ECF Playoff Game Thread: Pacers @ Knicks, Game 5, May 29th 8pm

[Clyde_Style]

Unless you look at it as wanting Thibs gone. Losing in 5 may help that cause.

True, but I'm not convinced Leon Rose will do that. It's more probable an offensive schemer is added to the staff and Rick Brunson slides over a seat.

could be the right answer to keep the thibslamic principles of toughness and togetherness while adding to the strategic areas of concern.

this never has to be the zero sum conversation it regularly devolves into.

Allahu Akbar!!!!

[Jeff Van Gully]

True, but I'm not convinced Leon Rose will do that. It's more probable an offensive schemer is added to the staff and Rick Brunson slides over a seat.

could be the right answer to keep the thibslamic principles of toughness and togetherness while adding to the strategic areas of concern.

this never has to be the zero sum conversation it regularly devolves into.

Allahu Akbar!!!!

i might need to get down to the mecca (of basketball). because front of the big bodega quiet af this week.

[Clyde_Style]

could be the right answer to keep the thibslamic principles of toughness and togetherness while adding to the strategic areas of concern.

this never has to be the zero sum conversation it regularly devolves into.

Allahu Akbar!!!!

i might need to get down to the mecca (of basketball). because front of the big bodega quiet af this week.

Insert Brother Jeff here

[GONYK]

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Greeny is 1000% right Folkssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[MrDollarBills]

Because it took him until game 3 of the ECF, after losing 2 games at home and down 0-2 for him to give Shamet and Wright a chance. Whereas he could have experimented the entire season with lineups and rotations, and give playing time to the rookies to develop familiarity, they played spot minutes and could never get in. He’s hasn’t a clue about bench play, and he never has. He has no clue about an offensive playbook, because “the game tells you what to do”. He has no idea about pin down screens, floppy, horns, back cuts, screen a screener. We have one action and offense, there are no multiple actions. At the end of the day, the coach is a huge, glaring problem and finally the Knick fan base has wisened up to his shtick.

They fell for it. Those substitutions were because of foul trouble, not because he found something or made adjustments, just like when bench players finally get a chance to show out because they're inserted into the rotation due to injuries.

Proof to me was these same guys that Jeff was talking about didn't get the same burn last game even though they were the only plus on the team besides Karl.

It blows my mind how players come and go in his rotations. One month they're playing every game, next thing you know they might as well have been traded. Wasn't Precious a big part of last years run..he filled in well...showed some game...and then this year he's completely gone from the rotation, didn't have any chance this year to develop further and get chemistry with the new players.....why....for the sake of his short rotation, that's all....it boggles my mind the way he runs and manages the season, dying to win every game in February like it's the playoffs.

Delon Wright is now getting minutes....well what the **** do you know. Didn't this kid get a nice run during the season, played well, and we were mad that he jumped Kolek in the rotation? And then what....disappeared. Now he needs him.

The Pacers have shown the regular season now means nothing....it's basically now a tuneup for the playoffs, to develop your team and chemistry, have structure and an identity to make a run in the playoffs.

These bull 2 and 3 seeds we achieved by playing short rotations and not developing anybody means nothing, especially considering we don't even win home games!!!

MDB- you giving this an and1 after sharing the truth is lowdown nasty work. i see you. i don't know what this poster knows, but i know you knew better.

Hahn is saying that he was told that Shamet and Wright were going to play in Game 3 but the foul situation forced his hand early.

Both guys were prepared. I tip my cap.

All we need is just defense and some ball handling help. I'm not asking for anything else.

Play KAT with Deuce. Brunson with Mitch.

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lastly, my question is not about the big thibs fight people want to have all day. it's a simple question about a simple point made. i have to read pages and pages of people saying whatever. i'm not here to tell any of you you're wrong. i really don't care about that. i'd probably post more if i did. but when folks just say ****, i'm gonna sometimes address it.

Well, my And 1 was regarding two points:

1) How Wright gave us good tape when Brunson, Cam and Deuce were out and should have never been banished to the bench after that. We could have used his defense and ball handling well before this series. Not using a serviceable player makes no sense to me on a team that is desperate for depth.

I'm of the belief that while our depth is lacking, a lot of our bench problems stem from Tom being so stubborn that he didn't want to mix other guys into the rotation all season to see who can help situationally, develop chemistry with the main guys, etc. I am not backing away from that criticism because I was screaming about it since Christmas that what Tom did was malpractice.

2) How Precious was a decent rotation player for us last year, and how he's been basically glued to the bench all year. It makes no sense. No he is not a perfect player, I think he's average at best but he hustles, can finish near the rim and occasionally might knock down a jumper. Again, for a top heavy team like ours we gotta explore every avenue possible to have as many serviceable pieces at hand as possible. Tom refused to incorporate these guys and I completely disagree with his actions.

