Build a Team 17.0 Discussion Thread #3 (NBA Champion will be announced Thursday 7PM)

[magnumt]

Knicks Select

--Mags

[ibraheim718]

Granted I'm not in a lot of BAT's, but the one's that I've been in...
- Building that youth team might be fun, but it's essentially useless in this competition. Never understood why people do this.
- Taking stats player X is doing as a fourth option and expecting them to do that as a number two option.
- Using Per36 numbers and expecting that player whose averaging 20 minutes a game to do that as a full time starter.

Always seem to be the similar problems... then again some just get to damn emotional.

you nailed all 3 important parts that some overlook, especially the first one. i just don't get it either. what's the point of taking all young guys and saying you have a good franchise - you probably don't.


and the second point is important also. look at the cousins trade. to expect he and davis to have the SAME exact production with their stats is stupid. both will most likely have their numbers decline because of the other; not a bad thing, it may produce more wins. melo is averaging 23 ppg. you put him on the clippers right now, he's not going to average the same. same skill set, but you can't assume he'll put up the same production.

I never got around to doing a eastern conference power rankings, but you have one of the best teams in the east. Very balanced, clear cut roles, star(s), great passers/defenders and overall a high IQ team.

See that's what I thought.. but apparently I ain't fit to be a judge and I don't watch any basketball.


I'm going to start tagging my posts with a different hard ass every post. Maybe the guy will take me serious and pay attention to what I'm saying.

[IllmaticHandler]

What I'm saying there is I don't like watching Cousins play so I don't. You paying attention?

man save it. The point is that your not watching games to accurately judge any of these players. Im using cousins as an example of this point he aint the only player. Since that is the point, how you can judge ANY of the players you not watching. Lin aint winning **** his damn self, but since you LIKE him, he would be more favorable to you. THATS BIAS. You basically popping **** calling people names cause YOU ARE A LAZY Judge. Calling cats rotations garbage etc. You was better off keeping your mouth shut. Why shouldn't GM's be tight that you not reading Pimps. **** if Judges was not reading Pimps I doubt Mecca makes the playoffs last BAT. Its OBVIOUS that pimps HELP Judges to understand what the vision is. But I guess your wizardry with out watching the games is unmatched. The question aint if I am paying attention. THE STATEMENT IS THAT YOU NOT WATCHING. I have watched your posts and you have a CLEAR bias against certain players. Judging should be free from that, and its obvious you not free from it.

ayo, last BAT I barely wrote 100 words. This was my writeup

New York Knicks

PG - Kyrie Irving - Shelvin Mack - Tyler Ulis
SG - Marcus Smart - Trey Burke - Dante Exum - Jodie Meeks
SF - Luc Mbah a Moute - Al Farouq Aminu - Jodie Meeks
PF - Al Farouq Aminu - Mike Scott - Kevon Looney
C - Marc Gasol - Dwayne Dedmon - Noah Vonleh


Coming into this BAT, I wanted to build a team New York would have pride in. I wanted defensive intensity complimented with just a bit of swagger. My final product speaks for that, as Kyrie and Marc Gasol are a formidable duo.

My team design is 2001 Sixers mixed with 21st century Grizzlies. We're gritty, grimy, dirty at the 2-5. Smart, Aminu, Mbah, and Gasol all are elite defenders at the 2-5. On offense, I always felt like Kyrie is the closest thing to AI, and I wanted to put him in a position where he can reach his potential as an offensive talent in full Westbrook mode.

With Gasol's 41% from 3 season, a lot of pick and pop/PnR's are designed for a 2 man game as well as having one of the singular best iso players in the NBA. It's grit and Kyrie, essentially. A team that plays this much defense will always make it to the playoffs.

I did not say you wrote a novel, but even you admitted that the Judges saw your VISION with it. That would not have happened with out them acknowledging your pimp. Everyone basically had you out of the playoffs who did not read it. I think at minimum it should be read out of respect. Especially if its short and to the point.

[Smash3]

So, some REALLY great TNT night matchups this first Round:

- KD vs Westbrook
- Lebron vs the rest of the banana boat
- Me vs Mecca
- Mavs matchup
- Nuggets vs Grizzlies (I think MP's lack of help outside of Curry will hurt him)

On a side note: REALLY, REALLY surprised the Suns didn't make it.

--Mags

Can we get some predictions?

[Knicksfan1992]

Thanks for the support on my team guys. Either way I like my personnel and I see the vision with my team. Knickstape gave me a solid response on why I didn't make it and I'm cool with it and always respect his opinion on hoops. I like my team and that's all that matters in this hypothetical world anyway.

