PG: Who doesn't see this coming VS Cavs?

[The KnicksFix]

Then cheer for whoever is number 1. You won't because you're a fan of the Knicks. They're your heart. That's why we're all here. So it can't be we only cheer if they're championship worthy. You'd only have fans in their 60s and 70s.

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Nah Brody, you got the game twisted. We here for business. We here to win.
That’s the problem with today’s society, you don’t get trophies for participating, you get trophies for being the best.
Yea we root for the team because we will always be Knick fans, but this the best team we had in damn near 26 years, and if the product on the court is garbage compared to the other top 3 teams, they not representing what New York is. Those teams are better than us, but they not 30 points better than us. The wizards lost to the Celtics by less points than we did in their 2 games against the C’s, are we the Wizards? Get it together, we not the same team as 5 or 10 years ago, we have entered into the realm of being contenders, the product on the court needs to represent that whether we play the wizards and jazz or if we play the Celtics and Cavs.

You lost me. You root for them because you're a Knicks fan first before their record or is this your first year of fandom?

If you root for them because you love the Knicks being mad they aren't the Celtics, Boston or OKC is just an emotional response. There is no logic as to why they should be in that class.

Are we the Wizards? No. So teams don't beat down the Wizards because there is no message to send. There is a message to send against NYC.

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Ya lost me bud, you would think after the first or second of the following losses:
35 to the Celtics 2/8
35 to the Celtics 10/22
30 to the thunder 1/10
37 to the Cavs 2/22

We would have our own message to send. Again, this isn’t an emotional response, it’s about showing some damn pride on the court, and making the adjustments to do so. You think we are the wizards?? We came into the year with a BETTER STARTING 5 than the team that ended last year. We are the worst 3 point defending team in the league, and it’s not by luck, it’s by design. We lose these games why? Because we don’t guard the 3, we gave up 9 extra 3’s last night and lost by 37, by design of our archaic coach. It’s fans like you that would say “oh thats just a coincidence”.

Sack up and call a spade a spade. The coach sucks.
I’ve been watching the Knicks for 31 years now. The main person holding back this team is the Coach, no one else, and if that don’t piss you off then go root for the Nets.

[mpharris36]

What defence do you suggest? Can't switch, can't go under. KAT isn't quick enough to blitz.

Are you calling for zone? Thibs doesn't zone not even a little bit.

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Exactly my point. A matchup zone might be the best strategy to protect brunson and KAT in the P&R. Put OG and Mikal at the top of the zone managing all the screens. Put Brunson in a corner and hide him. So no matter who comes up to screen brunson or KAT won't go with them.

You don't need a screen in a match up zone. Now put your scorer on Brunson's side and you go straight into your mismatch. KAT still has to protect the rim.

You cannot hide two bad defenders in any scheme.

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I will gladly take post ups in the corner. Much easy to double and force turnovers in the corner with the sideline as an extra defender. You want to limit these guys guarding in space.

[Spree2Houston]

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[nykballa2k4]

So is deeeeeeeeeez or mp running this account?

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I suspect your post falls on lots of blind eyes here.

so 3 for 7 shooting by non Garland shooters?

[prophet_of_rage]

Exactly my point. A matchup zone might be the best strategy to protect brunson and KAT in the P&R. Put OG and Mikal at the top of the zone managing all the screens. Put Brunson in a corner and hide him. So no matter who comes up to screen brunson or KAT won't go with them.

You don't need a screen in a match up zone. Now put your scorer on Brunson's side and you go straight into your mismatch. KAT still has to protect the rim.

You cannot hide two bad defenders in any scheme.

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I will gladly take post ups in the corner. Much easy to double and force turnovers in the corner with the sideline as an extra defender. You want to limit these guys guarding in space.

It won't be a post up, though. If you want a match up 1-2-2 like the Saunders Pistons had then Jalen would the primary poa. You screen off the next two layers OG and Bridges forcing Brunson into single coverage elbow to elbow.

Matchup 2-3 you backscreen the top 2 and get it against Brunson on a face up.

Or you overload on a side for even more open cormer threea.

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[Iron Mantis]

This loss sucked, but things could be worse. at least we're not the "star-studded" Sixers.

[mpharris36]

You don't need a screen in a match up zone. Now put your scorer on Brunson's side and you go straight into your mismatch. KAT still has to protect the rim.

You cannot hide two bad defenders in any scheme.

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I will gladly take post ups in the corner. Much easy to double and force turnovers in the corner with the sideline as an extra defender. You want to limit these guys guarding in space.

It won't be a post up, though. If you want a match up 1-2-2 like the Saunders Pistons had then Jalen would the primary poa. You screen off the next two layers OG and Bridges forcing Brunson into single coverage elbow to elbow.

Matchup 2-3 you backscreen the top 2 and get it against Brunson on a face up.

