Build a Team 17.0 Discussion Thread #3 (NBA Champion will be announced Thursday 7PM)

[Slicin N Dicin]

Little guy we're going back and forth because you won't drop it. Just because you don't quote me doesn't mean I'm not going to read you going all Charlie Brown on me. Don't be depressed.. it's only the BAT.

And what you're saying in the bold is like cooking two dishes of meatloaf to two different people.. both of the meatloafs look like schit.. one guy takes a bite and goes into detail why it taste like schit and the other guy just tells you straight up I knew when I saw it that it was going to taste like schit so I didn't want a bite. So you get made at the guy who didn't want a bite because he knew by the looks of your meatloaf that it was going to taste like schit.. and guess what it did taste like schit because the guy that tasted it said the same thing.

Little guy..lmao

it's clear you can't provide any basketball insight..just your stupid ass food analogies. I was done with you, interacting with others who actually provided insight....but then you made your comment w/o quoting me, thinking I won't see or anything. I'll quote you direct so you see it.

what i'm seeing is a judge who opened himself up saying he'll provide feedback to why he judged the way he did..and when asked...either gives **** answers or avoids them all saying "there's other judges"...still haven't said anything of value in this thread to anyone..not just me.

please come back with another stupid ass story about food - seems to be the only thing you can actually go into detail about. I say pasta next.

Nah that's not what happened. I gave you the problem I had and you got defensive and you shut down. You didn't ask for further critique you didn't ask me any questions you just tried to attack my first bit of feedback. I told another poster your center rotation was garbage. You can't really go big if you need to with that squad. What power forward? Your reasoning is your team is "positionless" I'm trying to understand how that helps you shut down a Blake Griffin let's say. You never were clear if you were going to start Giannis at the 1 and if you were going to play Bev off him at the 2. I don't even know who your starting 2 guard is... oh right positionless basketball. I'm sure the other judges at that schit up. Not me.. I saw right through your cuteness. And even saying all that.. another judge had to have had you out of the playoffs also because I didn't even rank you that low.. not low enough to keep you out of the playoffs by myself.

why ask for further critique when I asked you for critique and you came up with that weak ass answer originally? You're the one that got defensive when other posters gave me actual feedback and i thanked them for giving me some insight..so you're the one who took **** personally and got touchy, thinking it was a passive aggressive shot at you when i already settled **** with you. You told another poster about our center rotation but couldn't tell me when i asked for a critique. Barton is the starting 2. but hey look - you finally came up w/ some type of actual analysis and thought - holy **** you do have it in you.

[ibraheim718]

Little guy..lmao

it's clear you can't provide any basketball insight..just your stupid ass food analogies. I was done with you, interacting with others who actually provided insight....but then you made your comment w/o quoting me, thinking I won't see or anything. I'll quote you direct so you see it.

what i'm seeing is a judge who opened himself up saying he'll provide feedback to why he judged the way he did..and when asked...either gives **** answers or avoids them all saying "there's other judges"...still haven't said anything of value in this thread to anyone..not just me.

please come back with another stupid ass story about food - seems to be the only thing you can actually go into detail about. I say pasta next.

Nah that's not what happened. I gave you the problem I had and you got defensive and you shut down. You didn't ask for further critique you didn't ask me any questions you just tried to attack my first bit of feedback. I told another poster your center rotation was garbage. You can't really go big if you need to with that squad. What power forward? Your reasoning is your team is "positionless" I'm trying to understand how that helps you shut down a Blake Griffin let's say. You never were clear if you were going to start Giannis at the 1 and if you were going to play Bev off him at the 2. I don't even know who your starting 2 guard is... oh right positionless basketball. I'm sure the other judges at that schit up. Not me.. I saw right through your cuteness. And even saying all that.. another judge had to have had you out of the playoffs also because I didn't even rank you that low.. not low enough to keep you out of the playoffs by myself.

why ask for further critique when I asked you for critique and you came up with that weak ass answer originally? You're the one that got defensive when other posters gave me actual feedback and i thanked them for giving me some insight..so you're the one who took **** personally and got touchy, thinking it was a passive aggressive shot at you when i already settled **** with you. You told another poster about our center rotation but couldn't tell me when i asked for a critique. Barton is the starting 2. but hey look - you finally came up w/ some type of actual analysis and thought - holy **** you do have it in you.

Friend I come back on here hours later and your still on here complaining. Who's the one that got their feeling hurt, huh?

