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Re: PG: 2nd Seed Baby! 

Post#241 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Mon Apr 15, 2024 4:25 am

mpharris36 wrote:Honestly pacers arents as good but there pace and space offense with bringing there center outside the paint is probably the worst schematic matchup for us. We do better with more traditional centers.



I think you can do more interesting matchups vs the Pacers to impact them though, ie you put Ihart, Mitch or Precious on Siakam in the halfcourt, and OG on Turner, you basically just blow up their PnR because OG switches onto Haliburton. Also, they are completely soft on the glass.


The Sixers have a much higher ceiling on what they can do if Embiid is semi healthy.
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Post#242 » by Gravy » Mon Apr 15, 2024 4:31 am

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Post#243 » by Context » Mon Apr 15, 2024 5:05 am

KnicksGadfly wrote:Well, we all knew that this is what Thibs does, and this is a Thibs team, so we can only just roll with it and hopefully enjoy it.

https://theathletic.com/5415205/2024/04/14/knicks-bulls-nba-playoffs/

...As the rest of the league swerved away from two giants, New York didn’t care to avoid anyone.

“The object is to win,” head coach Tom Thibodeau said. “Put everything you have into winning. That’s the bottom line.”

Teams surrounding the Knicks did not agree.

The Milwaukee Bucks, who sat in second place until Sunday, were already without injured two-time MVP Giannis Antetokounmpo and rested their other All-Star, Damian Lillard, on Friday. The Cleveland Cavaliers, which could have jumped to second place with Bucks and Knicks losses on Sunday, rested various key guys during their finale when they lost at home to the 21-win Charlotte Hornets.

The possibility of climbing to No. 2 only to meet the 76ers or Heat was not worth the trouble, so the Cavs willingly dropped to fourth.

Meanwhile, rather than showing replays and statistics, the big screen at Madison Square Garden may as well have broadcasted Herm Edwards yelping, you play to win the game on repeat.

“We’re trying to create good habits that will turn out on the court,” said Jalen Brunson, who went for 40 points, eight rebounds and seven assists during the win over the Bulls. “So obviously going forward, we’re gonna have a tough opponent, but we’re just focusing on, how can we be the best team that we can be?”

The answer to that question did not include tossing the Chicago game into the trash.

Had the Knicks done so, they would have guaranteed a third- or fourth-place finish and a first-round matchup with the Orlando Magic or Indiana Pacers, who don’t boast the résumés to match the two teams atop the Play-In. But making decisions based on fear? That’s not how the Knicks roll.

Come the final buzzer, they celebrated being the No. 2-seeded team. Brunson called the group “Resilient.” Donte DiVincenzo, who rested for a total of 29 seconds in the overtime game against the Bulls, reminded the world that Thibodeau teams don’t go through the motions.

“You know who we play for. Everything counts,” he said. “It doesn’t matter the type of game it is. We want to win every single game.”

Thibodeau does not understand how to coach any other way. And the players don’t exude the same energy just because of the man leading them. These aren’t just habits. It’s who the Knicks are, and they can’t (and shouldn’t) turn off an identity, especially when it’s the reason they’re in the mix at all.

New York’s ascension was no guarantee. Julius Randle hasn’t played since Jan. 27 — when he dislocated his shoulder — and won’t return after undergoing surgery on it last week. OG Anunoby has played only 23 games since coming over in a trade three and a half months ago. Mitchell Robinson has missed most of the season because of ankle surgery. Isaiah Hartenstein has fought through Achilles tendinopathy for months.

The Knicks throttled to second because of their depth and overt competitiveness, because they don’t care if they’re the ones getting punched in the mouth or if they’re the ones doing the punching, as long as someone is getting smacked.

“That’s what I love about this team,” Thibodeau said. “And it started right from the beginning. Mitch got hurt, then Julius, then OG. … (Winning) is not (about) the best individuals. It’s the best team. There was no quit in this team. Some nights, we fell short. We learned from it and got better. The spirit of this team is very strong.”

Artificially manipulating seeding does not always work, either.

Had the Cavaliers beaten the Hornets on Sunday, they would have ended up in the No. 3 slot, which would have handed them Indiana in the first round and helped them avoid the feared, league-best Boston Celtics until the conference finals. But they just chose to sit their guys because of an improbable scenario that would have sprung them to second.