Or you overload on a side for even more open cormer threea.

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there is a reason most teams run high pick & roll (and don't operate there offense in the corner)...opens up both sides of the court. If you are operating from one corner its very challenging to utilize the opposite side of the court. It's also far easier to guard P&R's in the corner then it is above the break. You have way more options. That is just common sense.

[Capn'O]

This loss sucked, but things could be worse. at least we're not the "star-studded" Sixers.

You'd think we were

[prophet_of_rage]

I will gladly take post ups in the corner. Much easy to double and force turnovers in the corner with the sideline as an extra defender. You want to limit these guys guarding in space.

It won't be a post up, though. If you want a match up 1-2-2 like the Saunders Pistons had then Jalen would the primary poa. You screen off the next two layers OG and Bridges forcing Brunson into single coverage elbow to elbow.

Matchup 2-3 you backscreen the top 2 and get it against Brunson on a face up.

Or you overload on a side for even more open cormer threea.

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there is a reason most teams run high pick & roll (and don't operate there offense in the corner)...opens up both sides of the court. If you are operating from one corner its very challenging to utilize the opposite side of the court. It's also far easier to guard P&R's in the corner then it is above the break. You have way more options. That is just common sense.

Yes but they do this because teams don't run zones. You screen zones and overload them to get 3s. That is basic basketball.

No defence hasn't been solved by offence. A matchup zone is just shuffling the deck and again does the same thing as our shell. Protects the rim and leaves shooters open. You want a zone that takes away the perimeter then KAT is left alone.

You can't get away from the basic problem no matter what you try. They are bad defenders that require help causing rotation and open 3s.

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[Clyde_Style]

This loss sucked, but things could be worse. at least we're not the "star-studded" Sixers.

You'd think we were

Talked to a Sixers fan this week. They are so sad about the team these days.

He wants to move on from Embiid ASAP now, but he knows there probably are no takers.

Seems like Philly's only way out is to retire Embiid and get some kind of exemption from the league. Would Embiid retire? I don't know, but he should. He's never going to play enough minutes to matter ever again.

[dakomish23]

we shouldn't be this uncompetitive vs the top teams. Something has to give.

THe defense sucks but the offense isn't good either vs those top teams either.

That tells you the team isn't good enough. These are all 20 pt + blowouts. No play, no scheme can fix that. They simply aren't good enough. And that's okay to admit.

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On the contrary. How can you beat everyone else but then get destroyed by the same few teams. It really is pronounced when you play teams on equal footing or better talent that coaching and scheme matter.

You or I can coach this team to beat Washington. There is too much talent to lose to those teams. Then a team like DEN who's hot right now why do we look so good vs them? Why do we look so good vs MIL?

I'll tell you because our "shell" defense works vs them and they can't take advantage of what our defense is designed to give up.

Schematically we don't adj to different teams...that is an issue and has always been a issue of thibs coached teams.

Exactly. When the talent is more equal and we get demolished then clearly other factors are elevated

[G_K_F]

Then cheer for whoever is number 1. You won't because you're a fan of the Knicks. They're your heart. That's why we're all here. So it can't be we only cheer if they're championship worthy. You'd only have fans in their 60s and 70s.

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Nah Brody, you got the game twisted. We here for business. We here to win.
That’s the problem with today’s society, you don’t get trophies for participating, you get trophies for being the best.
Yea we root for the team because we will always be Knick fans, but this the best team we had in damn near 26 years, and if the product on the court is garbage compared to the other top 3 teams, they not representing what New York is. Those teams are better than us, but they not 30 points better than us. The wizards lost to the Celtics by less points than we did in their 2 games against the C’s, are we the Wizards? Get it together, we not the same team as 5 or 10 years ago, we have entered into the realm of being contenders, the product on the court needs to represent that whether we play the wizards and jazz or if we play the Celtics and Cavs.

I don’t think you’re making too much sense and you know it. It is not healthy if you cannot acknowledge other people’s greatness. Many factions can be good. You can fall short, that is okay - especially if in a team game they have been together much longer and you just happen to be without your gatekeeper.

And before anyone says I’ll settle: we win a playoff series against Cleveland.

We’ve already won a playoff series again Cleveland.

If we’re settling for that then we’ve taken steps backward.

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There’s no settling.

[8516knicks]

So is deeeeeeeeeez or mp running this account?

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I suspect your post falls on lots of blind eyes here.

so 3 for 7 shooting by non Garland shooters?

You get an A in math.

[E-Balla]

Also anyone blaming Thibs is doing so because they think we're better than we are. Y'all deserve the worst team in the league smh.

No I think another coach with this same roster could have them playing a more creative, efficient offense. A better defensive scheme. And would have developed the bench better by now.

