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[Luv those Knicks]

It kinda makes sense, considering how open they are to moving Mitch.

I don't understand NY's desire to move Mitch, but I didn't understand their desire to explore Randle trades either and that worked out.

I think Mitch helps us this year, and overall, he helps us in the playoffs. Also, next year as an expiring, he might have more trade value.

Precious is on a one year deal and is a free agent next year, so to get value for him, NY might look to trade him this year.

Exactly what happens remains to be seen. But I think keeping both those guys is fine. They both contribute, but if a trade can be made, in Leon I trust. That Mitch misses a lot of time is a concern, but that also hurts his trade value. I think next year, as an expiring might be Mitch's peak value.

I assume they can resign Bridges for a healthy contract and it'll just cost them in terms of Aprons, but Bridges won't be restricted in salary they can offer the way I-Hart was.

Does that make sense? Reading that, it feels like my ideas are all over the place.

[RHODEY]

It kinda makes sense, considering how open they are to moving Mitch.

I don't understand NY's desire to move Mitch, but I didn't understand their desire to explore Randle trades either and that worked out.

I think Mitch helps us this year, and overall, he helps us in the playoffs. Also, next year as an expiring, he might have more trade value.

Precious is on a one year deal and is a free agent next year, so to get value for him, NY might look to trade him this year.

Exactly what happens remains to be seen. But I think keeping both those guys is fine. They both contribute, but if a trade can be made, in Leon I trust. That Mitch misses a lot of time is a concern, but that also hurts his trade value. I think next year, as an expiring might be Mitch's peak value.

I assume they can resign Bridges for a healthy contract and it'll just cost them in terms of Aprons, but Bridges won't be restricted in salary they can offer the way I-Hart was.

Does that make sense? Reading that, it feels like my ideas are all over the place.

It will only make sense after its done...or not done. I keep hearing we are trying to stack 20 million in contracts to make another move.....some say for Marcus Smart. Now that really doesnt t make sense to me....unless it;s another move before the real move...and I wouldn't put it past our FO to play chess like that.

[aq_ua]

It kinda makes sense, considering how open they are to moving Mitch.

I don't understand NY's desire to move Mitch, but I didn't understand their desire to explore Randle trades either and that worked out.

I think Mitch helps us this year, and overall, he helps us in the playoffs. Also, next year as an expiring, he might have more trade value.

Precious is on a one year deal and is a free agent next year, so to get value for him, NY might look to trade him this year.

Exactly what happens remains to be seen. But I think keeping both those guys is fine. They both contribute, but if a trade can be made, in Leon I trust. That Mitch misses a lot of time is a concern, but that also hurts his trade value. I think next year, as an expiring might be Mitch's peak value.

I assume they can resign Bridges for a healthy contract and it'll just cost them in terms of Aprons, but Bridges won't be restricted in salary they can offer the way I-Hart was.

Does that make sense? Reading that, it feels like my ideas are all over the place.

This new NBA and the hard cap the CBA imposes is the real killer on any deal. Mitch and Precious together make around $20mm, so that caps the amount we can take back in a deal. Not a lot of center talent available in that contract range that you can reasonably point to and call an upgrade in talent from Mitch and Precious. I’m also not sure we would want an expiring contract back because that introduces more cap uncertainty next year, which takes even more guys off the list. It’s a real threading the needle situation, so for a relatively low value position like backup center, feels like we’re better off taking a flyer on a Hukporti or another minimum signing (in retrospect Luke Kornet should have been the guy) to solve whatever hole remains.

[Luv those Knicks]

It will only make sense after its done...or not done. I keep hearing we are trying to stack 20 million in contracts to make another move.....some say for Marcus Smart. Now that really doesnt t make sense to me....unless it;s another move before the real move...and I wouldn't put it past our FO to play chess like that.

I agree with you, Smart doesn't make sense and right now, I think we need both Precious and Mitch, so it doesn't make sense on 2 levels.

There's team building for the 2025 playoff run and roster building for future trades. Adding Bogs last year kind of helped both of those categories. He gave us more than Fournier did and he was extended a year further, so he was a trade chip.

I think we give up too much size if that Smart rumor has any truth to it.

Precious could walk after this year, if another team offers him like 10 to 12 million per. I don't think NY could match that. Mitch might have more trade value next year as an expiring, so . . . I don't know. Wait and see I suppose.

[KnixinSix]

It will only make sense after its done...or not done. I keep hearing we are trying to stack 20 million in contracts to make another move.....some say for Marcus Smart. Now that really doesnt t make sense to me....unless it;s another move before the real move...and I wouldn't put it past our FO to play chess like that.

I agree with you, Smart doesn't make sense and right now, I think we need both Precious and Mitch, so it doesn't make sense on 2 levels.

There's team building for the 2025 playoff run and roster building for future trades. Adding Bogs last year kind of helped both of those categories. He gave us more than Fournier did and he was extended a year further, so he was a trade chip.

I think we give up too much size if that Smart rumor has any truth to it.

Precious could walk after this year, if another team offers him like 10 to 12 million per. I don't think NY could match that. Mitch might have more trade value next year as an expiring, so . . . I don't know. Wait and see I suppose.

