*Felton traded to the Knicks. Knicks not matching Lin?

[Brownsville's Finest]

I love that people are ripping Felton. The guy was great in NY and played very well with Amare. He averaged 17 and 9 with 3 TO in 54 games. Yes it was in Dantonis system but so was Lin's numbers. Lin 18 and 8, with 5 TO as a starter. Felton also played wasnt the primary option like Lin was when Melo and Amare were hurt. Id like to keep lin but he isnt this irreplacable player.

guess im not the only crazy guy on here I remember how heartbroken guys were when we traded felt 2 lol how quickly things change

[god shammgod]

Well, that's only 1 more than you "need".

And I can easily see a scenario where the Knicks are loading up on ball handlers/distributors and envisioning Lin, Kidd and Felton to a degree being interchangeable at the 1-2.

I've always believed the classic definition of the 1 - 5 positions is overrated.

More over, I'm perfectly comfortable not knowing what's going to to happen and why, and NOT drawing conclusions based on what I DON'T know.

are you going to go into another long rant on this subject again ?

[Red Vines]

Knicks said they would definitely match Lin and match any offer in order to dissuade other teams from wasting their time making an offer, especially a big offer. It worked until Lin and the Rockets renegotiated, that changed things.

Guaranteeing you will match encourages what just happened, not discourages it.

No, if you tell Houston that there's a chance you won't match, they will make the biggest offer possible.

[NBA Fan 1234]

I just don't think he's comfortable with Lin running the show tbh. He put up great stats with Lin yea, but he's a superstar, he should be with any player. I think Felton and now Kidd will help his game more and make it easier for him. More give to to Melo for Iso's and post ups, where Lin doesn't want to do that and wants to get in the lane off a P and R and pitch it out or drive. Carmelo is more then a jump shooter.

JR hogs the ball and shoots way more than Lin. Yet Melo and Woodson love him because he's Melo's former teammate. This cannot be pure bball decision.

JR "hogged" the ball when he was the only option on offense. He "chucked" when he got the ball with under 5 seconds left on the shot clock (which happened A LOT). Was he perfect? No. But he was another option on offense and was a very good man defender (bad off ball, though).

[suicidedeuce]

Woodson made those comments before Houston changed their offer. Lin tipped off Houston and they changed the offer sheet terms.

Lin "tipped off" Houston.

I read Woodson's comments on ESPN.com.

Are you suggest they don't have the internet in Houston?

[PDXKnight]

Is Stephen A. speculating or this is coming from a source?

He just stated it like it was a matter of fact, like he knows for sure--financial reasons (not worth the money) the main reason. He did say that Yao is working behind the scenes with Houston and got Houston to raise their offer.

I'm not sure I'd take Stephen A Smith's word as de facto.

[Bill Bradley]

I was very happy to lose Felton in that deal. The guy was breaking down and only passed to Amare or took the shot. I also have no respect for players that can't stay in shape. I have read that he has a drinking problem as well- probably why Dolan has taking a liking to him.

[Woodsanity]

Been a fan for a while, have put up with a lot but this?! This would be pretty tough to bear even for me. i would take a long long break from Knicks if this were to happen.

I'm not gonna take a break, but it's going to be harder, I think, to be a fan.

If Lin ends up being a star in Houston I might consider switching to the Nets. I have been a fan for 10 years and I have seen nothing but absolute mediocrity and stupidity from this franchise. We made the playoffs 3 times to get swept the first two times and 4-1 the third time....

[K_ick_God]

Knicks said they would definitely match Lin and match any offer in order to dissuade other teams from wasting their time making an offer, especially a big offer. It worked until Lin and the Rockets renegotiated, that changed things.

Guaranteeing you will match encourages what just happened, not discourages it.

No, if you tell Houston that there's a chance you won't match, they will make the biggest offer possible.

You're wrong here. Do you know that if the Knicks and Bulls both let these offer sheets go, the Rockets would be severely hampered in their ability to get Dwight?