I agree Boston and Cleveland have better rosters but another coach would have the Knicks competing with the two powers not getting blown out every time

We have one of the best offensive systems in the league and a top 2 offense. Should be completely surprised with Thibs. The roster is ****, we have basically the same SRS and are on pace for the same record as last year with better injury luck.

Another coach wouldn't have us competing because our bench would be even more significantly underdeveloped. We win minutes without our best guys on the floor, just not against Kenny Atkinson and Joe Mazzulla.

[3toheadmelo]

Last year we had Randle, OG, and Robinson/IHart from night to night

This year we have Josh Hart, OG, Towns from night to night

Much smaller and weaker on the defensive end

As much as we sh*t on Randle, he was a f**cking bully, a bruising intimidator on the floor

Can’t lose all of this size and toughness and compete with Boston and Cleveland, we are too small and weak

Can’t give up 16 points in dunks and layups in the first quarter or any half even and have a chance to win, you WILL get blown out by top teams

[mpharris36]

It won't be a post up, though. If you want a match up 1-2-2 like the Saunders Pistons had then Jalen would the primary poa. You screen off the next two layers OG and Bridges forcing Brunson into single coverage elbow to elbow.

Matchup 2-3 you backscreen the top 2 and get it against Brunson on a face up.

Or you overload on a side for even more open cormer threea.

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there is a reason most teams run high pick & roll (and don't operate there offense in the corner)...opens up both sides of the court. If you are operating from one corner its very challenging to utilize the opposite side of the court. It's also far easier to guard P&R's in the corner then it is above the break. You have way more options. That is just common sense.

Yes but they do this because teams don't run zones. You screen zones and overload them to get 3s. That is basic basketball.

No defence hasn't been solved by offence. A matchup zone is just shuffling the deck and again does the same thing as our shell. Protects the rim and leaves shooters open. You want a zone that takes away the perimeter then KAT is left alone.

You can't get away from the basic problem no matter what you try. They are bad defenders that require help causing rotation and open 3s.

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and the numbers still suggest we overhelp at the rim. The 3 ball wins and losses games. If you have to give up a 2 sometimes you should instead of letting a team get hot from 3.

KAT isn't a good defender...I don't claim him to be. Brunson isn't a good defender...I don't claim him to be. But the numbers by far suggest both are NET positives on the court by a lot...so there offense well outweighs there limitations defensively. That can't be argued (numbers back it up).

So now we are at a point why do we continue to run drop coverage which KAT is notoriously the worst at. Switch/matchup zone is the lesser of two evils. I'm not saying run it every time I'm saying mix it up so that teams are comfortable guarding us. Teams know how to attack our "shell" because its basic and we don't adjust team to team we run the same scheme vs good shooting teams or bad shooting teams.

We not talking about getting to a top 10 defense...we don't need to be. We just can't be a bottom 3rd defensive team which we are close to. Rockets start Jalen Green and Sengun two bad defenders and still manage a top defense. We have enough with OG/Hart/Mikal to get creative enough on defense to make teams somewhat uncomfortable...it won't be perfect but you simply can't say hey Brunson/KAT aren't good defensively so you can't win with them. DEN won with Jokic/MPJ...its possible.

[nykballa2k4]

there is a reason most teams run high pick & roll (and don't operate there offense in the corner)...opens up both sides of the court. If you are operating from one corner its very challenging to utilize the opposite side of the court. It's also far easier to guard P&R's in the corner then it is above the break. You have way more options. That is just common sense.

Yes but they do this because teams don't run zones. You screen zones and overload them to get 3s. That is basic basketball.

No defence hasn't been solved by offence. A matchup zone is just shuffling the deck and again does the same thing as our shell. Protects the rim and leaves shooters open. You want a zone that takes away the perimeter then KAT is left alone.

You can't get away from the basic problem no matter what you try. They are bad defenders that require help causing rotation and open 3s.

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and the numbers still suggest we overhelp at the rim. The 3 ball wins and losses games. If you have to give up a 2 sometimes you should instead of letting a team get hot from 3.

KAT isn't a good defender...I don't claim him to be. Brunson isn't a good defender...I don't claim him to be. But the numbers by far suggest both are NET positives on the court by a lot...so there offense well outweighs there limitations defensively. That can't be argued (numbers back it up).

So now we are at a point why do we continue to run drop coverage which KAT is notoriously the worst at. Switch/matchup zone is the lesser of two evils. I'm not saying run it every time I'm saying mix it up so that teams are comfortable guarding us. Teams know how to attack our "shell" because its basic and we don't adjust team to team we run the same scheme vs good shooting teams or bad shooting teams.

We not talking about getting to a top 10 defense...we don't need to be. We just can't be a bottom 3rd defensive team which we are close to. Rockets start Jalen Green and Sengun two bad defenders and still manage a top defense. We have enough with OG/Hart/Mikal to get creative enough on defense to make teams somewhat uncomfortable...it won't be perfect but you simply can't say hey Brunson/KAT aren't good defensively so you can't win with them. DEN won with Jokic/MPJ...its possible.

