PG: Knicks lose again to Cavs

[Guano]

The issue is that Brunson for his whole career has played next to a creator (Luka and Randle). So hes been struggling to find that balance since this is his first season without one. Our priority this summer is to get a creator next to him. Whether that’s Giannis or KD.

Tbh, at this point I'd settle for a bench scorer. We got nothing right now.

It’s going to be tough getting any type of scorer without sacrificing a core piece like KAT because we used up all of our assets on Mikalikina.

I'm preparing for us to just throw the bag at mikal and just run this sht back next year.

[thebuzzardman]

I always respect how we can find joy when times are rough. Especially if it's in the suffering of our enemies.


What I'm not liking around here is the shift in blaming Brunson. That's a new low in the season.

There’s a handful of posters been pushing that narrative since midseason.

I can handle a lot of silliness. Hell I like meLo and he is the avatar of silliness. But Brunson slander is where I draw the line.

Our coach literally runs a 1v1 offense and they blame Brunson for not creating. Brunson also left money on the table to build a winner. He deserves nothing but love and adoration from us. But it's not surprising that some of these loveless ghouls are desecrating the chosen one.

Word

[rajajackal]

I can handle a lot of silliness. Hell I like meLo and he is the avatar of silliness. But Brunson slander is where I draw the line.

Our coach literally runs a 1v1 offense and they blame Brunson for not creating. Brunson also left money on the table to build a winner. He deserves nothing but love and adoration from us. But it's not surprising that some of these loveless ghouls are desecrating the chosen one.

The issue is that Brunson for his whole career has played next to a creator (Luka and Randle). So hes been struggling to find that balance since this is his first season without one. Our priority this summer is to get a creator next to him. Whether that’s Giannis or KD.

Tbh, at this point I'd settle for a bench scorer. We got nothing right now.

bench scorer should be mikal. once we traded donte we should have slid mikal to 6th man. that way his job can be to stunt on jv lineups like we know he can. starting lineup offense should be brunson>kat>anunoby with kat as the passing hub and og as the release valve. similar to last year's january squad except kat splits the ihart/randle duties and mitch handles the interior defense. mcbride can be the primary backcourt defender and 4th option with the big 3 rather than 2nd/3rd option off the bench. i'm no x's and o's guy this is just how i'd delineate the responsibilities on the roster we have to give the ball "energy" as our head coach likes to say. nova bench, go wild

[thebuzzardman]

To be fair I’ve been experimenting with making Hart a villain to see who I can steer so I suppose that might be the play for others

He shouldn’t be starting though

[3toheadmelo]

Tbh, at this point I'd settle for a bench scorer. We got nothing right now.

It’s going to be tough getting any type of scorer without sacrificing a core piece like KAT because we used up all of our assets on Mikalikina.

I'm preparing for us to just throw the bag at mikal and just run this sht back next year.

Shams and Bondy said our playoffs will determine if we gonnna get KD or not.

[Ravenxvirall]

The issue is that Brunson for his whole career has played next to a creator (Luka and Randle). So hes been struggling to find that balance since this is his first season without one. Our priority this summer is to get a creator next to him. Whether that’s Giannis or KD.

Tbh, at this point I'd settle for a bench scorer. We got nothing right now.

bench scorer should be mikal. once we traded donte we should have slid mikal to 6th man. that way his job can be to stunt on jv lineups like we know he can. starting lineup offense should be brunson>kat>anunoby with kat as the passing hub and og as the release valve. similar to last year's january squad except kat splits the ihart/randle duties and mitch handles the interior defense. mcbride can be the primary backcourt defender and 4th option with the big 3 rather than 2nd/3rd option off the bench. i'm no x's and o's guy this is just how i'd delineate the responsibilities on the roster we have to give the ball "energy" as our head coach likes to say. nova bench, go wild

I agree with a lot of this, I think there’s a snowballs chance in hell that thibs would have mikal come of the bench though.

[Guano]

The issue is that Brunson for his whole career has played next to a creator (Luka and Randle). So hes been struggling to find that balance since this is his first season without one. Our priority this summer is to get a creator next to him. Whether that’s Giannis or KD.