That being said, my And 1 of said post doesn't mean that I don't believe Alan Hahn's reporting. I think they absolutely were going to bring Wright and Shamet in regardless of foul trouble because clearly running 7 men against Indiana isn't sustainable especially since we can't slow their pace down. It was a good adjustment.

[Reign23]

just win and give me a little hope

[Clyde_Style]

digging the self-awareness. i think we are all guilty of this to an extent.

and I've seen the point made that the pacers have risen to the level of physicality we bring. i agree with this statement. on one hand, precious can help with getting bodied. but on the other hand, we're winning the glass and still losing.

pacers just create a lot of problems.

i think the way they took out the cavs gives credence to the notion that we don't win these wars on paper. you have to play. cavs do all the strategic things a lot of fans on here clamor for. it didn't work. pacers find different ways to exploit defenses. they deserve a lot of credit and never should have been underestimated.

i picked knicks in 5 because i thought the knicks were super up after finishing boston off they way they did. it was in no way meant to discredit the pacers, who i have always found quite dangerous and worthy. still sucks to be down.

The post-Game 6 high was better than all the crack I've smoked, the meth I've snorted, the girls I've known biblically or the pastrami sandwiches at The Carnegie Deli I have eaten.

Alas, that high wore off quickly and with it my Knicks in 5 prediction also died a miserable death

[Context]

We not going out sad. Brunson with a 40 piece tonight.

This is how I see it. There is no way this 2025 Knick team will go out 3 in a row in the garden. They will wear Indy down to even at worst they start thinking in their mind- we'l close this out in Indy.

All they need to do is press Hali and siakim. We need their best defensive performance tonight. Just focus on TONIGHT!

[Clyde_Style]

just win and give me a little hope

DONE!!!

[Jeff Van Gully]

Allahu Akbar!!!!

i might need to get down to the mecca (of basketball). because front of the big bodega quiet af this week.

Insert Brother Jeff here

[MrDollarBills]

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I think two things are true regarding Jalen:

1) He absolutely is a superstar player that has done beyond his fair share of heavy lifting. I have zero issues there.

2) I think if we're being honest: his attention to detail defensively has been seriously lacking, and I think he needs to do a better, more conscious job of making everyone around him better. The fact that he and Karl have zero connection or chemistry offensively to the point where we're back to "my turn, your turn" offense is an area that I think needs to be cleaned up. It's been 90+ games and these guys can't even run a PnR/PnP. They should be an unstoppable combination. Why aren't they is my question.

If we want to get over this hump, and I believe as a team/organization we can, these things need to be discussed so that solutions can be figured out.

If Denver can win a title with two poor defenders at PG and C, there is way around this. But right now, i don't know the answer.

Either way, Jalen slander is garbage.

Jalen criticism is fair. We need to get better. This is apart of that process.

[Clyde_Style]

i might need to get down to the mecca (of basketball). because front of the big bodega quiet af this week.

Insert Brother Jeff here

[MrDollarBills]

i might need to get down to the mecca (of basketball). because front of the big bodega quiet af this week.

Insert Brother Jeff here

As-salamu alaykum brother lemme get 2 pies and the Egyptian scented incense if you have any left. I got this month's final horn from the other brother down the street when I was at the light.

[MrDollarBills]

On an off topic note, where I grew up in Jersey has a pretty significant Muslim population.

The brothers from my hood always treated me and the other kids kindly. Always a positive word, always looking out for us. Stuff like that you never forget, regardless of your faith and belief.

[dakomish23]

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Please check your PM bro

[MrDollarBills]

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Please check your PM bro

Ah hell my bad. I owe you and another brother an apology I get so caught up in the discussions that I never notice my DMs

[rajajackal]

I wanna see OG+Mikal double team on Hali from opening tip

Don't even want him to make it past half court

Need him to put up Ntilikina type stats

we let him bounce around on his toes the whole night. we need to make him dig into the defense to get his job done. i'm sick that we haven't worn him down at all when i bet that'd put a big dent in his performances over the course of the series

[MrDollarBills]

I wanna see OG+Mikal double team on Hali from opening tip

Don't even want him to make it past half court

Need him to put up Ntilikina type stats

we let him bounce around on his toes the whole night. we need to make him dig into the defense to get his job done. i'm sick that we haven't worn him down at all when i bet that'd put a big dent in his performances over the course of the series

Why aren't we beating the sh*t out of him is a good question

[dakomish23]

Last time we faced a 3-1 deficit

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