PG: Brunson is MVP candidate

[Stannis]

Players shouldn't have to put on MVP performances to beat a team like the Wizards. Knicks should be able to beat them like it's their day job.

Need to make a move ASAP

[stuporman]

Landry Fields cost the Knicks Mozgod hasn't he done enough to harm Knicks fans????? Too much!!!

[3toheadmelo]

oh ok...well Kennard is not nearly a turnstile like Novak was. By no means is he a lock down defender but he can hold his own. And sure I'm not expecting him to ISO...but you know thibs could actually run plays for a shooter with the bench unit. You know maybe a pin down screen or something. Doesn't need to be isolation scoring...we just need scoring.

thibs doesnt even run plays for grimes or OG. it wont change for kennard. we would just be selling extremely low on grimes for a bench player who isnt going to change a single thing for us. i'll pass lol

Grimes is putting up 0 pt games...I'm not sure what his value around the league is anymore.

that was his first 0 point game in a very long time. before last night, he was averaging 10 PPG in his last 10 games. there will always be a market for a player like grimes. most teams want a 3 and D guard. i think if the knicks wanted to sell very low on him for a player like kennard, it would've happened already.

[cgmw]

im gonna throw up if we trade grimes for kennard

Oreo Bulimia.

Kennard > Grimes when the offense is 4 dudes stand in a circle and watch a 5th dude go 1-on-1

[Stannis]

Grimes is putting up 0 pt games...I'm not sure what his value around the league is anymore.

We just need Jerry West to pump him one more time.

[Jeff Van Gully]

that man was unplayable in the post season. you're better off keeping grimes and bringing his value up. kennard sucks

unplayable? these were his last two playoffs (he was positive in a 15 game sample size with clippers in there 2021 run. And he was really good last year in memphis)



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he had a ridiculous net rating in last post season for the grizz. He also has taken 82 3's in his post season career an canned 38 of them. So his shooting translates into post season play over 46% for his career.

i was talking about novak being unplayable.

kennard averages 7 points per game in the post season. i don't see how this move makes us better. knicks need another ball handler (especially for the bench). im not trying to watch kennard try to iso. no thanks.

my problem is kennard is a slow-footed penguin. better off playing fournier.

[Stannis]

This board is desperate to make a trade.

I'm desperate to make sure Brunson doesn't get Jonathan Bender knees.

[3toheadmelo]

im gonna throw up if we trade grimes for kennard

Oreo Bulimia.

Kennard > Grimes when the offense is 4 dudes stand in a circle and watch a 5th dude go 1-on-1

oreo bulimia

[3toheadmelo]

unplayable? these were his last two playoffs (he was positive in a 15 game sample size with clippers in there 2021 run. And he was really good last year in memphis)



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he had a ridiculous net rating in last post season for the grizz. He also has taken 82 3's in his post season career an canned 38 of them. So his shooting translates into post season play over 46% for his career.

i was talking about novak being unplayable.

kennard averages 7 points per game in the post season. i don't see how this move makes us better. knicks need another ball handler (especially for the bench). im not trying to watch kennard try to iso. no thanks.

my problem is kennard is a slow-footed penguin. better off playing fournier.

yeah. i don't really see how kennard addresses our biggest needs at this point. im not gonna use our best young asset for kennard.

[stuporman]

the problem with desperately needing to make a trade for another player is that teams around the league know you desperately need to make a trade so you won't be getting a discount. that's probably why it hasn't happened yet and may not at all except for someone like alec burks.

The Knicks aren't desperate to make a trade, though. Sure, they lost depth and the bench unit is looking inconsistent but they are 8-2 in the last 10 after the trade with some quality wins in there, not just all bunnies, even with their offensive engine out for two of that stretch.

I think it's really an issue of more buyers than sellers because many teams are looking for an upgrade for a playoff push and/or bolster their playoff roster. So the demand is greater than the supply and the sellers unsurprisingly want to squeeze the market for as much as they can.

Rose has rarely acted out of desperation but there have been a few times he's made some moves that feel like his hand was forced so he didn't get good value. Like the Obi situation and clearing space for Brunson both look like he gave up too much value, let's hope he doesn't feel like that right now.

This board is desperate to make a trade.

Their desperation extends to every area of their lives no doubt and it manifests here...

[stuporman]

Maybe West can call all the other teams and tell them he thinks Grimes is a star...you think he would do that? Hm

[Stannis]

Landry Fields cost the Knicks Mozgod hasn't he done enough to harm Knicks fans????? Too much!!!

Refresh my memory. Did Denver request Mozgod over Fields in the Melo deal?

[mpharris36]

my problem is kennard is a slow-footed penguin. better off playing fournier.

[stuporman]

Landry Fields cost the Knicks Mozgod hasn't he done enough to harm Knicks fans????? Too much!!!

Refresh my memory. Did Denver request Mozgod over Fields in the Melo deal?

I think the Knicks wanted to keep Fields out of the deal and Denver insisted on Mozgod then or no deal if I recall correctly but it might have just been rumor isht and not real.

[DOT]

I don't think Grimes has much value around the league

Like, he hits 3s at a decent percentage, but has never shot a ton of them, and he's never really shown any off the dribble game. Plus while his defense is good, it's limited in who he can guard, he doesn't have the versatility of an OG. Then you also gotta factor in he's in year 3 and having his worst season yet

His ceiling at this point is Courtney Lee. Yeah I guess he's technically our best young asset, depending on how you feel about Deuce, but he's not a centerpiece type of guy, if he gets traded for a star he's not the main thing they're trading for.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Burks doesn’t make sense from a contract standpoint since he’s expiring. Knicks shouldn’t waste Grimes or Fournier on a rental that won’t move the needle.

maybe the trade will be for alec & bojan. detroit might want it's first back for bojan though.

do we have enough scrubs to throw in to make the salaries work ?

Grimes, Fournier and Flynn works. But maybe they would even want a pick back too. Seems like it would get expensive and I hate wasting Grimes like that. There has to be better deals than that

[stuporman]

For all the hand wringing about Grimes trade value he's still hitting 40% from 3 since the trade, the 'zero' takes are nonsensical, teams know he can shoot it and plays defense, that still has value in the league so is why there are teams that want him. They aren't fickle fans that are prisoners of the moment.

[god shammgod]

Burks doesn’t make sense from a contract standpoint since he’s expiring. Knicks shouldn’t waste Grimes or Fournier on a rental that won’t move the needle.

maybe the trade will be for alec & bojan. detroit might want it's first back for bojan though.

do we have enough scrubs to throw in to make the salaries work ?

Grimes, Fournier and Flynn works. But maybe they would even want a pick back too. Seems like it would get expensive and I hate wasting Grimes like that. There has to be better deals than that

yeah i would think they would want their pick back. because it stops them from trading other picks because it might not convey.

[DOT]

For all the hand wringing about Grimes trade value he's still hitting 40% from 3 since the trade, the 'zero' takes are nonsensical, teams know he can shoot it and plays defense, that still has value in the league so is why there are teams that want him. They aren't fickle fans that are prisoners of the moment.

Yeah but how much value?

Would you trade an unprotected first for him if you were a fringe team like, say, Orlando or Chicago?

[dakomish23]

Burks doesn’t make sense from a contract standpoint since he’s expiring. Knicks shouldn’t waste Grimes or Fournier on a rental that won’t move the needle.

And he def doesn’t make sense if Thibs is gonna use him how he used him last time. Strictly as a floor spacer who can attack close outs, I think he’s great value.

But I don’t trust Thibs