Tbh, at this point I'd settle for a bench scorer. We got nothing right now.

bench scorer should be mikal. once we traded donte we should have slid mikal to 6th man. that way his job can be to stunt on jv lineups like we know he can. starting lineup offense should be brunson>kat>anunoby with kat as the passing hub and og as the release valve. similar to last year's january squad except kat splits the ihart/randle duties and mitch handles the interior defense. mcbride can be the primary backcourt defender and 4th option with the big 3 rather than 2nd/3rd option off the bench. i'm no x's and o's guy this is just how i'd delineate the responsibilities on the roster we have to give the ball "energy" as our head coach likes to say. nova bench, go wild

I'm not X&O guy either but I agree that we should be running kat in the high post as a hub like iHart did last year... at least sometimes. He is a good passer and a much better shooter than iHart. I don't get why we don't run that sht. Instead we post kat up at the 3point line. It's frustrating to watch our offense unless we get out and run which we hardly ever do cause it feels like our forced turnovers are down and are defense is bad.

I don't pretend to know if benching mikal for deuce would be better. I question if mikal can actually be a creator. He seems pretty damn reluctant to want the ball in high pressure situations against quality teams this year. So I have my doubts he would be effective in that role. I'd prefer someone with Cam Paynes mindset but with more ability in that role... someone like Jr Smith but not on yayo.

[Guano]

It’s going to be tough getting any type of scorer without sacrificing a core piece like KAT because we used up all of our assets on Mikalikina.

I'm preparing for us to just throw the bag at mikal and just run this sht back next year.

Shams and Bondy said our playoffs will determine if we gonnna get KD or not.

I love that you're serious about this. I have 0% hope we actually have a chance at kd or giannis. And if we do get kd I expect a quick and dramatic fall off cause we can't have nice things.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

It’s going to be tough getting any type of scorer without sacrificing a core piece like KAT because we used up all of our assets on Mikalikina.

I'm preparing for us to just throw the bag at mikal and just run this sht back next year.

Shams and Bondy said our playoffs will determine if we gonnna get KD or not.

KD is a classic panic move, there are ways to fix this team and turn them into a contender that don't require trading more assets than we get back.

A secondary big that can shoot threes would open things up, but the coach has to be willing to make the three the absolute priority of the sets. None of the moves we make matter if we're still 27th in the league in threes.

[thebuzzardman]

Tbh, at this point I'd settle for a bench scorer. We got nothing right now.

bench scorer should be mikal. once we traded donte we should have slid mikal to 6th man. that way his job can be to stunt on jv lineups like we know he can. starting lineup offense should be brunson>kat>anunoby with kat as the passing hub and og as the release valve. similar to last year's january squad except kat splits the ihart/randle duties and mitch handles the interior defense. mcbride can be the primary backcourt defender and 4th option with the big 3 rather than 2nd/3rd option off the bench. i'm no x's and o's guy this is just how i'd delineate the responsibilities on the roster we have to give the ball "energy" as our head coach likes to say. nova bench, go wild

I'm not X&O guy either but I agree that we should be running kat in the high post as a hub like iHart did last year... at least sometimes. He is a good passer and a much better shooter than iHart. I don't get why we don't run that sht. Instead we post kat up at the 3point line. It's frustrating to watch our offense unless we get out and run which we hardly ever do cause it feels like our forced turnovers are down and are defense is bad.

I don't pretend to know if benching mikal for deuce would be better. I question if mikal can actually be a creator. He seems pretty damn reluctant to want the ball in high pressure situations against quality teams this year. So I have my doubts he would be effective in that role. I'd prefer someone with Cam Paynes mindset but with more ability in that role... someone like Jr Smith but not on yayo.

KAT at the high post they did a lot first month

I’ll assume other coaches adjusted and either Hart wrecks it and/or Thibs ran out of ideas since he never has a counter for anything

[thebuzzardman]

I'm preparing for us to just throw the bag at mikal and just run this sht back next year.

Shams and Bondy said our playoffs will determine if we gonnna get KD or not.

KD is a classic panic move, there are ways to fix this team and turn them into a contender that don't require trading more assets than we get back.

A secondary big that can shoot threes would open things up, but the coach has to be willing to make the three the absolute priority of the sets. None of the moves we make matter if we're still 27th in the league in threes.

Is Maxi Kleiber still healthy and available? Thinking of budget options

[Guano]

bench scorer should be mikal. once we traded donte we should have slid mikal to 6th man. that way his job can be to stunt on jv lineups like we know he can. starting lineup offense should be brunson>kat>anunoby with kat as the passing hub and og as the release valve. similar to last year's january squad except kat splits the ihart/randle duties and mitch handles the interior defense. mcbride can be the primary backcourt defender and 4th option with the big 3 rather than 2nd/3rd option off the bench. i'm no x's and o's guy this is just how i'd delineate the responsibilities on the roster we have to give the ball "energy" as our head coach likes to say. nova bench, go wild

I'm not X&O guy either but I agree that we should be running kat in the high post as a hub like iHart did last year... at least sometimes. He is a good passer and a much better shooter than iHart. I don't get why we don't run that sht. Instead we post kat up at the 3point line. It's frustrating to watch our offense unless we get out and run which we hardly ever do cause it feels like our forced turnovers are down and are defense is bad.

