can always move Mitch to the bench.

Or we could assume that this is what the HC wants from his players and blame him? We have seen countless videos of Mitch shooting threes and driving from the perimeter to score. We never see any of it in games though. When iHart is out there, we don't see him spreading the floor much either.

[F N 11]

Well Scott Perry says we shouldn’t trade Randle. So glad he’s gone. Says we should add to Randle and see what happens. No, Randle messes up the flow of the game too consistently for me.

[RHODEY]

How impactful was his defense against Kristaps? First game against them he was in foul trouble, second game against them he was on the perimeter and his rim protection was null and void as a result. Kristaps is 8-16 on shots being guarded by him and his team has scored 79 pts as a result of that matchup, their highest total on the season. The next closest matchup has resulted in 45 team pts, he and his team feasts against Mitch but but defense!!

It's absurd to me that some of you can't see this simple thing, negate his defense with shooting and then make him a negative on offense because of his lack of skill. This is how rim runners have been sent to die for the last 10 years.

Porzingis is a Unicorn.... overall Mitch is one of the best defensive centers in the league and likely a DPOY candidate. The fact that you frame your argument based on his defense against a single pink elephant center is comical to me.Did Mitch get burned by Wemby? Nah quite the opposite...but of course you didn't mention that particular matchup.

You just make my argument for me, it's hilarious to be honest. Ben Simmons finished second in DPOY voting, and Rudy Gobert has won 3 of those awards, they are both garbage men. Jesus, youre using his defense against a 19 year old rookie as proof of what? The guys he's going to be judged on are Embiid, Bam and Kristaps because one of those 3 guys will be facing off against him in the playoffs more than likely if we make it.

How is this different from all the people that swore Ben Simmons wasn't a problem for the Sixers? Both occupy the dunkers spot, both play with players that love to play in the paint. Both cannot make freethrows and Simmons was more skilled. Your defense cannot make up for your offense in the playoffs when you're a guy that cannot create or space when your opponent can. You're arguing something that has repeatedly failed in the modern NBA.

He's key to our offense as well. Where do you think we'd be without his offensive rebounding? He had something like 3rd highest offensive rating last season even though we were inefficient shooting...why do you think that was the case? So you are proving my argument...our defense makes our offense. This also held true in the playoffs where Mitch single-handedly dominated their heralded front court and we gentlemen swept the Cavs. So while I would like for Mitch to be able to shoot with range..I think he's pretty darn valuable to this team as is.

Ben Simmons is a completely different player than Mitch. Meanwhile Gobert is currently anchoring the best defense in the league for a team that has already beaten some of the best teams in the league. Calling him a garage man is ..... So once again you are proving my argument.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Porzingis is a Unicorn.... overall Mitch is one of the best defensive centers in the league and likely a DPOY candidate. The fact that you frame your argument based on his defense against a single pink elephant center is comical to me.Did Mitch get burned by Wemby? Nah quite the opposite...but of course you didn't mention that particular matchup.

You just make my argument for me, it's hilarious to be honest. Ben Simmons finished second in DPOY voting, and Rudy Gobert has won 3 of those awards, they are both garbage men. Jesus, youre using his defense against a 19 year old rookie as proof of what? The guys he's going to be judged on are Embiid, Bam and Kristaps because one of those 3 guys will be facing off against him in the playoffs more than likely if we make it.

How is this different from all the people that swore Ben Simmons wasn't a problem for the Sixers? Both occupy the dunkers spot, both play with players that love to play in the paint. Both cannot make freethrows and Simmons was more skilled. Your defense cannot make up for your offense in the playoffs when you're a guy that cannot create or space when your opponent can. You're arguing something that has repeatedly failed in the modern NBA.

Defenses get tighter in the playoffs. Isn't that what everyone uses as an argument against offensive players? I didn't necessarily disagree with you about the issues created by the lack of spacing Mitch provides on offense. I don't agree that he's a problem for this team though and, should we find this miracle offensive center you want, we can always move Mitch to the bench.

Or we could assume that this is what the HC wants from his players and blame him? We have seen countless videos of Mitch shooting threes and driving from the perimeter to score. We never see any of it in games though. When iHart is out there, we don't see him spreading the floor much either.

It's going to be a problem, it was a problem against the Heat because he is a big reason they can run zone with impunity. He wasn't able to dominate the glass against them and got thoroughly outplayed by Bam. Also, like just think about this, the Celtics with all their wing talent and guards still decided they needed a C that could score for himself and stretch the floor, they had their own Mitch and needed more even though they have Tatum/Brown.

He's shooting 40% from the line, there isn't a coach in the world that would let someone like that shoot threes. The Celtics also gave you a hint of what they would do to him in a close game with that petty hack-a possession where they sent him to the line. Imagine a playoff game vs them in Boston, 3 mins to go and we're down 3, what do you think they're going to do with him on the floor?

