Tom Thibodeau fired pt 2

[mpharris36]

You’re not getting Giannis for OG and Mitch. That’s preposterous.

The only remotely logical trade is KAT for Giannis, and why...

i don't think the bucks even think about that for a second. they have no young players on the roster. no picks. lopez is a free agent. gary trent is a free agent. portis can be one. my guess is none of them are back. they need a complete rebuild and the assets to do that. kat does nothing for them. and he's not close in value if they flip him to a 3rd team. they'll get such better offers.

They have no control of there own pick until like 2032...tearing it down does them no good.

I'm not saying we are getting Gianni's I'm saying rebuilding with no picks of your own is nearly impossible. Might as well try to stay competitive to draw fans

[god shammgod]

The only remotely logical trade is KAT for Giannis, and why...

i don't think the bucks even think about that for a second. they have no young players on the roster. no picks. lopez is a free agent. gary trent is a free agent. portis can be one. my guess is none of them are back. they need a complete rebuild and the assets to do that. kat does nothing for them. and he's not close in value if they flip him to a 3rd team. they'll get such better offers.

They have no control of there own pick until like 2032...tearing it down does them no good.

I'm not saying we are getting Gianni's I'm saying rebuilding with no picks of your own is nearly impossible. Might as well try to stay competitive to draw fans

they'll want young players that they can build with

[mpharris36]

i don't think the bucks even think about that for a second. they have no young players on the roster. no picks. lopez is a free agent. gary trent is a free agent. portis can be one. my guess is none of them are back. they need a complete rebuild and the assets to do that. kat does nothing for them. and he's not close in value if they flip him to a 3rd team. they'll get such better offers.

They have no control of there own pick until like 2032...tearing it down does them no good.

I'm not saying we are getting Gianni's I'm saying rebuilding with no picks of your own is nearly impossible. Might as well try to stay competitive to draw fans

they'll want young players that they can build with

build what? being bad for the next 3-4 years and basically handing a top 10 pick to another team for the next 5 years...

If you can get an all-star you should get an all-star.

[Fury]

They have no control of there own pick until like 2032...tearing it down does them no good.

I'm not saying we are getting Gianni's I'm saying rebuilding with no picks of your own is nearly impossible. Might as well try to stay competitive to draw fans

they'll want young players that they can build with

build what? being bad for the next 3-4 years and basically handing a top 10 pick to another team for the next 5 years...

If you can get an all-star you should get an all-star.

Yeah, their issue is that any picks they get from a team with Giannis are gonna be bad picks. They’re in a tough spot.

[mpharris36]

they'll want young players that they can build with

build what? being bad for the next 3-4 years and basically handing a top 10 pick to another team for the next 5 years...

If you can get an all-star you should get an all-star.

Yeah, their issue is that any picks they get from a team with Giannis are gonna be bad picks. They’re in a tough spot.

correct bad picks and a couple young pieces that may not be much....they are in a **** situation. If I were them I would just try to win games and be competitive by getting players that can help me win.

You can't rebuild without your picks. And whatever pick(s) you would get are going to not be valuable for a long long time. Which means the GM is not even going to get rewarded for that.

In some situations it better to just tread water and try to win games.

[TheGreenArrow]

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[NoDopeOnSundays]

They have no control of there own pick until like 2032...tearing it down does them no good.

I'm not saying we are getting Gianni's I'm saying rebuilding with no picks of your own is nearly impossible. Might as well try to stay competitive to draw fans

they'll want young players that they can build with

build what? being bad for the next 3-4 years and basically handing a top 10 pick to another team for the next 5 years...

If you can get an all-star you should get an all-star.

Taking back young players and picks is always the goal for teams in the position the Bucks are in. You cannot sell a fan base on watching KAT and some bums lose 60 games a year because there's no hope there, but you can sell them on watching Reed Sheppard - Jabari Smith - Cam Whitmore, the lottery pick this year and the Suns picks, or the Spurs players + Harper + 14 + Hawks picks.


Any GM taking back a 30 year old all star for Giannis should be fired.

[mpharris36]

they'll want young players that they can build with

build what? being bad for the next 3-4 years and basically handing a top 10 pick to another team for the next 5 years...

If you can get an all-star you should get an all-star.

Taking back young players and picks is always the goal for teams in the position the Bucks are in. You cannot sell a fan base on watching KAT and some bums lose 60 games a year because there's no hope there, but you can sell them on watching Reed Sheppard - Jabari Smith - Cam Whitmore, the lottery pick this year and the Suns picks, or the Spurs players + Harper + 14 + Hawks picks.


Any GM taking back a 30 year old all star for Giannis should be fired.

a couple things...Giannis will have a say where he goes. All superstars do. MIL just can't send them wherever they want.

And where are the matching contracts you are sending. You sending them all guys that add up to like 10 MM in salaries...

also if your the GM your getting fired anyway...those packages make you a top 5 worst team in the league...and you don't even have your own pick to be in the lottery. You get fired in 2 years and then someone else becomes the GM.

They wont fire you if you make the play-in at least.