I am not saying I disagree. The only way I can see it is that Thibs is borderline defense obsessed and they have targeted a player to perfectly complement Brunson as a pure 1. That guy would be a decent ball handler and strong distributor while also being able to play elite defense. Currently that guy is not on the roster. With our offensive firepower having Smart on the floor with Bridges, Hart, OG,KAT/Achiuwa would be an absolute lockdown unit. That could hold leads at end of games.

Some will say between Payne and McBride we have enough , maybe they are right but neither is a DPOY candidate like smart is.

[3toheadmelo]

It will only make sense after its done...or not done. I keep hearing we are trying to stack 20 million in contracts to make another move.....some say for Marcus Smart. Now that really doesnt t make sense to me....unless it;s another move before the real move...and I wouldn't put it past our FO to play chess like that.

I agree with you, Smart doesn't make sense and right now, I think we need both Precious and Mitch, so it doesn't make sense on 2 levels.

There's team building for the 2025 playoff run and roster building for future trades. Adding Bogs last year kind of helped both of those categories. He gave us more than Fournier did and he was extended a year further, so he was a trade chip.

I think we give up too much size if that Smart rumor has any truth to it.

Precious could walk after this year, if another team offers him like 10 to 12 million per. I don't think NY could match that. Mitch might have more trade value next year as an expiring, so . . . I don't know. Wait and see I suppose.

if hukporti becomes a legit rotation piece, it might be smart to capitalize on trading precious's contract before we lose him in free agency imo. there is prob a good list of players we can get with 20 mill in salary.

[RHODEY]

It will only make sense after its done...or not done. I keep hearing we are trying to stack 20 million in contracts to make another move.....some say for Marcus Smart. Now that really doesnt t make sense to me....unless it;s another move before the real move...and I wouldn't put it past our FO to play chess like that.

I agree with you, Smart doesn't make sense and right now, I think we need both Precious and Mitch, so it doesn't make sense on 2 levels.

There's team building for the 2025 playoff run and roster building for future trades. Adding Bogs last year kind of helped both of those categories. He gave us more than Fournier did and he was extended a year further, so he was a trade chip.

I think we give up too much size if that Smart rumor has any truth to it.

Precious could walk after this year, if another team offers him like 10 to 12 million per. I don't think NY could match that. Mitch might have more trade value next year as an expiring, so . . . I don't know. Wait and see I suppose.

if hukporti becomes a legit rotation piece, it might be smart to capitalize on trading precious's contract before we lose him in free agency imo. there is prob a good list of players we can get with 20 mill in salary.

Just wonder how Precious would be worth 10 to 12 million per when the 6 million hes getting now was considered an overpay.... Or was it that team just ran out of money to spend?

[RHODEY]

It will only make sense after its done...or not done. I keep hearing we are trying to stack 20 million in contracts to make another move.....some say for Marcus Smart. Now that really doesnt t make sense to me....unless it;s another move before the real move...and I wouldn't put it past our FO to play chess like that.

I agree with you, Smart doesn't make sense and right now, I think we need both Precious and Mitch, so it doesn't make sense on 2 levels.

There's team building for the 2025 playoff run and roster building for future trades. Adding Bogs last year kind of helped both of those categories. He gave us more than Fournier did and he was extended a year further, so he was a trade chip.

I think we give up too much size if that Smart rumor has any truth to it.

Precious could walk after this year, if another team offers him like 10 to 12 million per. I don't think NY could match that. Mitch might have more trade value next year as an expiring, so . . . I don't know. Wait and see I suppose.

I am not saying I disagree. The only way I can see it is that Thibs is borderline defense obsessed and they have targeted a player to perfectly complement Brunson as a pure 1. That guy would be a decent ball handler and strong distributor while also being able to play elite defense. Currently that guy is not on the roster. With our offensive firepower having Smart on the floor with Bridges, Hart, OG,KAT/Achiuwa would be an absolute lockdown unit. That could hold leads at end of games.

Some will say between Payne and McBride we have enough , maybe they are right but neither is a DPOY candidate like smart is.

Old Smart would be redundant Imo we already have lock down wings up the wazoo...from what I can tell he doesn't bring anything substantial over Hart,Bridges, or Deuce except for spotty 3 point shooting ...

[G_K_F]

Mitch Rob + Sims + 1st round pick and change in a 3 way trade for Jordan Clarkson and Nick Williams.

[thebuzzardman]

At this point the Knicks "core" is:

Bruson
KAT
Mikal
OG
Hart

Their "assets", if they are going to explore any trades, are:

Sims $1,886,069 avg salary
Deuce $4,333,333
Precious $6,000,000
Mitch $12,900,000
Hart $18,100,000

And whatever Kolek, Dadiet, Payne get.

Later, in a few years, if the Knicks want to shake things up, it'll be OG or Bridges

If we look at how the Knicks have operated under the Don Leon regime, they build up depth at a position and then make a deal.