The Bucks’ recent falloff is not just about resting Lillard on Friday versus Oklahoma City; they have dropped 8 of their final 11 to close the season. But because they’re down to third place, they now have to face Indiana, the team that downed them in the In-Season Tournament and has had their number.

History tends to repeat itself.

Just a couple of years ago, when the league was anxious about the supposedly most dangerous No. 7 ever, Kevin Durant’s and Kyrie Irving’s Brooklyn Nets, the Bucks rested their best players on the final day of the regular season, intentionally dropping from second place to third. Boston hopped them. Surely, it would do it again.

The Celtics swept the Nets. Two weeks later, they beat the Bucks in Round 2 — in part because the decisive Game 7 of their second-round series was in Boston, a home game. After all, Milwaukee had handed them the higher playoff seed.

If the goal is to win a title, good teams need to be defeated at some point. Teams might as well guarantee the two advantages they know will be consistent the whole way: Clinch home-court advantage through as many rounds as possible and continue to approach every game like it’s the most important one, even if it means a date with a Play-In team that horrified the rest of the competition.

This is very powerful...before December - I hadn't watched any Knick games for years...
I think that gives me an objective view...
I know many complain about Thibs but I think Thibs and the players he has believe in his philosophy. I don't think This has ever had a Knick group like this...With that said...

I wanna say about 4/5 games in - I noticed that this team had a fearless energy about them...As the games went on -I could see
that their focus was never on the "team" but the focus was on -"lets get this win". This is why- every time it was mentioned
"hope we get this match -up or that one"...I knew this team could careless. Just look at the leader- a 5'11 point guard who's
watched his team lose player after player- yet, his fearless frame remains- as he leads his team to win after win -while putting up MVP numbers and touching the Knick record books...

This article reinforces what I already new about this teams mental frame. Very excited about the Knicks again...
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Re: PG: 2nd Seed Baby! 

Post#244 » by mpharris36 » Mon Apr 15, 2024 5:06 am

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mpharris36 wrote:Honestly pacers arents as good but there pace and space offense with bringing there center outside the paint is probably the worst schematic matchup for us. We do better with more traditional centers.



I think you can do more interesting matchups vs the Pacers to impact them though, ie you put Ihart, Mitch or Precious on Siakam in the halfcourt, and OG on Turner, you basically just blow up their PnR because OG switches onto Haliburton. Also, they are completely soft on the glass.


The Sixers have a much higher ceiling on what they can do if Embiid is semi healthy.


I would think Siakam is way to mobile for ihart and especially Mitch at this point. I don't disagree having to deal with Embiid certainly is more to deal with if he is healthy...I guess I don't trust him to be super healthy for an entire series. Especially after he has to deal with Bam then Ihart and Mitch who all bang.

Sixers also don't really have anyone that can guard Brunson...and they basically will play drop coverage with Embiid because my guess is he will not be going out hedging or stunting on screens above the 3 pt arc all series long. Brunson kinda destroys drop coverage so be good for us.

Sixers probably will have to put Kelly Oubre on Brunson since Lowry old self won't be able to stick with him and Maxey can't defense.

I feel like we can play more slog style game with Sixers or Miami which benefit us. Pacers would want to run us up and down and obviously have more offensive fire power. We shall see.
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Post#245 » by aq_ua » Mon Apr 15, 2024 5:09 am

KnicksGadfly wrote:Well, we all knew that this is what Thibs does, and this is a Thibs team, so we can only just roll with it and hopefully enjoy it.

https://theathletic.com/5415205/2024/04/14/knicks-bulls-nba-playoffs/

Doc didn't want to face his old team in the first round. Think that doesn't have karmic implications? I wouldn't want to limp into the playoffs with a 3-7 record in the last 10 and two losses in a row including the last one a blowout. Especially with the parity across the conference this season. I don't know if 1-8 is going to be closer in the East or West, playoffs could really go in many different directions.
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Re: PG: 2nd Seed Baby! 

Post#246 » by knicksNOTslick » Mon Apr 15, 2024 5:11 am

mpharris36 wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:Honestly pacers arents as good but there pace and space offense with bringing there center outside the paint is probably the worst schematic matchup for us. We do better with more traditional centers.



I think you can do more interesting matchups vs the Pacers to impact them though, ie you put Ihart, Mitch or Precious on Siakam in the halfcourt, and OG on Turner, you basically just blow up their PnR because OG switches onto Haliburton. Also, they are completely soft on the glass.


