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Guano wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:mpharris36 wrote:
Without our most selfish player too...
fixed
youre doing great work here
i'm rooting for you to get the mikal vs thibs/brunson war going.
TheGreenArrow wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Guano wrote:
Team mikal stand up. Never folded. A1 since day1.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gtfo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chanel Bomber wrote:This board really is full of bad people.
prophet_of_rage wrote:I think you ignore Rick Brunson's influence.mpharris36 wrote:prophet_of_rage wrote:Brunson isn't a crutch. He's the associate head coach's son. Rick is probably calling a lot when JB is in. Hence Divo's outburst.
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Brunson is Thibs crutch was my point...Brunson is so good at isolating that thibs just crosses his arms and let Brunson do everything.
If we ran actual offense/actions that get all our players involved we wouldn't have such volatility in our secondary scoring. How does Mikal go from being an afterthought in the offense to the #1 option with one injury. Even with Brunson in you can scheme plays for Mikal to get more involved.
He took 6 shots in an OT game vs the Lakers...to now being the guy that gets every rep down the stretch.
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RIP mags prophet_of_rage wrote:I think you ignore Rick Brunson's influence.mpharris36 wrote:prophet_of_rage wrote:Brunson isn't a crutch. He's the associate head coach's son. Rick is probably calling a lot when JB is in. Hence Divo's outburst.
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Brunson is Thibs crutch was my point...Brunson is so good at isolating that thibs just crosses his arms and let Brunson do everything.
If we ran actual offense/actions that get all our players involved we wouldn't have such volatility in our secondary scoring. How does Mikal go from being an afterthought in the offense to the #1 option with one injury. Even with Brunson in you can scheme plays for Mikal to get more involved.
He took 6 shots in an OT game vs the Lakers...to now being the guy that gets every rep down the stretch.
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Rick Brunson is Associate Head Coach. Thibs lets his guard do whatever. JB chooses to call his own number. This is what happened with Randle, too. The star hijacks the offence. You can fire Thibs and get a coach who will rein that in or you can demand your star take more accountability. I don't care who you demonise but the fire Thibs crew is admitting thatvthe way JB plays neefs to change and the Knicks will get better.mpharris36 wrote:Jalen Bluntson wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:
#1 Brunson hater
Dude has the worst takes on Brunson. Worse than Greenie weenie
wild he think the associate coach is calling his own sons number...like Rick doesn't say sh*t during the game.
Jeff Teague basically told you exactly how thibs coach. We don't run plays...he just lets his guard read and react to the defense. During crunch time that is fine...but early in the game we should have some set plays and actions to get get other guys involved.
Brunson isn't Steve Nash and should have to be. He can thrive off ball as well because he is very effective in catch and shoot and you can run him off screens as well.
Its just funny to me that Mikal is not worthy to run any action through with Brunson healthy but with Brunson now out he is our #1 option. That just shows you the limitations of our coach.
TheGreenArrow wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Guano wrote:
Team mikal stand up. Never folded. A1 since day1.
Gtfo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nothing. This was exciting basketball. Not beautiful but exciting.Guano wrote:mpharris36 wrote:Spree2Houston wrote:We’re down bad if we’re getting this hyped needing OT to beat the 8th worst team in the NBA lol
Good win overall. Portland came out gunning but we showed them there’s levels to being mid that they haven’t reached yet
Portland has been a much better team and really good defensively since they put Clingnan in the starting lineup.
They played close games with DET and GS and took CLE to OT as well.
Any win without Brunson shouldn't be taken for granted.
i get life is rough and times are hard but wtf are we doing here if we aren't celebrating an OT game winner
thebuzzardman wrote:Guano wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:
fixed
youre doing great work here
i'm rooting for you to get the mikal vs thibs/brunson war going.
I honestly get confused as to what exactly the narrative is I'm spinning. I should take notes. But that would indicate me caring.
Chanel Bomber wrote:This board really is full of bad people.
prophet_of_rage wrote:Rick Brunson is Associate Head Coach. Thibs lets his guard do whatever. JB chooses to call his own number. This is what happened with Randle, too. The star hijacks the offence. You can fire Thibs and get a coach who will rein that in or you can demand your star take more accountability. I don't care who you demonise but the fire Thibs crew is admitting thatvthe way JB plays neefs to change and the Knicks will get better.mpharris36 wrote:Jalen Bluntson wrote:
Dude has the worst takes on Brunson. Worse than Greenie weenie
wild he think the associate coach is calling his own sons number...like Rick doesn't say sh*t during the game.