Current Knick centers, for better or worse:

KAT - plays 5 and 4
Precious - plays 4 and 5
Mitch - plays the 5
Hukporti - plays the 5
Sims - plays the 5

That's 5 guys capable of playing the 5.
Two have multi-positional value

Draw your own conclusions about which ones are on the block

[stuporman]

It feels kinda weird to have some trust in a Knicks FO and their lead players after all these years of leaning more to doubting them.

Especially now that virtually all the previous regime remnants are gone...extra especially one remnant is gone.

[Clyde_Style]

At this point the Knicks "core" is:

Bruson
KAT
Mikal
OG
Hart

Their "assets", if they are going to explore any trades, are:

Sims $1,886,069 avg salary
Deuce $4,333,333
Precious $6,000,000
Mitch $12,900,000
Hart $18,100,000

And whatever Kolek, Dadiet, Payne get.

Later, in a few years, if the Knicks want to shake things up, it'll be OG or Bridges

If we look at how the Knicks have operated under the Don Leon regime, they build up depth at a position and then make a deal.

Current Knick centers, for better or worse:

KAT - plays 5 and 4
Precious - plays 4 and 5
Mitch - plays the 5
Hukporti - plays the 5
Sims - plays the 5

That's 5 guys capable of playing the 5.
Two have multi-positional value

Draw your own conclusions about which ones are on the block

I don't know if he will match Mitch's numbers on the offensive boards, but in this pre-season it does look like Huk made Mitch expendable as he is far more capable on offense and can play defense. And he has the size to play the bigger centers in the league. For big lineups we can have KAT and Huk on the floor together.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

People keep trying to bundle Knicks players to reach some 20m "better" player. At this point not only can the Knicks not take more salary back than they send out, they can't send more players out than they get back.

[StlHawksFan]

I agree with you, Smart doesn't make sense and right now, I think we need both Precious and Mitch, so it doesn't make sense on 2 levels.

There's team building for the 2025 playoff run and roster building for future trades. Adding Bogs last year kind of helped both of those categories. He gave us more than Fournier did and he was extended a year further, so he was a trade chip.

I think we give up too much size if that Smart rumor has any truth to it.

Precious could walk after this year, if another team offers him like 10 to 12 million per. I don't think NY could match that. Mitch might have more trade value next year as an expiring, so . . . I don't know. Wait and see I suppose.

if hukporti becomes a legit rotation piece, it might be smart to capitalize on trading precious's contract before we lose him in free agency imo. there is prob a good list of players we can get with 20 mill in salary.

Just wonder how Precious would be worth 10 to 12 million per when the 6 million hes getting now was considered an overpay.... Or was it that team just ran out of money to spend?

Using the MLE hard caps you at the second apron. A lot of teams value the flexibility of avoiding the hard cap.

[StlHawksFan]

People keep trying to bundle Knicks players to reach some 20m "better" player. At this point not only can the Knicks not take more salary back than they send out, they can't send more players out than they get back.

Bingo. Knicks can't even sign a vet min guy for slot #14! It has to be a rookie exception.

[Clyde_Style]

Knicks are likely going to keep hunting for Hukporti type players that don't cost them any assets to sign

[Luv those Knicks]

Just wonder how Precious would be worth 10 to 12 million per when the 6 million hes getting now was considered an overpay.... Or was it that team just ran out of money to spend?

My saying he might get a number NY couldn't match was contingent on him stepping up and having a better year this year, like I-Hart did last year. I didn't type that, but that's what I was thinking.

[Spree2Houston]

People keep trying to bundle Knicks players to reach some 20m "better" player. At this point not only can the Knicks not take more salary back than they send out, they can't send more players out than they get back.

So what realistic trades you think the Knicks can make with Mitch ?

[Besart19]

It will only make sense after its done...or not done. I keep hearing we are trying to stack 20 million in contracts to make another move.....some say for Marcus Smart. Now that really doesnt t make sense to me....unless it;s another move before the real move...and I wouldn't put it past our FO to play chess like that.

I agree with you, Smart doesn't make sense and right now, I think we need both Precious and Mitch, so it doesn't make sense on 2 levels.

There's team building for the 2025 playoff run and roster building for future trades. Adding Bogs last year kind of helped both of those categories. He gave us more than Fournier did and he was extended a year further, so he was a trade chip.

I think we give up too much size if that Smart rumor has any truth to it.

Precious could walk after this year, if another team offers him like 10 to 12 million per. I don't think NY could match that. Mitch might have more trade value next year as an expiring, so . . . I don't know. Wait and see I suppose.

if hukporti becomes a legit rotation piece, it might be smart to capitalize on trading precious's contract before we lose him in free agency imo. there is prob a good list of players we can get with 20 mill in salary.

he can be resigned for 150% of the last contract... which is more than fine amount for his level of talents

[thebuzzardman]

People keep trying to bundle Knicks players to reach some 20m "better" player. At this point not only can the Knicks not take more salary back than they send out, they can't send more players out than they get back.

Bingo. Knicks can't even sign a vet min guy for slot #14! It has to be a rookie exception.

People thought the Knicks couldn't aggregate players to get KAT but they did.
The list of tradable players is what they could use this year and next, aggregated or not. Might be a marginal one for one move.