[Slicin N Dicin]

Nah that's not what happened. I gave you the problem I had and you got defensive and you shut down. You didn't ask for further critique you didn't ask me any questions you just tried to attack my first bit of feedback. I told another poster your center rotation was garbage. You can't really go big if you need to with that squad. What power forward? Your reasoning is your team is "positionless" I'm trying to understand how that helps you shut down a Blake Griffin let's say. You never were clear if you were going to start Giannis at the 1 and if you were going to play Bev off him at the 2. I don't even know who your starting 2 guard is... oh right positionless basketball. I'm sure the other judges at that schit up. Not me.. I saw right through your cuteness. And even saying all that.. another judge had to have had you out of the playoffs also because I didn't even rank you that low.. not low enough to keep you out of the playoffs by myself.

why ask for further critique when I asked you for critique and you came up with that weak ass answer originally? You're the one that got defensive when other posters gave me actual feedback and i thanked them for giving me some insight..so you're the one who took **** personally and got touchy, thinking it was a passive aggressive shot at you when i already settled **** with you. You told another poster about our center rotation but couldn't tell me when i asked for a critique. Barton is the starting 2. but hey look - you finally came up w/ some type of actual analysis and thought - holy **** you do have it in you.

Friend I come back on here hours later and your still on here complaining. Who's the one that got their feeling hurt, huh?

Buddy, I was talking to other people having a discussion about my team and not mentioning you. I admittedly mentioned I was salty about it - and told people it's mostly due to being my first Bat. again you are the one that got butthurt with your passive aggressive comment because I thanked people for taking the time to give me actual feedback when you didn't.

quit being sensitive.

[Knicksfan20]

I'm here to answer any questions.

Would love to know how I have the 2nd worst team in the bat. Please explain.

[Smash3]

I'm here to answer any questions.

Would love to know how I have the 2nd worst team in the bat. Please explain.

Which teams do you think should have been bumped for yours in the PO? Btw send in a write up?

[ibraheim718]

why ask for further critique when I asked you for critique and you came up with that weak ass answer originally? You're the one that got defensive when other posters gave me actual feedback and i thanked them for giving me some insight..so you're the one who took **** personally and got touchy, thinking it was a passive aggressive shot at you when i already settled **** with you. You told another poster about our center rotation but couldn't tell me when i asked for a critique. Barton is the starting 2. but hey look - you finally came up w/ some type of actual analysis and thought - holy **** you do have it in you.

Friend I come back on here hours later and your still on here complaining. Who's the one that got their feeling hurt, huh?

Buddy, I was talking to other people having a discussion about my team and not mentioning you. I admittedly mentioned I was salty about it - and told people it's mostly due to being my first Bat. again you are the one that got butthurt with your passive aggressive comment because I thanked people for taking the time to give me actual feedback when you didn't.

quit being sensitive.

Come on man.. stop. You were being a little ninny.

[Knicksfan20]

I'm here to answer any questions.

Would love to know how I have the 2nd worst team in the bat. Please explain.

Which teams do you think should have been bumped for yours in the PO?

Didn't see who made the playoffs In the judges eyes and do not care. I saw every teams BAT and no way am I in the bottom 3rd of the BAT let alone the 28th worst team in the BAT.

[ibraheim718]

I'm here to answer any questions.

Would love to know how I have the 2nd worst team in the bat. Please explain.

You came on too late. BAT fatigue I tell you. Rap with KT, Swiss, or NLR.

[Knicksfan20]

I'm here to answer any questions.

Would love to know how I have the 2nd worst team in the bat. Please explain.

You came on too late. BAT fatigue I tell you. Rap with KT, Swiss, or NLR.

I do not understand what this is supposed to mean.

[ibraheim718]

Would love to know how I have the 2nd worst team in the bat. Please explain.

You came on too late. BAT fatigue I tell you. Rap with KT, Swiss, or NLR.

I do not understand what this is supposed to mean.

It means I'm done talking about the judging.. let one of the other judges explain themselves.

[Slicin N Dicin]

Friend I come back on here hours later and your still on here complaining. Who's the one that got their feeling hurt, huh?

Buddy, I was talking to other people having a discussion about my team and not mentioning you. I admittedly mentioned I was salty about it - and told people it's mostly due to being my first Bat. again you are the one that got butthurt with your passive aggressive comment because I thanked people for taking the time to give me actual feedback when you didn't.

quit being sensitive.

Come on man.. stop. You were being a little ninny.