The Sixers have a much higher ceiling on what they can do if Embiid is semi healthy.


I would think Siakam is way to mobile for ihart and especially Mitch at this point. I don't disagree having to deal with Embiid certainly is more to deal with if he is healthy...I guess I don't trust him to be super healthy for an entire series. Especially after he has to deal with Bam then Ihart and Mitch who all bang.

Sixers also don't really have anyone that can guard Brunson...and they basically will play drop coverage with Embiid because my guess is he will not be going out hedging or stunting on screens above the 3 pt arc all series long. Brunson kinda destroys drop coverage so be good for us.

Sixers probably will have to put Kelly Oubre on Brunson since Lowry old self won't be able to stick with him and Maxey can't defense.

I feel like we can play more slog style game with Sixers or Miami which benefit us. Pacers would want to run us up and down and obviously have more offensive fire power. We shall see.

I forgot about Lowry on the Sixers. Honestly, he's one of those players that might be washed up but he might be able to steal a game or two. I doubt the Heat advance against us last year without Lowry stepping up on defense on a few key plays in that first game.
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Post#247 » by matchman » Mon Apr 15, 2024 5:20 am

Deeeez Knicks wrote:25 years ago we beat Miami in the first round on our way to the finals. Let's do it again

Yeah that game 5 just before dawn in Hong Kong timezone. :nod:
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Re: PG: 2nd Seed Baby! 

Post#248 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Mon Apr 15, 2024 5:21 am

mpharris36 wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:Honestly pacers arents as good but there pace and space offense with bringing there center outside the paint is probably the worst schematic matchup for us. We do better with more traditional centers.



I think you can do more interesting matchups vs the Pacers to impact them though, ie you put Ihart, Mitch or Precious on Siakam in the halfcourt, and OG on Turner, you basically just blow up their PnR because OG switches onto Haliburton. Also, they are completely soft on the glass.


The Sixers have a much higher ceiling on what they can do if Embiid is semi healthy.


I would think Siakam is way to mobile for ihart and especially Mitch at this point. I don't disagree having to deal with Embiid certainly is more to deal with if he is healthy...I guess I don't trust him to be super healthy for an entire series. Especially after he has to deal with Bam then Ihart and Mitch who all bang.

Sixers also don't really have anyone that can guard Brunson...and they basically will play drop coverage with Embiid because my guess is he will not be going out hedging or stunting on screens above the 3 pt arc all series long. Brunson kinda destroys drop coverage so be good for us.

Sixers probably will have to put Kelly Oubre on Brunson since Lowry old self won't be able to stick with him and Maxey can't defense.

I feel like we can play more slog style game with Sixers or Miami which benefit us. Pacers would want to run us up and down and obviously have more offensive fire power. We shall see.



Siakam is a career 26% shooter int he playoffs, you can do a cross match with him with your big on him in the halfcourt. Banging against centers isn't what wears Embiid down in games, it's when he has to chase a stretch big off the line then gets into rotation, that is one of the major reasons why Horford / Gasol have given him the most trouble in the playoffs, they defend him with limited help and then sap his energy on the other end with the threat of their shooting. I don't like the idea of Embiid defending our bigs, because he doesn't have to move much, which means his offense may not taper off. They have Melton and Lowry to use on Brunson, neither will stop him but they have the bodies to pressure him full court.

We have 1 scorer, they have 2, I would prefer the Heat because we have a guy that can severely negate Jimmy's offense or the Pacers because they are pathetic on the boards. I just see a lot more scoring options for the Sixers, and they can play ugly basketball as well, and also there's the Nurse thing, where I wouldn't doubt him doing a box and 1 against Brunson, because he's done it in the past against other players.
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Post#249 » by matchman » Mon Apr 15, 2024 5:25 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:Tip of the hat to our role players today. Deuce, Bojan, and Precious did a great job. So did IHart (team high +13).

Those blocks by iHart on Bulls dung are delicious.
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Post#250 » by matchman » Mon Apr 15, 2024 5:37 am

Capn'O wrote:What a glorious season. Glad we have more coming up.

Now, we sharpen our metal bats. Yes, I said sharpen.