Jeff Teague basically told you exactly how thibs coach. We don't run plays...he just lets his guard read and react to the defense. During crunch time that is fine...but early in the game we should have some set plays and actions to get get other guys involved.
Brunson isn't Steve Nash and should have to be. He can thrive off ball as well because he is very effective in catch and shoot and you can run him off screens as well.
Its just funny to me that Mikal is not worthy to run any action through with Brunson healthy but with Brunson now out he is our #1 option. That just shows you the limitations of our coach.
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RIP mags
GONYK wrote:mpharris36 wrote:GONYK wrote:
Can't involve KAT in the action if the 5 is on Josh and Josh won't shoot, because the 5 will then just drop to the rim and whoever is involved in the PnR meets a double team in the paint. It's basically why you can't just have KAT post up the smaller defender in that situation either.
Thibs isn't playing pure ISO ball. Every set basically starts with a screen or DHO to get a player in space and create an advantage that should force a double team. That is essentially what every team does. The spacing issues need to be worked out if Hart won't shoot though.
there are ways to get creative though. Teams want Draymond too shoot and GS finds way to get up shots to there best players. I get it also has to do with Curry's volume.
Golden State isn't analogous to anyone because of Curry's gravity and volume. They barely run any PnRs at all. The Knicks are middle of the pack in PnR frequency and #1 in the league in PnR points per possession. We also aren't even top 10 in the league in ISO frequency.But here an idea which they used a lot last night...use Hart more as a screener both on ball and off ball.
If teams are going to continue to drop off Hart us that against them. Mikal was money in the mid range and basically got the Blazers out of drop where they had to start blitzing him and then Mikal his Hart on a short role and then Josh Hart going down hill playing 4 on 3 is typically very advantageous to us.
Correct, but this completely neutralizes KAT as an offensive weapon and Josh can only get downhill on a 4 on 3 if KAT goes and stands in the corner the whole possession. It's not bad offense, and like you said, we're already doing it, but I wouldn't say it is ideal.Another thing we rarely use is Hart as an off ball screener. The big doesn't want to leave the paint so use Hart to off ball KAT as a pin down screen to have KAT either get open for a C&S 3...or force the big to have to switch back onto KAT on a close out and then KAT can attack.
Its like if the smaller player is on KAT he just stands around.
You can take advantage of a team dropping of Hart with it not resulting in a Hart 3...
Yea, we could be doing more of that, absolutely
Just do what they did. If the center is in drop off Harr run DHOs with a middy guy. That can KAT, Deuce or MB. Then they have to make plays out of that.GONYK wrote:MrDollarBills wrote:mpharris36 wrote:
I remember the Christmas game as well vs San Antonio.
That was that mid to late November time frame to about mid January that we were like scoring +120 pts on the regular...KT was playing at the top of his game...ball was moving more freely.
Then all of a sudden we reverted back to isolation basketball as teams started to adjust there defense vs us. They started to put bigger wings on KAT and centers on Hart...so thibs counter to that is not even use KAT or Mikal in the offense just let Brunson go 1 on 1.
I would say he needs to be more creative and innovative to counter that...but that is simply not thibs style.
I hate to keep ragging on him, but Thibs really has zero imagination.
Like there should be different sets and play calls to create opportunities for the main guys to get shots. Mikal could be doing so much more on and off ball. I think OG could be used as a screener for PnP opportunities and guys could be screening him open. KAT should be involved in 1-5 and 2-5 PnRs.
It's a ton of stuff that he could be doing but he prefers iso ball which is basically playing into the hands of better coaches.
Can't involve KAT in the action if the 5 is on Josh and Josh won't shoot, because the 5 will then just drop to the rim and whoever is involved in the PnR meets a double team in the paint. It's basically why you can't just have KAT post up the smaller defender in that situation either.
Thibs isn't playing pure ISO ball. Every set basically starts with a screen or DHO to get a player in space and create an advantage that should force a double team. That is essentially what every team does. The spacing issues need to be worked out if Hart won't shoot though.