I've been pretty transparent with everything on here. my major gripe was how you originally answered the question simply mentioning the depth chart and how it wasn't traditional. I had conversations with others on here and thanked them for providing insight. you took that as a slight to you and made your passive aggressive comment. simple as that dude.

i mentioned and have admitted i was salty bwgood and i didn't make the playoffs..and mentioned the reason why.

i have no personal beef or vendetta against you. you felt some type of way i thanked others for providing insight - that's what caused this back and forth dude. i'm all good to end it as is if you are. it is what it is at this point - neither one of us is going to change our viewpoint or anything.

[IllmaticHandler]

Even I will admit Abe should be worn out.

[Knicksfan20]

It means I'm done talking about the judging.. let one of the other judges explain themselves.

Just looking for a simple explanation as to why im the worst build team in the BAT. Doesn't need to be long, just curious how. Because this makes 0 sense to me.

[ibraheim718]

Buddy, I was talking to other people having a discussion about my team and not mentioning you. I admittedly mentioned I was salty about it - and told people it's mostly due to being my first Bat. again you are the one that got butthurt with your passive aggressive comment because I thanked people for taking the time to give me actual feedback when you didn't.

quit being sensitive.

Come on man.. stop. You were being a little ninny.

I've been pretty transparent with everything on here. my major gripe was how you originally answered the question simply mentioning the depth chart and how it wasn't traditional. I had conversations with others on here and thanked them for providing insight. you took that as a slight to you and made your passive aggressive comment. simple as that dude.

i mentioned and have admitted i was salty bwgood and i didn't make the playoffs..and mentioned the reason why.

i have no personal beef or vendetta against you. you felt some type of way i thanked others for providing insight - that's what caused this back and forth dude. i'm all good to end it as is if you are. it is what it is at this point - neither one of us is going to change our viewpoint or anything.

I came on here and specifically said something about depth charts a couple of days before I submitted my results. Like I said I had you right there.. your team was one of the teams I kept going back and forth on. I probably spent more time on your team than on a lot of the other teams. In the end I placed players in positions in my mind where I thought they would fit but I docked you because every time I had to go back and look at your roster I had to shuffle things around in my head again so I could conceptualize how they would fare against the other teams.

I put teams in tiers and then I pitted the teams in those tiers against each others. So I'm going back and looking at your team and looking at another team and so on and so forth. Think about what a judge has to do.. we have to rank the teams at some point.. we can't spend an eternity doing it and all the other judges probably do it differently but eventually you have to rank these totally hypothetical teams.. 30 of them. It's a completely imperfect science.. I even hesitate to call it a science. It's just judging something so meaningless it's not even worth getting excited about.

[ibraheim718]

It means I'm done talking about the judging.. let one of the other judges explain themselves.

Just looking for a simple explanation as to why im the worst build team in the BAT. Doesn't need to be long, just curious how. Because this makes 0 sense to me.

Well you've been at this for a while.. and you like to build unique teams, right? Why do you think you were low? Because it wasn't just me it had to be every judge. I don't understand why you guys didn't go back to BR7's simulation. It was pretty cool.

[Knicksfan20]

It means I'm done talking about the judging.. let one of the other judges explain themselves.

Just looking for a simple explanation as to why im the worst build team in the BAT. Doesn't need to be long, just curious how. Because this makes 0 sense to me.

Well you've been at this for a while.. and you like to build unique teams, right? Why do you think you were low? Because it wasn't just me it had to be every judge. I don't understand why you guys didn't go back to BR7's simulation. It was pretty cool.

I judged my own self. Said my weaknesses and my strengths. My weaknesses...Size/toughness up front and rebounding.

I have Defense/Scoring in my starting lineup. Bench playmakers. Efficient scorers and shooters... Probably have the highest scoring team in the BAT or at least top 5...My defense is not one of the worst...So..How can a top 5 offense and a middle of the pack defense = worst team in BAT? Makes 0 sense.

Its one thing to have me off the playoffs...Its another to rank me 2nd worse with no explanation. I have judged BATs and played many. I know how to build a winning team. My team is 2nd worse? How?

Capela/Frye
Deng/Frye/Beas
Gay/Holiday/Beas
Wiggins/Holiday/Crawford
Kyrie/Sesssions/Crawford

I have this lineup for 30 games. Gay having arguably his best season as a pro too.

Capela/Frye
Deng/Frye/Beas
Wiggins/Beas/Jones
Holiday/Crawford/Jones
Kyrie/Sessions/Crawford

then this team for the remainder of the season.