[Spot31]

Talk about taking this post out of context, you could literally mention every coach that has stunk..my point is the same, you don’t hire a first time coach if it’s championship or bust..it’s clearly the reason why Bryant has not been hired yet. With Bryant no longer in the phoenix running, if Rose wanted Bryant he’d be announced today, but as I said originally you don’t hire a first time coach after you declare this season as championship or bust..whether we agree with it or not..it’s just simple to put the pieces together

No, I understood your post. However, I respectfully think you may have misunderstood something.

Leon Rose never said the words "championship or bust," which suggests the next coach MUST win a championship next season or else. What he said was this:

“Our organization is singularly focused on winning a championship for our fans."

To me, that verbiage doesn't dictate an immediate championship, particularly since the roster is also likely to change this off-season. It only states Leon is not satisfied with moral victories and is still focused on winning it all.

Also, I don't necessarily believe that Bryant (or anyone else) hasn't been announced yet because, as you stated, "you don’t hire a first time coach if it’s championship or bust." As I said in another post, I think the front office wants to drag this on a bit to create the perception (for the public) that they did complete diligence and considered every possibility. Remember, they took a long time to name our last head coach but still picked Thibs, who was likely their choice all along.

Leon was grooming Johnnie Bryant under Thibs for a reason. I strongly believe he's still a viable option.

People in the local media have been trying to spin Leon's words since the firing, so I'm not shocked that fans now think that he said we have to win a championship next year or else.

So when are the Knicks supposed to win a championship according to Leon? If we don't make it back to at least the conference finals with this new head coach, will the season be seen as a failure or does does Leon and that clown William Wesley get fired?

[NoDopeOnSundays]

build what? being bad for the next 3-4 years and basically handing a top 10 pick to another team for the next 5 years...

If you can get an all-star you should get an all-star.

Taking back young players and picks is always the goal for teams in the position the Bucks are in. You cannot sell a fan base on watching KAT and some bums lose 60 games a year because there's no hope there, but you can sell them on watching Reed Sheppard - Jabari Smith - Cam Whitmore, the lottery pick this year and the Suns picks, or the Spurs players + Harper + 14 + Hawks picks.


Any GM taking back a 30 year old all star for Giannis should be fired.

a couple things...Giannis will have a say where he goes. All superstars do. MIL just can't send them wherever they want.

And where are the matching contracts you are sending. You sending them all guys that add up to like 10 MM in salaries...

also if your the GM your getting fired anyway...those packages make you a top 5 worst team in the league...and you don't even have your own pick to be in the lottery. You get fired in 2 years and then someone else becomes the GM.

They wont fire you if you make the play-in at least.

The GMs job is to do what's best for the franchise, and this idea Giannis can just dictate where he wants to go doesn't work because he's under contract for 3 more years. KD has a say in where he goes because he's a free agent at the end of the season, they can send Giannis to whoever offers them the best chance at a future. We do not have anything they can build on, nothing at all. If the Rockets decide to offer up Sengun and picks, why would any sane GM accept our offer over theirs?


You cannot sell a fanbase on a 30 yr old all-star when their roster is completely depleted, there's no hope or promise to look forward to. The Bucks will get back picks and young players for him if they move him.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

Taking back young players and picks is always the goal for teams in the position the Bucks are in. You cannot sell a fan base on watching KAT and some bums lose 60 games a year because there's no hope there, but you can sell them on watching Reed Sheppard - Jabari Smith - Cam Whitmore, the lottery pick this year and the Suns picks, or the Spurs players + Harper + 14 + Hawks picks.


Any GM taking back a 30 year old all star for Giannis should be fired.

a couple things...Giannis will have a say where he goes. All superstars do. MIL just can't send them wherever they want.

And where are the matching contracts you are sending. You sending them all guys that add up to like 10 MM in salaries...

also if your the GM your getting fired anyway...those packages make you a top 5 worst team in the league...and you don't even have your own pick to be in the lottery. You get fired in 2 years and then someone else becomes the GM.

They wont fire you if you make the play-in at least.

The GMs job is to do what's best for the franchise, and this idea Giannis can just dictate where he wants to go doesn't work because he's under contract for 3 more years. KD has a say in where he goes because he's a free agent at the end of the season, they can send Giannis to whoever offers them the best chance at a future. We do not have anything they can build on, nothing at all. If the Rockets decide to offer up Sengun and picks, why would any sane GM accept our offer over theirs?


You cannot sell a fanbase on a 30 yr old all-star when their roster is completely depleted, there's no hope or promise to look forward to. The Bucks will get back picks and young players for him if they move him.

The Knicks don't have the resources in draft assets, or young talent to offer the Bucks, it's not going happen.

[Knick4Real]

they'll want young players that they can build with

build what? being bad for the next 3-4 years and basically handing a top 10 pick to another team for the next 5 years...

If you can get an all-star you should get an all-star.

Taking back young players and picks is always the goal for teams in the position the Bucks are in. You cannot sell a fan base on watching KAT and some bums lose 60 games a year because there's no hope there, but you can sell them on watching Reed Sheppard - Jabari Smith - Cam Whitmore, the lottery pick this year and the Suns picks, or the Spurs players + Harper + 14 + Hawks picks.


