PG: 3:30am in hk now, what an ugly win

[Capn'O]

I agree that Thibs needs to open his mind regarding minutes and trusting players -especially this year but I dont think
he will- therefore, im just going to enjoy the good and when the bad happens -hope for the best- I have no control over
Thibs or the Knicks Cap- so I might as well have fun and relax...thats my position Cap...Try to have fun with you guys while we
travel on this journey...

We definitely don't. But, for the sake of this board, ffs Thibs adjust

but after a win Cap...can the board enjoy a win ffs?!

That game pissed me off Thank God it ended in the W column.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Leon must be mad Thibs ruined Mikal

The scary thing is that if you look at his stats from all last year they aren’t much better. He only shot 43.6% last year, this year he is up to 46%. Maybe this is just who he is and the franchise is certifiably insane ?

I'm going to assume they thought we were getting first season with the Nets Mikal and that last season was a fluke of him not wanting to be there. He's a career 48% from the field, the sore spot is his 3 point shooting, and has been since the preseason. A couple of us were concerned that he couldn't make threes in the preseason and were told not to worry and that he'll make them in the regular season, it's been past the time to worry about his shooting. If he can't hit above the break threes it limits what he is, with the Nets the last two seasons he was PnR ball handler 27% of his plays last year, and 24% the year before with the Nets and 14% that year with the Suns, that's down to 9% with us.

He had a PnR today, they went under and he had a wide open three and he dribbled in to take a contested mid range fallaway shot because he can't make the three anymore.

[BKlutch]

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This guy only hit 4 3's in his 36 point game. He's not really the best 3 point shooter, but his is historically a great defender and a very good player on offense. He needs more time to gel -- I recall that Josh Hart was ready for the scrap heap in SL. Now we love him. Let's give Mikal some time, maybe even play him less than 38 minutes/game, and see how he does. This is a contract year, so we're not stuck with him long term if we don't want him. But we very well may!

[Context]

We definitely don't. But, for the sake of this board, ffs Thibs adjust

but after a win Cap...can the board enjoy a win ffs?!

That game pissed me off Thank God it ended in the W column.

road games in cha and atl -especially when there are a lot of Knick fans are going to be tuff games. If I were a hawk I would be extremely motivated. Not to mention, it was a semi play-off game that was national televised on nba tv. Thats a game thats not going to be easy. I think if we win- we should enjoy it. Win is a win.

[KnixinSix]

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This guy only hit 4 3's in his 36 point game. He's not really the best 3 point shooter, but his is historically a great defender and a very good player on offense. He needs more time to gel -- I recall that Josh Hart was ready for the scrap heap in SL. Now we love him. Let's give Mikal some time, maybe even play him less than 38 minutes/game, and see how he does. This is a contract year, so we're not stuck with him long term if we don't want him. But we very well may!

Agreed....

Sometimes players take time to fit in folks.....we don’t want to wait though.

Mikals track record is too long and too good.

[TheGreenArrow]

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[taikibansei]

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KAT's really, really impressed me--not just his play on the court, but his leadership. Like Brunson, he says the right things off the court and tries each night to lead by example on the court.

I don't want us to waste this season/this effort/this potential. Moving forward, Bridges HAS to step up. Precious and Mitch have to come back healthy soon, and they need to stay healthy. And Thibs needs to make the hard decisions to make this all work--including if necessary starting Duece and bringing Bridges in from the bench.

[F N 11]

Y’all seem to finally be coming around on Thibs. I will be that guy and say “I told you”.

First Knicks game I watched in disgust and hardly pay attention to.

Thibs is that bad. He takes joy away from the game. Bench doesn’t even see daylight vs this hornets team.

At some point Thibs is going to have to actually coach instead of being stuck in his ways.

[The KnicksFix]

This is how you know its not rational...WE WON THE GAME Yet, the thread has so much negativity in it...
If we lose- ok thats fair but in a win...come on...
There are so many threads that you can obsess about Mikal, Thibs minutes -etc...
Is it too much to ask for US ALL to enjoy the win?!

It’s because of the way we won. We won by a point against a team playing without their star. The last game we lost against a team playing without three starters. It’s not about being satisfied with a one point win, it’s glaring weaknesses that are scary. Namely Mikal.

I would love to have a conversation with you -if I felt you would acknowledge points but its the same talking points- so whats the point. For example, Klay starting would have "helped us" so the fact that he's a starter was irrelevant. Context rules everything.
Look at the 15-1 Cavs...they lost back to back games againt ATL. This is the NBA. Every player can be a star on any given night.
Compound that with we are a new team. Our players are being played HEAVY minutes on a short rotation. We essentially have 6
players with experience- and in the last 2 games 7 with deuce coming back. That Dallas team (WITHOUT LUKA) beat Denver and OKC.
That team went to the finals because they are an elite team. Elite teams can beat other elite teams without their best players and they can esspecially beat our new-short handed-Knick team. For further context -Gafford is half of a two head Lively and Gafford-monster. So- I'll agree that they didnt have 1 1/2 of their starters in context Knick fix

True. Very true context. I hear you on those points but defense should be able to travel. I see glaring weaknesses that consistency leads to habits. Right now, Mikal turning the ball over on an inbounds, dying on screens, low energy on defense. These are glaring weaknesses that are due to energy and effort. This is why people are not feeling the win.

[The KnicksFix]

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KAT's really, really impressed me--not just his play on the court, but his leadership. Like Brunson, he says the right things off the court and tries each night to lead by example on the court.