Yeah, I mean at some point the coach has to look at the data and say "it's not working"
The sample is there. You added no depth at center, so you have mitch, Huk and no one as far as rim protection. Gotta start being flexible to switch because the good-great teams know that the ball is faster than even the best defensive players and one weak rotation, or one crap ref to allows a shooter to kick into a fake foul... it's all for nothing.

[WargamesX]

there is a reason most teams run high pick & roll (and don't operate there offense in the corner)...opens up both sides of the court. If you are operating from one corner its very challenging to utilize the opposite side of the court. It's also far easier to guard P&R's in the corner then it is above the break. You have way more options. That is just common sense.

Yes but they do this because teams don't run zones. You screen zones and overload them to get 3s. That is basic basketball.

No defence hasn't been solved by offence. A matchup zone is just shuffling the deck and again does the same thing as our shell. Protects the rim and leaves shooters open. You want a zone that takes away the perimeter then KAT is left alone.

You can't get away from the basic problem no matter what you try. They are bad defenders that require help causing rotation and open 3s.

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and the numbers still suggest we overhelp at the rim. The 3 ball wins and losses games. If you have to give up a 2 sometimes you should instead of letting a team get hot from 3.

KAT isn't a good defender...I don't claim him to be. Brunson isn't a good defender...I don't claim him to be. But the numbers by far suggest both are NET positives on the court by a lot...so there offense well outweighs there limitations defensively. That can't be argued (numbers back it up).

So now we are at a point why do we continue to run drop coverage which KAT is notoriously the worst at. Switch/matchup zone is the lesser of two evils. I'm not saying run it every time I'm saying mix it up so that teams are comfortable guarding us. Teams know how to attack our "shell" because its basic and we don't adjust team to team we run the same scheme vs good shooting teams or bad shooting teams.

We not talking about getting to a top 10 defense...we don't need to be. We just can't be a bottom 3rd defensive team which we are close to. Rockets start Jalen Green and Sengun two bad defenders and still manage a top defense. We have enough with OG/Hart/Mikal to get creative enough on defense to make teams somewhat uncomfortable...it won't be perfect but you simply can't say hey Brunson/KAT aren't good defensively so you can't win with them. DEN won with Jokic/MPJ...its possible.

The only argument I could think off is the plan is to have Robinson play heavy minutes at the 5 with KAT at the 4 and the defense will be the same but with Robinson at center which would be a better option and easier to reinforce than "Play zone with KAT is at the 5 and then play drop with Mitch is at the 5"

[prophet_of_rage]

Yes but they do this because teams don't run zones. You screen zones and overload them to get 3s. That is basic basketball.

No defence hasn't been solved by offence. A matchup zone is just shuffling the deck and again does the same thing as our shell. Protects the rim and leaves shooters open. You want a zone that takes away the perimeter then KAT is left alone.

You can't get away from the basic problem no matter what you try. They are bad defenders that require help causing rotation and open 3s.

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and the numbers still suggest we overhelp at the rim. The 3 ball wins and losses games. If you have to give up a 2 sometimes you should instead of letting a team get hot from 3.

KAT isn't a good defender...I don't claim him to be. Brunson isn't a good defender...I don't claim him to be. But the numbers by far suggest both are NET positives on the court by a lot...so there offense well outweighs there limitations defensively. That can't be argued (numbers back it up).

So now we are at a point why do we continue to run drop coverage which KAT is notoriously the worst at. Switch/matchup zone is the lesser of two evils. I'm not saying run it every time I'm saying mix it up so that teams are comfortable guarding us. Teams know how to attack our "shell" because its basic and we don't adjust team to team we run the same scheme vs good shooting teams or bad shooting teams.

We not talking about getting to a top 10 defense...we don't need to be. We just can't be a bottom 3rd defensive team which we are close to. Rockets start Jalen Green and Sengun two bad defenders and still manage a top defense. We have enough with OG/Hart/Mikal to get creative enough on defense to make teams somewhat uncomfortable...it won't be perfect but you simply can't say hey Brunson/KAT aren't good defensively so you can't win with them. DEN won with Jokic/MPJ...its possible.

Yeah, I mean at some point the coach has to look at the data and say "it's not working"
The sample is there. You added no depth at center, so you have mitch, Huk and no one as far as rim protection. Gotta start being flexible to switch because the good-great teams know that the ball is faster than even the best defensive players and one weak rotation, or one crap ref to allows a shooter to kick into a fake foul... it's all for nothing.

I think they just can't change too much. We don't overhelp they will overwhelm us at the rim and KAT will foul out.

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[8516knicks]

Mitch will elevate us from Tier 2 to Tier 1.5

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All well and good provided he's not ALLERGIC to the court now.