Any GM taking back a 30 year old all star for Giannis should be fired.

Remember, it's still a profitable business. If Giannis leaves, the Bucks still need to sell tickets and give the fans something to see. I can see them going the route of bringing in someone like KAT (for tickets) while still conducting a rebuild. Otherwise, their income stream would collapse.

[Knick4Real]

No, I understood your post. However, I respectfully think you may have misunderstood something.

Leon Rose never said the words "championship or bust," which suggests the next coach MUST win a championship next season or else. What he said was this:



To me, that verbiage doesn't dictate an immediate championship, particularly since the roster is also likely to change this off-season. It only states Leon is not satisfied with moral victories and is still focused on winning it all.

Also, I don't necessarily believe that Bryant (or anyone else) hasn't been announced yet because, as you stated, "you don’t hire a first time coach if it’s championship or bust." As I said in another post, I think the front office wants to drag this on a bit to create the perception (for the public) that they did complete diligence and considered every possibility. Remember, they took a long time to name our last head coach but still picked Thibs, who was likely their choice all along.

Leon was grooming Johnnie Bryant under Thibs for a reason. I strongly believe he's still a viable option.

People in the local media have been trying to spin Leon's words since the firing, so I'm not shocked that fans now think that he said we have to win a championship next year or else.

So when are the Knicks supposed to win a championship according to Leon? If we don't make it back to at least the conference finals with this new head coach, will the season be seen as a failure or does does Leon and that clown William Wesley get fired?

I'm sure the goal for this front office and for ANY coach they bring in is to win a championship ASAP. We have a young core in their prime and the East is wide open. However, it's unrealistic to mandate an immediate championship from anyone, especially a new coach attempting to install a new system on our existing team and whoever else we bring in during the off-season.

In other words, whoever we hire won't be on the hot seat right away, but will likely be expected to at least go deep into the playoffs.

[stuporman]

So how many teams are hiring a coach right now? Are the Knicks the only one? I can't think of another after the Suns just hired theirs.

If the Knicks are the only one they really don't need to rush I suppose, I still don't know if I think they had a verbal agreement with anyone before the fired Thibs.

It might be they want Kidd and if he can't be gotten for reasonable compensation to the Mavs then it's going to be Bryant. This is just my speculation, though.

Would Bryant be ok with knowing he's waiting to see if another guy can be gotten before he's offered the job or does he need to know he's number one candidate?

Is he actually waiting to find the best position he can and not just jump at the first job offered if it means a terrible situation? He could be fine with staying in Cleveland if he doesn't get a quality job.

Do you think the league might have contacted the Knicks FO and gave them some time table they'd prefer to avoid detracting from the finals whatever that may be? I dunno...hmm

So many different things I wonder about this that I have no clarity on but I'm sure there's some media muppet or fan who will tell me they know the truth either now or later even though they don't really, it's just their opinion.

[Polk377]

this is the coaching breakdown video i was waiting for. me undies.

Watch on YouTube

This is it in a nutshell. Roster and possession management.

[Pr0nzingis]

build what? being bad for the next 3-4 years and basically handing a top 10 pick to another team for the next 5 years...

If you can get an all-star you should get an all-star.

Taking back young players and picks is always the goal for teams in the position the Bucks are in. You cannot sell a fan base on watching KAT and some bums lose 60 games a year because there's no hope there, but you can sell them on watching Reed Sheppard - Jabari Smith - Cam Whitmore, the lottery pick this year and the Suns picks, or the Spurs players + Harper + 14 + Hawks picks.


Any GM taking back a 30 year old all star for Giannis should be fired.

Remember, it's still a profitable business. If Giannis leaves, the Bucks still need to sell tickets and give the fans something to see. I can see them going the route of bringing in someone like KAT (for tickets) while still conducting a rebuild. Otherwise, their income stream would collapse.

I doubt with Tatum injury and Pacers going to the final, Bucks trade giannis, maybe next year if bucks fail again.

[Context]

this is the coaching breakdown video i was waiting for. me undies.

Watch on YouTube

Good stuff btw JVG!

[god shammgod]

they'll want young players that they can build with

build what? being bad for the next 3-4 years and basically handing a top 10 pick to another team for the next 5 years...

If you can get an all-star you should get an all-star.

Taking back young players and picks is always the goal for teams in the position the Bucks are in. You cannot sell a fan base on watching KAT and some bums lose 60 games a year because there's no hope there, but you can sell them on watching Reed Sheppard - Jabari Smith - Cam Whitmore, the lottery pick this year and the Suns picks, or the Spurs players + Harper + 14 + Hawks picks.


Any GM taking back a 30 year old all star for Giannis should be fired.

it's not even a fair deal to begin with. it's actually worse value than what the lakers gave up for luka.

[Synciere]

Who are we rooting for this Finals?

[knicks1999]

Imagine if the Knicks did get Kidd from Dallas…and they make the finals….or even better….a championship….they would have worked the Mavericks every time they picked up the phone….LOL