[Spree2Houston]

Remember when Quickley had an elite floater? Now he’s jacking up 1 on 3 fast break fadeaways

[rajajackal]

might be open to trading fournier and grimes for a rental of derozan. see how far we can go with a seasoned scorer added on to what we've got and then hopefully feel good about letting him walk and promoting quickley with some cap space to spare in the summer

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Porzingis is a Unicorn.... overall Mitch is one of the best defensive centers in the league and likely a DPOY candidate. The fact that you frame your argument based on his defense against a single pink elephant center is comical to me.Did Mitch get burned by Wemby? Nah quite the opposite...but of course you didn't mention that particular matchup.

You just make my argument for me, it's hilarious to be honest. Ben Simmons finished second in DPOY voting, and Rudy Gobert has won 3 of those awards, they are both garbage men. Jesus, youre using his defense against a 19 year old rookie as proof of what? The guys he's going to be judged on are Embiid, Bam and Kristaps because one of those 3 guys will be facing off against him in the playoffs more than likely if we make it.

How is this different from all the people that swore Ben Simmons wasn't a problem for the Sixers? Both occupy the dunkers spot, both play with players that love to play in the paint. Both cannot make freethrows and Simmons was more skilled. Your defense cannot make up for your offense in the playoffs when you're a guy that cannot create or space when your opponent can. You're arguing something that has repeatedly failed in the modern NBA.

He's key to our offense as well. Where do you think we'd be without his offensive rebounding? He had something like 3rd highest offensive rating last season even though we were inefficient shooting...why do you think that was the case? So you are proving my argument...our defense makes our offense. This also held true in the playoffs where Mitch single-handedly dominated their heralded front court and we gentlemen swept the Cavs. So while I would like for Mitch to be able to shoot with range..I think he's pretty darn valuable to this team as is.

Our offense sucked in the playoffs we saw one of the largest declines from regular season to playoffs because it's a junk offense built around things that weren't sustainable. You eventually play a team that stops the offensive rebounding.

Heralded front court? LMAO, I thought we'd beat them with part of the reason being because their front court isn't good, they are garbage men the same as him. Bam dominated him, period. You can continue to skirt over that, but Bam outscored him by 3x and out rebounded him, there was no part of the game where he was even close to Bam. He is not winning that matchup if we see the Heat again, you add a superstar to the team and we'd need a center that can space, pass or score almost immediately, because that's what all the best teams have with their stars.

[dakomish23]

Remember when Quickley had an elite floater? Now he’s jacking up 1 on 3 fast break fadeaways

The Knicks are shooting 54.6 at rim, which is 5% lower than next worse team in the NBA.

Last year, the worst team OKC shot 62.6% at the rim.

To find a team that shot lower than us for a full season, you have to go back to the 2007-08 Bulls, who shot 53.7%

Some of our players shooting at the rim

Hartenstein 70%
RJ 63%
IQ 54%
Brunson 50%
DDV 43%
Randle 35%

DDV takes a higher% of his shots at the rim than Randle

[RHODEY]

How impactful was his defense against Kristaps? First game against them he was in foul trouble, second game against them he was on the perimeter and his rim protection was null and void as a result. Kristaps is 8-16 on shots being guarded by him and his team has scored 79 pts as a result of that matchup, their highest total on the season. The next closest matchup has resulted in 45 team pts, he and his team feasts against Mitch but but defense!!

It's absurd to me that some of you can't see this simple thing, negate his defense with shooting and then make him a negative on offense because of his lack of skill. This is how rim runners have been sent to die for the last 10 years.

Porzingis is a Unicorn.... overall Mitch is one of the best defensive centers in the league and likely a DPOY candidate. The fact that you frame your argument based on his defense against a single pink elephant center is comical to me.Did Mitch get burned by Wemby? Nah quite the opposite...but of course you didn't mention that particular matchup.

You just make my argument for me, it's hilarious to be honest. Ben Simmons finished second in DPOY voting, and Rudy Gobert has won 3 of those awards, they are both garbage men. Jesus, youre using his defense against a 19 year old rookie as proof of what? The guys he's going to be judged on are Embiid, Bam and Kristaps because one of those 3 guys will be facing off against him in the playoffs more than likely if we make it.

How is this different from all the people that swore Ben Simmons wasn't a problem for the Sixers? Both occupy the dunkers spot, both play with players that love to play in the paint. Both cannot make freethrows and Simmons was more skilled. Your defense cannot make up for your offense in the playoffs when you're a guy that cannot create or space when your opponent can. You're arguing something that has repeatedly failed in the modern NBA.