Jimmit79 wrote:Yea RJ played well he was definitely the x factor
Exactly. Now we're talking ball! I fux with this!mpharris36 wrote:GONYK wrote:MrDollarBills wrote:
I hate to keep ragging on him, but Thibs really has zero imagination.
Like there should be different sets and play calls to create opportunities for the main guys to get shots. Mikal could be doing so much more on and off ball. I think OG could be used as a screener for PnP opportunities and guys could be screening him open. KAT should be involved in 1-5 and 2-5 PnRs.
It's a ton of stuff that he could be doing but he prefers iso ball which is basically playing into the hands of better coaches.
Can't involve KAT in the action if the 5 is on Josh and Josh won't shoot, because the 5 will then just drop to the rim and whoever is involved in the PnR meets a double team in the paint. It's basically why you can't just have KAT post up the smaller defender in that situation either.
Thibs isn't playing pure ISO ball. Every set basically starts with a screen or DHO to get a player in space and create an advantage that should force a double team. That is essentially what every team does. The spacing issues need to be worked out if Hart won't shoot though.
there are ways to get creative though. Teams want Draymond too shoot and GS finds way to get up shots to there best players. I get it also has to do with Curry's volume.
But here an idea which they used a lot last night...use Hart more as a screener both on ball and off ball.
If teams are going to continue to drop off Hart us that against them. Mikal was money in the mid range and basically got the Blazers out of drop where they had to start blitzing him and then Mikal his Hart on a short role and then Josh Hart going down hill playing 4 on 3 is typically very advantageous to us.
Another thing we rarely use is Hart as an off ball screener. The big doesn't want to leave the paint so use Hart to off ball KAT as a pin down screen to have KAT either get open for a C&S 3...or force the big to have to switch back onto KAT on a close out and then KAT can attack.
Its like if the smaller player is on KAT he just stands around.
You can take advantage of a team dropping of Hart with it not resulting in a Hart 3...
Chanel Bomber wrote:This board really is full of bad people.
It's not the number of shots. It's the how he gets his shots.Gravy wrote:Mikal is third on the team in field goal attempts. Isn't that where he should be after Brunson and KAT?
He takes plenty shots and has had many bad shooting games to where fans wanted him benched or traded.
mpharris36 wrote:GONYK wrote:mpharris36 wrote:
there are ways to get creative though. Teams want Draymond too shoot and GS finds way to get up shots to there best players. I get it also has to do with Curry's volume.
Golden State isn't analogous to anyone because of Curry's gravity and volume. They barely run any PnRs at all. The Knicks are middle of the pack in PnR frequency and #1 in the league in PnR points per possession. We also aren't even top 10 in the league in ISO frequency.But here an idea which they used a lot last night...use Hart more as a screener both on ball and off ball.
If teams are going to continue to drop off Hart us that against them. Mikal was money in the mid range and basically got the Blazers out of drop where they had to start blitzing him and then Mikal his Hart on a short role and then Josh Hart going down hill playing 4 on 3 is typically very advantageous to us.
Correct, but this completely neutralizes KAT as an offensive weapon and Josh can only get downhill on a 4 on 3 if KAT goes and stands in the corner the whole possession. It's not bad offense, and like you said, we're already doing it, but I wouldn't say it is ideal.Another thing we rarely use is Hart as an off ball screener. The big doesn't want to leave the paint so use Hart to off ball KAT as a pin down screen to have KAT either get open for a C&S 3...or force the big to have to switch back onto KAT on a close out and then KAT can attack.
Its like if the smaller player is on KAT he just stands around.
You can take advantage of a team dropping of Hart with it not resulting in a Hart 3...
Yea, we could be doing more of that, absolutely
this is exactly a pin down that I'm referencing. Simmons teams just drop off him so use that to our advantage off ball. KAT can flare to the wing for an open 3...if he hits one or two of them. Then the big is going to have to come up and help and then that will open KAT's driving game.
And yes we can mirror GS offense because of Curry's gravity...but we have a unicorn type center that shoots 42% from 3 and is taking less than 5 3's a game which is criminal. We have no designed offense to get 3's when teams put there center on Josh Hart.
Similarly when Brunson comes back you can have OG and KAT on the same side as Brunson and do the same thing with Hart and Mikal...pin down Mikal's guy with Hart and instead of a 3 that you would design for KAT you can run it like DET did with rip hamilton...get him in motion coming towards the basket for a middy or take it to the basket.
