PG: Knicks unclutch fall to Magic, Randle and Divo miss crucial freethrows

[K_ick_God]

It’s funny that anybody here could see the Randle stuff as a pee pee contest — today is dejecting and I’d never be happy a second when he fails as a Knick

Not one iota

[cgf]

Randle had an ankle injury, he’ll be fine. We definitely need a shot creator at backup SG or PG

It was his ankle? Looked more like he was pulling his groin out there the last three games. Dude is fake hustle.

He landed on an Orlando players foot after scoring his first bucket. Limped heavily after that & seemed to jog it off, though he looked like his movement was hampered for the rest of the game and Clyde kept saying he'd have to come out.

That said, Julius was something like 1/8 at that point, so like I said, he was on his way to a bad game even if he hadn't got hurt. That was just the cherry on the turd-sundae.

[Ursusamericanus]

It’s easy to blame Randle, but the Knicks really just match up badly with Orlando unless there is a roster change.

He's getting blame because he deserves it... he proved to everyone that he can't be a second option on a contending team. With JB out, this was his opportunity to put the team on his back and show that he can carry us when our best guy goes down. And he shat the bed completely... sloppy offensively, lazy defensively, a dud in the clutch, and his body language/attitude is just trash when things don't go his way.

This was a game the Knicks could have and should have won, and it's now a costly loss for the playoff picture. Matchups aren't an excuse here, we are just too reliant on JB because Randle isn't good enough to step up and lead the team when we need him to. He's a third option masquerading as a second option.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Randle had an ankle injury, he’ll be fine. We definitely need a shot creator at backup SG or PG

It was his ankle? Looked more like he was pulling his groin out there the last three games. Dude is fake hustle.

He landed on an Orlando players foot after scoring his first bucket. Limped heavily after that & seemed to jog it off, though he looked like his movement was hampered for the rest of the game and Clyde kept saying he'd have to come out.

That said, Julius was something like 1/8 at that point, so like I said, he was on his way to a bad game even if he hadn't got hurt. That was just the cherry on the turd-sundae.

In other words, he was pulling his groin out there the last three games. Thanks for telling me what I already know. His ankle wasn't hurt.

[Capn'O]

I came here for angry sports yelling and wasn’t disappointed.

They should have dressed Jalen just to play the final 3 minutes. We would have won by 12.

The dude's our closer, we should've literally used him like a closer.

I love this idea. Announcers would be like "WHAT??? They brought Rivera out? Can they even do this???"

[3toheadmelo]

Lol funny I don’t like him that much either but want us to trade for him right now

Facts we need another creator bad he’s prob the only one available lol

Fournier, Grimes, and a pick or picks can get us another creator. Whether it's someone we really want, I'm not sure.

Malcom Brogdon (POR)
Terry Rozier (CHO)
Marcus Smart (MEM)
D'Angelo Russell (LAL)
Jordan Clarkson (UTA)
Collin Sexton (UTA)

brogdon is prob the only realistic one on this list i can see us going after. think sexton/clarkson aren't on the table since utah is winning. doubt memphis will move on from marcus smart so soon, and i don't think anyone in the league wants d-lo lol. think i read that charlotte doesnt want to move rozier either.

i think i want dejounte murray since we really can't get anyone besides brogdon who's pretty washed up

[Deeeez Knicks]

Everyone has bad games. When Randle has bad games he plays like he doesn’t care. He mentally checks out and there is 0 effort….and a lot sulking. It looks real bad and it’s hard to watch.

[cgf]

It’s easy to blame Randle, but the Knicks really just match up badly with Orlando unless there is a roster change.

He's getting blame because he deserves it... he proved to everyone that he can't be a second option on a contending team. With JB out, this was his opportunity to put the team on his back and show that he can carry us when our best guy goes down. And he shat the bed completely... sloppy offensively, lazy defensively, a dud in the clutch, and his body language/attitude is just trash when things don't go his way.

This was a game the Knicks could have and should have won. Matchups aren't an excuse here, we are just too reliant on JB because Randle isn't good enough to step up and lead the team when we need him to. He's a third option masquerading as a second option.

This I don't understand. How did Julius reinforcing what we already knew, prove anything about the playoffs? If Dame goes down then the bucks won't win another close game against a good team for the rest of the season, does that mean that Giannis can't be the second option on a contending team? When Embiid goes down, is Maxey carrying Philly to many wins against playoff teams? I watched Maxey lose to the Hawks & Bulls without Embiid

We know Randle needs Brunson to run the offense at the ends of games unless Julius is on fire, but that doesn't tell us if Julius will be able to start delivering in the playoffs like he does the regular season with Brunson and two ankles that don't need surgery.

[seren]

Only if we kept Obi or gotten some PF who can step up when Randle is injured. They have a few weeks left to address this stuff.