Have you heard of something like a sharpened toothbrush? :o

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Post#251 » by matchman » Mon Apr 15, 2024 5:40 am

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Post#252 » by K_ick_God » Mon Apr 15, 2024 6:06 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:When is our first playoff game?


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Post#255 » by HopelessKnick » Mon Apr 15, 2024 7:41 am

I said it previously and I'll say it again: A fully healthy knick squad would have had a great chance at an NBA title. IMO they would be every bit as good as Boston or Denver etc. However I'd warn people to keep their expectations for the playoffs a little bit in check. Without Julius we do lack some substantial offense and we can't replace it unfortunately. If we beat Philly or Miami that would be absolutely huge.
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Post#256 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Apr 15, 2024 8:13 am

HopelessKnick wrote:I said it previously and I'll say it again: A fully healthy knick squad would have had a great chance at an NBA title. IMO they would be every bit as good as Boston or Denver etc. However I'd warn people to keep their expectations for the playoffs a little bit in check. Without Julius we do lack some substantial offense and we can't replace it unfortunately. If we beat Philly or Miami that would be absolutely huge.

This team has found a way to make up for Randle's and OG's absences and still win 50 games. OG looks completely healthy and has his game-legs back. Mitch will get there soon. The rest of the team looks good.

I can't wait for his Saturday.
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Post#257 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Apr 15, 2024 8:17 am

So this is great. We have almost a week to rest up and get ready for Saturday.

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Post#258 » by knicks94 » Mon Apr 15, 2024 8:29 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:
HopelessKnick wrote:I said it previously and I'll say it again: A fully healthy knick squad would have had a great chance at an NBA title. IMO they would be every bit as good as Boston or Denver etc. However I'd warn people to keep their expectations for the playoffs a little bit in check. Without Julius we do lack some substantial offense and we can't replace it unfortunately. If we beat Philly or Miami that would be absolutely huge.

This team has found a way to make up for Randle's and OG's absences and still win 50 games. OG looks completely healthy and has his game-legs back. Mitch will get there soon. The rest of the team looks good.

I can't wait for his Saturday.


I appreciate your optimism, Wingo, but we were getting bullied by the Bulls for 4 quarters, the 39 win Bulls who had nothing to play for. Yeah, we won 50 games, but I wouldn't say that we have been looking good as of late.
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Post#259 » by DaGawd » Mon Apr 15, 2024 10:27 am

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HopelessKnick wrote:I said it previously and I'll say it again: A fully healthy knick squad would have had a great chance at an NBA title. IMO they would be every bit as good as Boston or Denver etc. However I'd warn people to keep their expectations for the playoffs a little bit in check. Without Julius we do lack some substantial offense and we can't replace it unfortunately. If we beat Philly or Miami that would be absolutely huge.

This team has found a way to make up for Randle's and OG's absences and still win 50 games. OG looks completely healthy and has his game-legs back. Mitch will get there soon. The rest of the team looks good.

I can't wait for his Saturday.


I appreciate your optimism, Wingo, but we were getting bullied by the Bulls for 4 quarters, the 39 win Bulls who had nothing to play for. Yeah, we won 50 games, but I wouldn't say that we have been looking good as of late.

the bulls aren’t without talent and they were been playing better down the stretch of the season. there’s no shame in having to go the distance in a game with them playing motivated.
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Post#260 » by HopelessKnick » Mon Apr 15, 2024 11:09 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:
HopelessKnick wrote:I said it previously and I'll say it again: A fully healthy knick squad would have had a great chance at an NBA title. IMO they would be every bit as good as Boston or Denver etc. However I'd warn people to keep their expectations for the playoffs a little bit in check. Without Julius we do lack some substantial offense and we can't replace it unfortunately. If we beat Philly or Miami that would be absolutely huge.

This team has found a way to make up for Randle's and OG's absences and still win 50 games. OG looks completely healthy and has his game-legs back. Mitch will get there soon. The rest of the team looks good.

I can't wait for his Saturday.


The 50 wins have been a testament to this team's grit, lead by Brunson. I also have to give Thibs credit obviously although I disagree with his lack of load management. We shall see how everything pans out....if DD, McBride can keep their increased production up and hopefully OG and Bojan can get in the 15+ points territory we could possibly go deep. Let's see how it goes, I share your excitement indeed.

More so because this team and franchise finally looks to be in a very good position, not only today but also for the next 5 years.....barring...knock knock...any big injuries.

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