I don't pretend to know if benching mikal for deuce would be better. I question if mikal can actually be a creator. He seems pretty damn reluctant to want the ball in high pressure situations against quality teams this year. So I have my doubts he would be effective in that role. I'd prefer someone with Cam Paynes mindset but with more ability in that role... someone like Jr Smith but not on yayo.

KAT at the high post they did a lot first month

I’ll assume other coaches adjusted and either Hart wrecks it and/or Thibs ran out of ideas since he never has a counter for anything

That prolly when jHart forgot he couldn't shoot and was hitting 3s at a respectable clip and since then his shot has abandoned him and he is now reluctant to even throw em up.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

bench scorer should be mikal. once we traded donte we should have slid mikal to 6th man. that way his job can be to stunt on jv lineups like we know he can. starting lineup offense should be brunson>kat>anunoby with kat as the passing hub and og as the release valve. similar to last year's january squad except kat splits the ihart/randle duties and mitch handles the interior defense. mcbride can be the primary backcourt defender and 4th option with the big 3 rather than 2nd/3rd option off the bench. i'm no x's and o's guy this is just how i'd delineate the responsibilities on the roster we have to give the ball "energy" as our head coach likes to say. nova bench, go wild

I'm not X&O guy either but I agree that we should be running kat in the high post as a hub like iHart did last year... at least sometimes. He is a good passer and a much better shooter than iHart. I don't get why we don't run that sht. Instead we post kat up at the 3point line. It's frustrating to watch our offense unless we get out and run which we hardly ever do cause it feels like our forced turnovers are down and are defense is bad.

I don't pretend to know if benching mikal for deuce would be better. I question if mikal can actually be a creator. He seems pretty damn reluctant to want the ball in high pressure situations against quality teams this year. So I have my doubts he would be effective in that role. I'd prefer someone with Cam Paynes mindset but with more ability in that role... someone like Jr Smith but not on yayo.

KAT at the high post they did a lot first month

I’ll assume other coaches adjusted and either Hart wrecks it and/or Thibs ran out of ideas since he never has a counter for anything

Last season we had Ihart in the high post passing, it's absolutely shocking that we don't have KAT doing the same thing but from the three point line.

[3toheadmelo]

I'm preparing for us to just throw the bag at mikal and just run this sht back next year.

Shams and Bondy said our playoffs will determine if we gonnna get KD or not.

I love that you're serious about this. I have 0% hope we actually have a chance at kd or giannis. And if we do get kd I expect a quick and dramatic fall off cause we can't have nice things.

I rather take a chance on KD than run it back with this mid team. This is the worst 50 win team I’ve experienced as a knicks fan. Last year’s team was so much better and the 2013 Knicks team is sweeping this team with ease. Do you know how fake of a team you have to be to go winless against every single contender?

[rajajackal]

Tbh, at this point I'd settle for a bench scorer. We got nothing right now.

bench scorer should be mikal. once we traded donte we should have slid mikal to 6th man. that way his job can be to stunt on jv lineups like we know he can. starting lineup offense should be brunson>kat>anunoby with kat as the passing hub and og as the release valve. similar to last year's january squad except kat splits the ihart/randle duties and mitch handles the interior defense. mcbride can be the primary backcourt defender and 4th option with the big 3 rather than 2nd/3rd option off the bench. i'm no x's and o's guy this is just how i'd delineate the responsibilities on the roster we have to give the ball "energy" as our head coach likes to say. nova bench, go wild

I'm not X&O guy either but I agree that we should be running kat in the high post as a hub like iHart did last year... at least sometimes. He is a good passer and a much better shooter than iHart. I don't get why we don't run that sht. Instead we post kat up at the 3point line. It's frustrating to watch our offense unless we get out and run which we hardly ever do cause it feels like our forced turnovers are down and are defense is bad.

I don't pretend to know if benching mikal for deuce would be better. I question if mikal can actually be a creator. He seems pretty damn reluctant to want the ball in high pressure situations against quality teams this year. So I have my doubts he would be effective in that rolet. I'd prefer someone with Cam Paynes mindset but with more ability in that role... someone like Jr Smith but not on yayo.

that's exactly why i think the bench could suit him. less pressure, lower competition. jr smith is my favorite knick of all time so obviously i agree that i'd love someone like that here now

[Ravenxvirall]

Shams and Bondy said our playoffs will determine if we gonnna get KD or not.