I don't want us to waste this season/this effort/this potential. Moving forward, Bridges HAS to step up. Precious and Mitch have to come back healthy soon, and they need to stay healthy. And Thibs needs to make the hard decisions to make this all work--including if necessary starting Duece and bringing Bridges in from the bench.

If you let Mikal come off the bench I guarantee you he’s going to ease himself into what is needed from the starting lineup.

[Red Vines]

Thibs is playing with fire & someone needs to speak up. I thought they had the sit down talk with him by now about playing guys too many minutes. I thought hiring a supposedly big time athletic trainer Casey Smith was a way to more closely monitor player fatigue. There needs to be an intervention or it's going to end in disaster before the playoffs start.

[F N 11]

Thibs is playing with fire & someone needs to speak up. I thought they had the sit down talk with him by now about playing guys too many minutes. I thought hiring a supposedly big time athletic trainer Casey Smith was a way to more closely monitor player fatigue. There needs to be an intervention or it's going to end in disaster before the playoffs start.

Bro did It for 2 games to get people off his back then back to the stupidity. He only did it because Deuce was hurt.

[taikibansei]

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KAT's really, really impressed me--not just his play on the court, but his leadership. Like Brunson, he says the right things off the court and tries each night to lead by example on the court.

I don't want us to waste this season/this effort/this potential. Moving forward, Bridges HAS to step up. Precious and Mitch have to come back healthy soon, and they need to stay healthy. And Thibs needs to make the hard decisions to make this all work--including if necessary starting Duece and bringing Bridges in from the bench.

If you let Mikal come off the bench I guarantee you he’s going to ease himself into what is needed from the starting lineup.

Yeah, I'm thinking (hoping? praying?) that it's just a matter of Mikal needing time to adjust, that he's just not handling the pressure of suddenly playing important games again on a team with (imo) near-term championship aspirations (and not that he **** sucks now). We need to forget the frps and the contract--sunk costs. If Mikal needs to come off the bench for a bit to find his role on the team (and remember how to play defense and fix his shot), especially with Duece producing like he is, then I'm all for it. Bottom line: we need Mikal producing like we thought by the playoffs, or we're likely going nowhere.

[Clyde_Style]

Schedule says we play the Raptors on 12/9 and don't have another game until Minnesota on 12/19. Is that right? 10 day break?

That is weird

Checked Google and NBA.com and they do have a ten day break

[mpharris36]

Schedule says we play the Raptors on 12/9 and don't have another game until Minnesota on 12/19. Is that right? 10 day break?

That is weird

Checked Google and NBA.com and they do have a ten day break

that is when the NBA cup is being played. There will be games they just haven't been announced yet.

[Clyde_Style]

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KAT's really, really impressed me--not just his play on the court, but his leadership. Like Brunson, he says the right things off the court and tries each night to lead by example on the court.

I don't want us to waste this season/this effort/this potential. Moving forward, Bridges HAS to step up. Precious and Mitch have to come back healthy soon, and they need to stay healthy. And Thibs needs to make the hard decisions to make this all work--including if necessary starting Duece and bringing Bridges in from the bench.

KAT was battling in the first half to keep us in the game, heading into the paint time and again. He had some mismatches, but it was often him against 2-3 Hornets on the glass and he was fighting for everything.

Until our backcourt woke up later in the game, KAT and Brunson kept us from falling to pieces today.

KAT has been a breath of fresh air. We're very lucky to have traded Randle for him.

[Clyde_Style]

Schedule says we play the Raptors on 12/9 and don't have another game until Minnesota on 12/19. Is that right? 10 day break?

That is weird

Checked Google and NBA.com and they do have a ten day break

that is when the NBA cup is being played. There will be games they just haven't been announced yet.

Aha. Makes sense

[Clyde_Style]

I think a lot of us are wondering why Huk and Dadiet have been ghosted after performing well.

That's two guys who give us mobility and size in the paint that looks superior to Sims and a shooter who was knocking down their threes and defending pretty well.

They are the bench. Thibs won't play them. Can't say we have no bench if we don't use it.

I know Kolek is sick ATM, but he was also a bench piece that basically got disappeared as well. Dude can shoot too.

Those three guys can easily shave five minutes off the starters playing time.

Thibs is fubar.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

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This guy only hit 4 3's in his 36 point game. He's not really the best 3 point shooter, but his is historically a great defender and a very good player on offense. He needs more time to gel -- I recall that Josh Hart was ready for the scrap heap in SL. Now we love him. Let's give Mikal some time, maybe even play him less than 38 minutes/game, and see how he does. This is a contract year, so we're not stuck with him long term if we don't want him. But we very well may!

Agreed....

Sometimes players take time to fit in folks.....we don’t want to wait though.

Mikals track record is too long and too good.

The threat of the three is why defenders close out hard against shooters; notice in that game he was getting layups? Now ask yourself when's the last time you saw him get a layup in the halfcourt. You don't need to make a ton of threes for the defense to respect you, but once you show that you can't make them teams stop closing out against you with speed and they play you for the drive. He's not forceful getting to the basket like Josh, so what we see is a bunch of middies, and those are starting to miss now.


If he can't shoot threes reliably his track record is irrelevant, he was 2-18 from three in preseason and that has carried over to the season.

[The KnicksFix]

Hoping it's an ihart situation...ihart did look like a pile of dog doo when he first joined.

And Donte.

But none of them were getting this many minutes, and none of them were starting
When Donte started is when he turned the corner