I have balanced scoring/defense. I have 7 guys who can create offense for themselves. Good mix of defenders/scorers. My bench weakness is defense...But Need scoring off the bench more then defense off the bench. Every player having a good statistic year outside of Deng who is on a trash team.

So..how am I the worst team in the west? Still have yet to give me an answer. I will disagree with whatever you say, but I still would like to know. I put the time into this BAT, I deserve a critique on my team.

[swisscheeseD]

My last night out here in the Poconos, heading back home to MD in the AM. Figured I'd start to catch myself up on this thread; but after reading some of the reaction, I needed to say this one thing before I really start to address the core issues with the judging process...

If you left your roster up to the judges to determine whether or not it was a playoff lock, the onus is on you as a GM and not the judge who "don't know **** about basketball".

While some rosters who missed the playoffs look like playoff teams into today's NBA, you have to take into consideration that this was a "win-now" tournament. Sure the ultimate goal is to win-now even in today's NBA, but that isn't a realistic option/direction for EVERY team, as some choose the rebuild, establishing a young core, in a transition or just flat out tanking.

Here, in BAT land...nobody is tanking or worrying about future direction. And with the nature of a snake draft, especially factoring most of the top tier talent being selected early by teams in the East, the teams in the West were bunched up so close with no clear favorite. The West was 13-14 deep out of 15 with only 8 roster spots to give, there were going to be 5-6 legit playoff contenders that would miss out. It is what it is.

But take a look in the mirror before blaming others who put a lot of time and effort into judging...you are the ones who weren't able to land the knockout and were content thinking you had the fight one. Anything can happen when you go to the scorecards.

[swisscheeseD]

Just looking for a simple explanation as to why im the worst build team in the BAT. Doesn't need to be long, just curious how. Because this makes 0 sense to me.

Well you've been at this for a while.. and you like to build unique teams, right? Why do you think you were low? Because it wasn't just me it had to be every judge. I don't understand why you guys didn't go back to BR7's simulation. It was pretty cool.

I judged my own self. Said my weaknesses and my strengths. My weaknesses...Size/toughness up front and rebounding.

I have Defense/Scoring in my starting lineup. Bench playmakers. Efficient scorers and shooters... Probably have the highest scoring team in the BAT or at least top 5...My defense is not one of the worst...So..How can a top 5 offense and a middle of the pack defense = worst team in BAT? Makes 0 sense.

Its one thing to have me off the playoffs...Its another to rank me 2nd worse with no explanation. I have judged BATs and played many. I know how to build a winning team. My team is 2nd worse? How?

Capela/Frye
Deng/Frye/Beas
Gay/Holiday/Beas
Wiggins/Holiday/Crawford
Kyrie/Sesssions/Crawford

I have this lineup for 30 games.

Capela/Frye
Deng/Frye/Beas
Wiggins/Beas/Jones
Holiday/Crawford/Jones
Kyrie/Sessions/Crawford

then this team for the remainder of the season.

I have balanced scoring/defense. I have 7 guys who can create offense for themselves. Good mix of defenders/scorers. My bench weakness is defense...But Need scoring off the bench more then defense off the bench. Every player having a good statistic year outside of Deng who is on a trash team.

So..how am I the worst team in the west? Still have yet to give me an answer. I will disagree with whatever you say, but I still would like to know. I put the time into this BAT, I deserve a critique on my team.

This is what I submitted to bish along with rankings and writeups for EVERY other team.

(I know there are many others who want to know where and why they were ranked whatever way and will get back to you all individually, I've just been busy all weekend and will be available to talk more in depth tomorrow evening)

14. Los Angeles Clippers – This team will be one of the worst defensive teams in this competition, even with an emerging rim-protector in Capela. Kyrie is a superstar in every sense of the word, but he is a scorer first and really need to be paired with another playmaker in the lineup to run the actual offense. While Wiggins can create his own shots as well, but he is much more efficient off-the-ball being set up for his shots and cuts to the rim. I think selecting Rudy Gay when you got him was a shrewd move. There wasn’t anyone available that late, that could have had the kind of impact for at least a quarter of the year, but again…a player who has a score-first mentality, stops the ball and creates for himself. There is a ton of individual talent on this roster, and some decent glue pieces, pop off the bench with Crawford…but the roster composition overall is rather poor.

[Knicksfan20]

My last night out here in the Poconos, heading back home to MD in the AM. Figured I'd start to catch myself up on this thread; but after reading some of the reaction, I needed to say this one thing before I really start to address the core issues with the judging process...