You're funny, still harping on Simmons , a player that couldn't be more different than Mitch and calling the anchor for the best defense in the league a garbageman.
.for a second I was taking you seriously

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Porzingis is a Unicorn.... overall Mitch is one of the best defensive centers in the league and likely a DPOY candidate. The fact that you frame your argument based on his defense against a single pink elephant center is comical to me.Did Mitch get burned by Wemby? Nah quite the opposite...but of course you didn't mention that particular matchup.

You just make my argument for me, it's hilarious to be honest. Ben Simmons finished second in DPOY voting, and Rudy Gobert has won 3 of those awards, they are both garbage men. Jesus, youre using his defense against a 19 year old rookie as proof of what? The guys he's going to be judged on are Embiid, Bam and Kristaps because one of those 3 guys will be facing off against him in the playoffs more than likely if we make it.

How is this different from all the people that swore Ben Simmons wasn't a problem for the Sixers? Both occupy the dunkers spot, both play with players that love to play in the paint. Both cannot make freethrows and Simmons was more skilled. Your defense cannot make up for your offense in the playoffs when you're a guy that cannot create or space when your opponent can. You're arguing something that has repeatedly failed in the modern NBA.

You're funny, still harping on Simmons , a player that couldn't be more different than Mitch and calling the anchor for the best defense in the league a garbageman.
.for a second I was taking you seriously

Simmons is a parallel, he is someone who was a better offensive player that was one of the best defenders in the NBA playing with another one of the best defenders in the NBA and it didn't matter because he was a negative on offense in the playoffs. If we had Simmons in 2020 you'd be telling me he's great and DPOY candidate and it doesn't matter that his guy gets to guard air because he does all these other things, you can't see the Forrest for the trees.

I don't think you understand what a garbage man is either, because Rudy is clearly one. No different than saying rim runner, although other positions can be garbage men, like PJ Tucker has been called one his whole career, hustle guys who are low on skill are garbage men.

[HarthorneWingo]

Id rather keep Brunson, Grimes, RJ then add Lavine or Derozan at what they would cost. They really don't fit.

The only way I see that Lavine could make sense is if we are moving Randle... Not sure if that would put us in a better spot

It seems to me that we would be in a worse spot, tbh. Derozan is playing SF for the Bulls, I believe, but whatever. We have RJ now playing All Star level basketball and, besides the occasional migraine or other weird injury, he plays every game just like Randle (sans the migraines). Are we now moving Grimes to the bench to take IQ's role (I assume that we'd be moving IQ in the deal). Personally I don't like the looks of this from a chemistry standpoint. I don't feel it.

And the big question is, who would replace Randle at PF?

[KnixtapeH20]

Well Scott Perry says we shouldn’t trade Randle. So glad he’s gone. Says we should add to Randle and see what happens. No, Randle messes up the flow of the game too consistently for me.

Wish we could erase Scott Perry from our memory bank.... jackass

add to Randle LOLLLLLLL wow

[RHODEY]

You just make my argument for me, it's hilarious to be honest. Ben Simmons finished second in DPOY voting, and Rudy Gobert has won 3 of those awards, they are both garbage men. Jesus, youre using his defense against a 19 year old rookie as proof of what? The guys he's going to be judged on are Embiid, Bam and Kristaps because one of those 3 guys will be facing off against him in the playoffs more than likely if we make it.

How is this different from all the people that swore Ben Simmons wasn't a problem for the Sixers? Both occupy the dunkers spot, both play with players that love to play in the paint. Both cannot make freethrows and Simmons was more skilled. Your defense cannot make up for your offense in the playoffs when you're a guy that cannot create or space when your opponent can. You're arguing something that has repeatedly failed in the modern NBA.

You're funny, still harping on Simmons , a player that couldn't be more different than Mitch and calling the anchor for the best defense in the league a garbageman.
.for a second I was taking you seriously

Simmons is a parallel, he is someone who was a better offensive player that was one of the best defenders in the NBA playing with another one of the best defenders in the NBA and it didn't matter because he was a negative on offense in the playoffs. If we had Simmons in 2020 you'd be telling me he's great and DPOY candidate and it doesn't matter that his guy gets to guard air because he does all these other things, you can't see the Forrest for the trees.

I don't think you understand what a garbage man is either, because Rudy is clearly one. No different than saying rim runner, although other positions can be garbage men, like PJ Tucker has been called one his whole career, hustle guys who are low on skill are garbage men.

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Hope those kids got mom's hair genetics.

Being partially bald in the 5th grade will lead to lots of being bullied.

[TheGreenArrow]

Well Scott Perry says we shouldn’t trade Randle. So glad he’s gone. Says we should add to Randle and see what happens. No, Randle messes up the flow of the game too consistently for me.

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Yeah man soooo glad he’s gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hopefully no one else in the Knicks organization thinks This way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!