[god shammgod]

I was very happy to lose Felton in that deal. The guy was breaking down and only passed to Amare or took the shot. I also have no respect for players that can't stay in shape. I have read that he has a drinking problem as well- probably why Dolan has taking a liking to him.

that was duhon

[NBA Fan 1234]

Been a fan for a while, have put up with a lot but this?! This would be pretty tough to bear even for me. i would take a long long break from Knicks if this were to happen.

I'm not gonna take a break, but it's going to be harder, I think, to be a fan.

If Lin ends up being a star in Houston I might consider switching to the Nets. I have been a fan for 10 years and I have seen nothing but absolute mediocrity and stupidity from this franchise. We made the playoffs 3 times to get swept the first two times and 4-1 the third time....

To each his own. I'm never going to stop rooting for the Knicks...but this would really piss me off if we don't re-sign him (ftr, I think we still do).

[adrenaLINe]

wow 35 thousand hits in 12 hours on this thread

[Brownsville's Finest]

Been a fan for a while, have put up with a lot but this?! This would be pretty tough to bear even for me. i would take a long long break from Knicks if this were to happen.

I'm not gonna take a break, but it's going to be harder, I think, to be a fan.

If Lin ends up being a star in Houston I might consider switching to the Nets. I have been a fan for 10 years and I have seen nothing but absolute mediocrity and stupidity from this franchise. We made the playoffs 3 times to get swept the first two times and 4-1 the third time....

bye bye

[Bill Bradley]

Woodson made those comments before Houston changed their offer. Lin tipped off Houston and they changed the offer sheet terms.

Lin "tipped off" Houston.

I read Woodson's comments on ESPN.com.

Are you suggest they don't have the internet in Houston?

I get really annoyed when I read that "tipped off" language. It sounds like spin coming from the Knicks' front office. If we intended to match Lin, we should have just matched him when the time came. There was no need to notify him and his agent. It doesn't surprise me that his agent (I'm assuming) would then tell the Rockets that they would need to up their offer to have a shot at him. We know with Landry from his tweets that he didn't know if he'd be matched or not. We should have done the same thing with Lin. I assume that is standard operating procedure.

[suicidedeuce]

are you going to go into another long rant on this subject again ?

if I did, it's be my first.

I THINK the Knicks will match. I'm not going to declare they are.

One way or another, there will be dozens of posters who made declarative statements about what will happen and will be dead wrong.

Are you going to go on another long rant on the virtues of this again?

There - 5 sentences in 30 seconds. Does that qualify as long, and/or a rant?

[Red Vines]

You're wrong here. Do you know that if the Knicks and Bulls both let these offer sheets go, the Rockets would be severely hampered in their ability to get Dwight?

If you wanted to get Houston's best offer for Lin would you tell them that you'll match anything and they don't have a chance or would you tell them that you're willing to let Lin walk if their offer is high enough? Once you admit there is a price you won't match, they are going to make their highest possible offer.

[god shammgod]

even if lin never becomes a star based on ability, you can't teach guts or smarts and he has both in spades. you just feel confident he can make something happen when you need to it happen. those guys are rarer then people realize.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

Grunwald better make a statement on Monday, one way or the other. Can't wait to see MSG stock plummet once the market opens.

[Blueberry]

Lin is currently working out in the Bay Area with his longtime trainer, Brandynn Williams, on everything from dribbling to pick-and-roll maneuvering. He said he's trying to help Lin be more efficient making plays, in order to cut down on his high turnover rate from last season in his first-time starter role.

Williams thinks the Knicks will match because they'll recognize "he's legit and want him back."

"He looks really good and he's working hard," Williams told ESPN New York. "All he does is work out and work out some more. He will have a better year this year. He will always be successful because he lives in the gym.

"The world has not seen anything yet."

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/22082/jeffries-i-never-thought-theyd-let-lin-go

[god shammgod]

are you going to go into another long rant on this subject again ?

if I did, it's be my first.

I THINK the Knicks will match. I'm not going to declare they are.

One way or another, there will be dozens of posters who made declarative statements about what will happen and will be dead wrong.

Are you going to go on another long rant on the virtues of this again?

There - 5 sentences in 30 seconds. Does that qualify as long, and/or a rant?

well we all can't be as smart as you duece, like you keep telling us.