[Mecca]

man save it. The point is that your not watching games to accurately judge any of these players. Im using cousins as an example of this point he aint the only player. Since that is the point, how you can judge ANY of the players you not watching. Lin aint winning **** his damn self, but since you LIKE him, he would be more favorable to you. THATS BIAS. You basically popping **** calling people names cause YOU ARE A LAZY Judge. Calling cats rotations garbage etc. You was better off keeping your mouth shut. Why shouldn't GM's be tight that you not reading Pimps. **** if Judges was not reading Pimps I doubt Mecca makes the playoffs last BAT. Its OBVIOUS that pimps HELP Judges to understand what the vision is. But I guess your wizardry with out watching the games is unmatched. The question aint if I am paying attention. THE STATEMENT IS THAT YOU NOT WATCHING. I have watched your posts and you have a CLEAR bias against certain players. Judging should be free from that, and its obvious you not free from it.

ayo, last BAT I barely wrote 100 words. This was my writeup

New York Knicks

PG - Kyrie Irving - Shelvin Mack - Tyler Ulis
SG - Marcus Smart - Trey Burke - Dante Exum - Jodie Meeks
SF - Luc Mbah a Moute - Al Farouq Aminu - Jodie Meeks
PF - Al Farouq Aminu - Mike Scott - Kevon Looney
C - Marc Gasol - Dwayne Dedmon - Noah Vonleh


Coming into this BAT, I wanted to build a team New York would have pride in. I wanted defensive intensity complimented with just a bit of swagger. My final product speaks for that, as Kyrie and Marc Gasol are a formidable duo.

My team design is 2001 Sixers mixed with 21st century Grizzlies. We're gritty, grimy, dirty at the 2-5. Smart, Aminu, Mbah, and Gasol all are elite defenders at the 2-5. On offense, I always felt like Kyrie is the closest thing to AI, and I wanted to put him in a position where he can reach his potential as an offensive talent in full Westbrook mode.

With Gasol's 41% from 3 season, a lot of pick and pop/PnR's are designed for a 2 man game as well as having one of the singular best iso players in the NBA. It's grit and Kyrie, essentially. A team that plays this much defense will always make it to the playoffs.

I did not say you wrote a novel, but even you admitted that the Judges saw your VISION with it. That would not have happened with out them acknowledging your pimp. Everyone basically had you out of the playoffs who did not read it. I think at minimum it should be read out of respect. Especially if its short and to the point.

Word, I def agree vision is important. It's almost half the battle. Talent is nothing if your vision doesn't compliment the players skill sets.

[magnumt]

So, some REALLY great TNT night matchups this first Round:

- KD vs Westbrook
- Lebron vs the rest of the banana boat
- Me vs Mecca
- Mavs matchup
- Nuggets vs Grizzlies (I think MP's lack of help outside of Curry will hurt him)

On a side note: REALLY, REALLY surprised the Suns didn't make it.

--Mags

Can we get some predictions?

Tomorrow. I'll do some predictions and my top 8 rankings in each conference.

--Mags

[br7knicks]

when is the next round of judging/playoffs?

[Slicin N Dicin]

still curious for a basketball reason as to why our team didn't make the playoffs - all i got was "untraditional depth chart"

[NYKnicksTAPE]

still curious for a basketball reason as to why our team didn't make the playoffs - all i got was "untraditional depth chart"

I haven't checked to see who made the playoffs instead of u, but I honestly don't think that your team was so talented that it should've been a lock for the playoffs

[ibraheim718]

still curious for a basketball reason as to why our team didn't make the playoffs - all i got was "untraditional depth chart"

Ask the other judges..

[bringbackhoffa]

still curious for a basketball reason as to why our team didn't make the playoffs - all i got was "untraditional depth chart"

Me and you both..just saying derrick rose isn't good enough. Built a solid 2 way team with depth. Dirk as a sixth man as well

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[br7knicks]

still curious for a basketball reason as to why our team didn't make the playoffs - all i got was "untraditional depth chart"

outside of giannis, you don't have a scoring option, anywhere, or at any position. plus, he hasn't proven that he can take on an entire scoring load on his own and produce wins (i like him and hope he does one day - for the knicks).

your only true starters/players worth minutes are beverley (barely, only when he's the 4/5th option on offense), barton (young and untested, barely a starter), giannis (top 10 player in the NBA, in my opinion because of his versatility and defense), and crowder (amazing defender).

as a guy who loves defense, i'd like to say that your team has a chance, because defense wins. but you need someone who can score outside of giannis. you do not.


but that's my guess. i would've had your team towards the bottom as well. don't understand the direction.

[3toheadmelo]

still curious for a basketball reason as to why our team didn't make the playoffs - all i got was "untraditional depth chart"

Me and you both..just saying derrick rose isn't good enough. Built a solid 2 way team with depth. Dirk as a sixth man as well

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i believe it's cause you don't have a true first option. rose aint that guy anymore, you can't rely on bradley and porzingis to be the #1 option either. but having derrick rose really hurts you imo. he plays no defense, barely passes the ball, only looks for his own shots. im just being honest, don't take it personal

[Manhattan Project]

- Nuggets vs Grizzlies (I think MP's lack of help outside of Curry will hurt him)

--Mags

The Nuggets are a team.