I love that you're serious about this. I have 0% hope we actually have a chance at kd or giannis. And if we do get kd I expect a quick and dramatic fall off cause we can't have nice things.

I rather take a chance on KD than run it back with this mid team. This is the worst 50 win team I’ve experienced as a knicks fan. Last year’s team was so much better and the 2013 Knicks team is sweeping this team with ease. Do you know how fake of a team you have to be to go winless against every single contender?

Definitely feels like we are limping into the playoffs as paper tigers. Completely different from the energy this team had last year.

[rajajackal]

bench scorer should be mikal. once we traded donte we should have slid mikal to 6th man. that way his job can be to stunt on jv lineups like we know he can. starting lineup offense should be brunson>kat>anunoby with kat as the passing hub and og as the release valve. similar to last year's january squad except kat splits the ihart/randle duties and mitch handles the interior defense. mcbride can be the primary backcourt defender and 4th option with the big 3 rather than 2nd/3rd option off the bench. i'm no x's and o's guy this is just how i'd delineate the responsibilities on the roster we have to give the ball "energy" as our head coach likes to say. nova bench, go wild

I'm not X&O guy either but I agree that we should be running kat in the high post as a hub like iHart did last year... at least sometimes. He is a good passer and a much better shooter than iHart. I don't get why we don't run that sht. Instead we post kat up at the 3point line. It's frustrating to watch our offense unless we get out and run which we hardly ever do cause it feels like our forced turnovers are down and are defense is bad.

I don't pretend to know if benching mikal for deuce would be better. I question if mikal can actually be a creator. He seems pretty damn reluctant to want the ball in high pressure situations against quality teams this year. So I have my doubts he would be effective in that role. I'd prefer someone with Cam Paynes mindset but with more ability in that role... someone like Jr Smith but not on yayo.

KAT at the high post they did a lot first month

I’ll assume other coaches adjusted and either Hart wrecks it and/or Thibs ran out of ideas since he never has a counter for anything

i think it's the former, and not because i'm adopting your anti-hart agenda hart has been trying really hard to be a glue guy and make plays for the big 3 but i think making him the secondary handler has actually disrupted the ability for our big 3 to develop chemistry or rhythm. it was a good premise to start with and i would have done the same but we should have adjusted from this a long time ago. hart is a low ego guy and would have taken the benching fine imo

[3toheadmelo]

I'm preparing for us to just throw the bag at mikal and just run this sht back next year.

Shams and Bondy said our playoffs will determine if we gonnna get KD or not.

KD is a classic panic move, there are ways to fix this team and turn them into a contender that don't require trading more assets than we get back.

A secondary big that can shoot threes would open things up, but the coach has to be willing to make the three the absolute priority of the sets. None of the moves we make matter if we're still 27th in the league in threes.

Idc if it’s a panic move, this team isn’t winning sht no matter who the coach is

We were 13th in the league in attempting 3s last year. Thibs encourages us to take 3s. Donte averaged a career high in attempts 3s last year. The issue is that hart and Mikal don’t take 3s. Thats the big
difference.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Shams and Bondy said our playoffs will determine if we gonnna get KD or not.

KD is a classic panic move, there are ways to fix this team and turn them into a contender that don't require trading more assets than we get back.

A secondary big that can shoot threes would open things up, but the coach has to be willing to make the three the absolute priority of the sets. None of the moves we make matter if we're still 27th in the league in threes.

Idc if it’s a panic move, this team isn’t winning sht no matter who the coach is

We were 13th in the league in attempting 3s last year. Thibs encourages us to take 3s. Donte averaged a career high in attempts 3s last year. The issue is that hart and Mikal don’t take 3s. Thats the big
difference.

One player cannot be your entire three point offense, we took 35.8 last year and 34.0 this year, the difference is that everyone takes more now, because last years team would be 21st in threes among the teams this year. We didn't adapt to the explosion in three point shooting that happened this year. KAT has his lowest three point attempt rate since he was 23, we replaced a non shooting center with arguably the best shooting big ever and manage to take less threes

Also, last years team was bad against .500 or better teams too. We were 21-28 vs .500 or better, this year we were 15-23 against .500 or better, how can two different rosters be bad against .500 or better? We both know the answer.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Knicks record vs .500 or better

15-23
21-28
24-25
19-35
15-21

Check for yourselves
https://www.espn.com/nba/standings/_/view/expanded

Anything other than a coaching change is a band-aid on a bullet wound.