If you left your roster up to the judges to determine whether or not it was a playoff lock, the onus is on you as a GM and not the judge who "don't know **** about basketball".

While some rosters who missed the playoffs look like playoff teams into today's NBA, you have to take into consideration that this was a "win-now" tournament. Sure the ultimate goal is to win-now even in today's NBA, but that isn't a realistic option/direction for EVERY team, as some choose the rebuild, establishing a young core, in a transition or just flat out tanking.

Here, in BAT land...nobody is tanking or worrying about future direction. And with the nature of a snake draft, especially factoring most of the top tier talent being selected early by teams in the East, the teams in the West were bunched up so close with no clear favorite. The West was 13-14 deep out of 15 with only 8 roster spots to give, there were going to be 5-6 legit playoff contenders that would miss out. It is what it is.

But take a look in the mirror before blaming others who put a lot of time and effort into judging...you are the ones who weren't able to land the knockout and were content thinking you had the fight one. Anything can happen when you go to the scorecards.

Would love to know how I am the worst team in the West. I understand the West is "deep" But don't understand how my team is at the bottom. I don't think there is a team in the BAT who can go toe to toe with me scoring the ball(especially when I have Gay). And with that said, my team's defense is not terrible. Middle of the pack defensive team with a top 5 offense should not = worst record in the league.

I know people here don't like Wiggins for w.e reason, but the guy has been a consistent 23 ppg player this season on 46% and 36%.

I just don't understand. Most of these teams don't even have a 2nd go to scorer...How the fk can a team be a top team without a 2nd go to scorer in todays NBA? Everybody in my lineup can shoot the ball (outside capela) and everybody can score on their own if needed. Beasley has a bad rep but is having an extremely efficient season and is playing great basketball.

Can make it a PM if the judges want. I just want to know how im rated so low. Makes 0 sense to me looking at some of the other teams in the BAT.

[ibraheim718]

Well you've been at this for a while.. and you like to build unique teams, right? Why do you think you were low? Because it wasn't just me it had to be every judge. I don't understand why you guys didn't go back to BR7's simulation. It was pretty cool.

I judged my own self. Said my weaknesses and my strengths. My weaknesses...Size/toughness up front and rebounding.

I have Defense/Scoring in my starting lineup. Bench playmakers. Efficient scorers and shooters... Probably have the highest scoring team in the BAT or at least top 5...My defense is not one of the worst...So..How can a top 5 offense and a middle of the pack defense = worst team in BAT? Makes 0 sense.

Its one thing to have me off the playoffs...Its another to rank me 2nd worse with no explanation. I have judged BATs and played many. I know how to build a winning team. My team is 2nd worse? How?

Capela/Frye
Deng/Frye/Beas
Gay/Holiday/Beas
Wiggins/Holiday/Crawford
Kyrie/Sesssions/Crawford

I have this lineup for 30 games.

Capela/Frye
Deng/Frye/Beas
Wiggins/Beas/Jones
Holiday/Crawford/Jones
Kyrie/Sessions/Crawford

then this team for the remainder of the season.

I have balanced scoring/defense. I have 7 guys who can create offense for themselves. Good mix of defenders/scorers. My bench weakness is defense...But Need scoring off the bench more then defense off the bench. Every player having a good statistic year outside of Deng who is on a trash team.

So..how am I the worst team in the west? Still have yet to give me an answer. I will disagree with whatever you say, but I still would like to know. I put the time into this BAT, I deserve a critique on my team.

This is what I submitted to bish along with rankings and writeups for EVERY other team.

(I know there are many others who want to know where and why they were ranked whatever way and will get back to you all individually, I've just been busy all weekend and will be available to talk more in depth tomorrow evening)

14. Los Angeles Clippers – This team will be one of the worst defensive teams in this competition, even with an emerging rim-protector in Capela. Kyrie is a superstar in every sense of the word, but he is a scorer first and really need to be paired with another playmaker in the lineup to run the actual offense. While Wiggins can create his own shots as well, but he is much more efficient off-the-ball being set up for his shots and cuts to the rim. I think selecting Rudy Gay when you got him was a shrewd move. There wasn’t anyone available that late, that could have had the kind of impact for at least a quarter of the year, but again…a player who has a score-first mentality, stops the ball and creates for himself. There is a ton of individual talent on this roster, and some decent glue pieces, pop off the bench with Crawford…but the roster composition overall is rather poor.

This is what I submitted to Bish..

15. Clippers