Your ten man rotation = 108.2
My ten man rotation = 109.8

[br7knicks]

and oquinn. i like him, a lot. but on the magic/knicks, he hasn't proven enough to solidify himself. wish he did though

[Slicin N Dicin]

still curious for a basketball reason as to why our team didn't make the playoffs - all i got was "untraditional depth chart"

outside of giannis, you don't have a scoring option, anywhere, or at any position. plus, he hasn't proven that he can take on an entire scoring load on his own and produce wins (i like him and hope he does one day - for the knicks).

your only true starters/players worth minutes are beverley (barely, only when he's the 4/5th option on offense), barton (young and untested, barely a starter), giannis (top 10 player in the NBA, in my opinion because of his versatility and defense), and crowder (amazing defender).

as a guy who loves defense, i'd like to say that your team has a chance, because defense wins. but you need someone who can score outside of giannis. you do not.


but that's my guess. i would've had your team towards the bottom as well. don't understand the direction.

direction was elite defense and surround giannis with multiple 38%+ 3pt shooters (crowder,bev,barton,ennis,arthur) Let him be a creator who can get his also. The 2nd option would've been an issue in the playoffs imo.

bebe and o'quinn provide rim protection down low and both + mejri crash the boards.

but hey, appreciate the actual basketball related feedback.

[3toheadmelo]

still curious for a basketball reason as to why our team didn't make the playoffs - all i got was "untraditional depth chart"

it is a little confusing to see what you're trying to do with that depth chart. what's your rotations? i'll try to give some criticsm based off that

[Mecca]

still curious for a basketball reason as to why our team didn't make the playoffs - all i got was "untraditional depth chart"

outside of giannis, you don't have a scoring option, anywhere, or at any position. plus, he hasn't proven that he can take on an entire scoring load on his own and produce wins (i like him and hope he does one day - for the knicks).

your only true starters/players worth minutes are beverley (barely, only when he's the 4/5th option on offense), barton (young and untested, barely a starter), giannis (top 10 player in the NBA, in my opinion because of his versatility and defense), and crowder (amazing defender).

as a guy who loves defense, i'd like to say that your team has a chance, because defense wins. but you need someone who can score outside of giannis. you do not.


but that's my guess. i would've had your team towards the bottom as well. don't understand the direction.

direction was elite defense and surround giannis with multiple 38%+ 3pt shooters (crowder,bev,barton,ennis,arthur) Let him be a creator who can get his also. The 2nd option would've been an issue in the playoffs imo.

bebe and o'quinn provide rim protection down low and both + mejri crash the boards.

but hey, appreciate the actual basketball related feedback.

The thing is... Giannis is at his best when he's thinking playmaking first. Your offense forces him to be a 25 PPG scorer and lead the team in playmaking. The smarter move would've been to draft George Hill with that 2nd rounder and LaVine or EG with that 3rd. Gives you the same identity, except with much better scoring and defined roles.

Hill
Courtney Lee
Crowder
Giannis
Ro Lopez

was possible with your 1st 5 picks

[br7knicks]

still curious for a basketball reason as to why our team didn't make the playoffs - all i got was "untraditional depth chart"

outside of giannis, you don't have a scoring option, anywhere, or at any position. plus, he hasn't proven that he can take on an entire scoring load on his own and produce wins (i like him and hope he does one day - for the knicks).

your only true starters/players worth minutes are beverley (barely, only when he's the 4/5th option on offense), barton (young and untested, barely a starter), giannis (top 10 player in the NBA, in my opinion because of his versatility and defense), and crowder (amazing defender).

as a guy who loves defense, i'd like to say that your team has a chance, because defense wins. but you need someone who can score outside of giannis. you do not.


but that's my guess. i would've had your team towards the bottom as well. don't understand the direction.

direction was elite defense and surround giannis with multiple 38%+ 3pt shooters (crowder,bev,barton,ennis,arthur) Let him be a creator who can get his also. The 2nd option would've been an issue in the playoffs imo.

bebe and o'quinn provide rim protection down low and both + mejri crash the boards.

but hey, appreciate the actual basketball related feedback.

i get that, because giannis needs shooters because that is the only area where he is weak - in my opinion, for a guy who hasn't been around that long. i think you are one go-to scorer away from a good/playoff team. i would look for a low-post scorer, as giannis is not a back-to-the-basket kind of guy. you'd want an inside outside game.

but honestly, outside of giannis, there's nothing. think of this: what happens when he goes to the bench, or gets into foul trouble, an injury? take him off that team, and d-league teams compete against them.

had you gone young, i would've understood it. i do think that giannis + barton is a nice, young duo, though.