[sol537]

Is it me or whenever there’s one of those long articles about how Randle has turned a corner or figured something out he just craps the bed right after and totally undoes everything positive in the article…

[cgf]

Everyone has bad games. When Randle has bad games he plays like he doesn’t care. He mentally checks out and there is 0 effort….and a lot sulking. It looks real bad and it’s hard to watch.

That's totally fair. Bad Randle is brutal, but bad Randle had us in position to win against a playoff team until crunch time hit...and even when Randle isn't playing like s*** we know he needs someone to run the show in crunch time.

Yes Orlando was missing one of their top 2 also, but there's something encouraging about us even being in position to win that game with Brunson out and Randle having as hideous a game as he did.

[Ursusamericanus]

Everyone has bad games. When Randle has bad games he plays like he doesn’t care. He mentally checks out and there is 0 effort….and a lot sulking. It looks real bad and it’s hard to watch.

That's the thing. Even Mike had bad games, but he'd maintain the same energy and effort overall, focusing instead on passing, setting screens, defense, and such. Kobe would force the issue and pound away relentlessly until his luck turned and he started hitting shots (good and bad). LeBron gets pissy but will focus on creation, rebounding, and finding shooters when he isn't scoring well.

Randle just stops trying on both ends. He lacks a winner's mentality and is still a very immature guy for all his talk of meditation and staying even-keeled.

[stuporman]

Oh ...and the OP wrong... Deuce didn't miss any crucial FTs...wtf you talking about.

[Ursusamericanus]

It’s easy to blame Randle, but the Knicks really just match up badly with Orlando unless there is a roster change.

He's getting blame because he deserves it... he proved to everyone that he can't be a second option on a contending team. With JB out, this was his opportunity to put the team on his back and show that he can carry us when our best guy goes down. And he shat the bed completely... sloppy offensively, lazy defensively, a dud in the clutch, and his body language/attitude is just trash when things don't go his way.

This was a game the Knicks could have and should have won. Matchups aren't an excuse here, we are just too reliant on JB because Randle isn't good enough to step up and lead the team when we need him to. He's a third option masquerading as a second option.

This I don't understand. How did Julius reinforcing what we already knew, prove anything about the playoffs? If Dame goes down then the bucks won't win another close game against a good team for the rest of the season, does that mean that Giannis can't be the second option on a contending team? When Embiid goes down, is Maxey carrying Philly to many wins against playoff teams? I watched Maxey lose to the Hawks & Bulls without Embiid

We know Randle needs Brunson to run the offense at the ends of games unless Julius is on fire, but that doesn't tell us if Julius will be able to start delivering in the playoffs like he does the regular season with Brunson and two ankles that don't need surgery.

Because there has been so much talk of him turning the corner but he turns into the same pouty, lazy loser as before. He hasn't even been TRYING with Brunson out. It would be one thing if he fought valiantly and gave a huge effort to even attempt to make up for JB's absence but he did not even scratch that. Not encouraging at all if he's supposed to be our 2nd guy.

[Fat Kat]

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[G_K_F]

It’s very simple - the Knicks to make a blockbuster move to get a legit 2nd option here.

Randle is not the guy and never has been the guy and never will be the guy.

They have to make another move this offseason.

[dakomish23]

Josh Hart getting a carved in stone 30min a night is profoundly moronic. He got 24 tonight and it was about 10 too many. He’s a Swiss army type player that Thibs feels he can overuse in situations that don’t even call for it.

Swiss army knife?
He can't run the second unit,
Can't create his own shot,
Can't play off the ball b/c he can't shoot---
...and finally, Knicks play 5 on 4 every game with him on the floor -- all his 3 pointers are ridiculously open...

not only did knicks pay him instead of IQ, but as you said, Thibs is playing him as if he's a rotation player.

Hart is Thibs security blanket. I’m actually surprised he took him out again today for DDV. Some games even if we’re struggling he’ll just leave him out there despite the desperate need for shooting

[2010]

Y’all still too boogie for Murray?

[dakomish23]

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They have an account called brick muse

And they got JR as their banner photo

Unfortunately Randle made it twice today

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[Deeeez Knicks]

Everyone has bad games. When Randle has bad games he plays like he doesn’t care. He mentally checks out and there is 0 effort….and a lot sulking. It looks real bad and it’s hard to watch.

That's totally fair. Bad Randle is brutal, but bad Randle had us in position to win against a playoff team until crunch time hit...and even when Randle isn't playing like s*** we know he needs someone to run the show in crunch time.

Yes Orlando was missing one of their top 2 also, but there's something encouraging about us even being in position to win that game with Brunson out and Randle having as hideous a game as he did.

To start the game, Randle deferred didn’t take any shots, barely had touches and Knicks built a good lead. It was good when he didn’t force too much. He also had a good 3rd quarter. Other than that he was brutal. More credit probably goes to the others for keeping the Knicks in it with defense and a few timely shots. It was mostly an ugly game all around.