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Post#2581 » by ibraheim718 » Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:10 am

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Just looking for a simple explanation as to why im the worst build team in the BAT. Doesn't need to be long, just curious how. Because this makes 0 sense to me.


Well you've been at this for a while.. and you like to build unique teams, right? Why do you think you were low? Because it wasn't just me it had to be every judge. I don't understand why you guys didn't go back to BR7's simulation. It was pretty cool.


I judged my own self. Said my weaknesses and my strengths. My weaknesses...Size/toughness up front and rebounding.



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Post#2582 » by ibraheim718 » Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:13 am

You're asking random people on the internet to simulate 82 games in their head using their imagination for free. :lol: Come on man..
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Post#2583 » by ibraheim718 » Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:15 am

I had to pull out scratch paper and make little notes and schit.. y'all are ungrateful af.
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Post#2584 » by swisscheeseD » Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:22 am

The problem is, everyone overrates their rosters without seeing each individual flaw and how that can effect how their roster can be perceived, simply because of the time and effort invested.

That Clippers squad is filled with me-first, ball stopping Iso-scorers, with zero playmaking. They have zero size in the frontcourt have the worst defensive backcourt in the competition and are relying on 2nd year Capela turning into Bill Russell to carry the defense.

Knicksfan20 lives in a world where Wiggins has lived up to his potential as an elite defender, when in reality, he looks lost defensively, has zero bbiq on that side of the ball and has been one of the worst defenders in basketball this season. Does that mean he cant be a plus defender in the future? Absolutely not. Does that mean he no longer has potential as a plus defender? Absolutely not. But we're dealing in the right now...not the right what could be.
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Post#2585 » by Knicksfan20 » Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:23 am

Todays NBA is built around scoring and not so much about defense.

Capela= defender
Deng = Defender
Gay= average defender who gets blocks/steals. Good length.
Holiday = Defender
Wiggisn = defender
kyrie= played great defense in the playoffs. Poor in the reg season.


The guys getting the major mins on my team, are at least average - good defenders. Then I have 1 way bench players.

Just don't see many teams outscoring mine. They can have defenders all they want, what happens when I have a team of 10 guys who can put the ball in the hoop? Cant guard everybody.

Thanks for the response. I respectfully disagree, but at least I have a response.

With that said...

Nuggets just as bad defensively , doesn't have the amount of firepower as I do.
Who scores for the T wolves?
Jazz bad defense overall and middleton misses most of the reg season.
Warriors are better then me?
Mavs have 2 scorers, JR smith out for the season and 2 starters who shouldn't be starters.

Most of the teams in my division don't have go to scorers who can score in the clutch either or in 1 on 1 situations. I know ISO ball isn't liked much here, but its pretty important to have players who can score in iso situations.


In todays NBA where scoring is so important, my team is arguably the highest scoring team in the BAT but worst team in BAT. Despite having good defenders.

Ok. Thanks for the response. Im done here.
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Post#2586 » by Knicksfan20 » Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:28 am

swisscheeseD wrote:The problem is, everyone overrates their rosters without seeing each individual flaw and how that can effect how their roster can be perceived, simply because of the time and effort invested.

That Clippers squad is filled with me-first, ball stopping Iso-scorers, with zero playmaking. They have zero size in the frontcourt have the worst defensive backcourt in the competition and are relying on 2nd year Capela turning into Bill Russell to carry the defense.

Knicksfan20 lives in a world where Wiggins has lived up to his potential as an elite defender, when in reality, he looks lost defensively, has zero bbiq on that side of the ball and has been one of the worst defenders in basketball this season. Does that mean he cant be a plus defender in the future? Absolutely not. Does that mean he no longer has potential as a plus defender? Absolutely not. But we're dealing in the right now...not the right what could be.


thank you.

To be fair, I didn't know this was a 1 year BAT until the end of the 3rd round (after I picked Kyrie/Wiggins/Capela to be my starting 3 for the now and future). Also you make it seem like I have Jamal Crawford at every position.

I don't think I have a team full of me first ball stoppers. I have 3 players in my starting lineup who can score 1 on 1. But 2 are better off the ball as slashers. Kyrie has the ball in his hand most of the time with Gay/Wiggins moving off the ball. Then If Wiggins/Gay has the ball..Kyrie open for 3.

Crawford is getting limited minutes/0 minutes when I have Gay on my team. I have Sessions getting all the PG minutes over JC. JC only plays when Gay gets injured.

Beasley has not been a ball stopper at all in Mil. Hes been very good and professional in his role. Very efficient as well.
Frye is a shooter. Not a ball stopper.
Crawford was obtained for his ability to score and make plays off the bench.
Holiday is not a ball stopper. Good defender/shooter and can create for himself.

So I disagree with my placement, but at least I have a response. My team's gameplan is to play uptempo and put up a lot of shots. Best team in the league this year is arguably the Houston Rockets and they don't play much defense at all and Harden is a worse defender then anybody I have on my team.


If you look at every team in the BAT...Not many teams even have a 2nd go to scorer. Or a 2nd player to create offense for themselves. In a league where injuries happen, not many teams seemed to have built/prepared a team to make up for other players if said players were to go down. I have depth at every position.
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Post#2587 » by Knicksfan1992 » Tue Feb 21, 2017 12:17 pm

I'm just going to say this. Knicksfan20's team is getting unfairly crapped on for having a bad defense. Kyrie is bad and Wiggins too but Gay, Holiday and Capela all grade out as plus defenders. Deng isn't going to hurt you on that end. Frye gets a bad rap but he's not terrible on d either. No juggernaut on that end for sure but, I don't think it's disastrous..
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Post#2588 » by br7knicks » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:12 pm

Knicksfan20 wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:
It means I'm done talking about the judging.. let one of the other judges explain themselves.


Just looking for a simple explanation as to why im the worst build team in the BAT. Doesn't need to be long, just curious how. Because this makes 0 sense to me.


i think you have a nice young core of irving-wiggins-capela, moving foward.


and i love ya, KFA20, but that team is extremely weak, defensively, particularly the frontcourt. holiday cannot be the only backcourt defender either. plus, he's not really tested and hasn't proven he can handle a huge minute workload in the NBA yet - he's one of my favorite knicks player, but i'm not going to make him something he's not. irving ONLY plays defense when it's the NBA finals - we all witnessed that last year.

and deng is a shell of himself, especially defensively. i had him at PF 2 BATs ago, and got NO love for it. so, again, that frontcourt defense is going to get trampled. incredibly weak rebounding as well.


but again, i like your young core moving forward, but i would've had you towards the bottom of winning this year too. probably not second worst, as i can see several other teams not doing any better. but you're in a tough conference.
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Post#2589 » by br7knicks » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:13 pm

swisscheeseD wrote:
Knicksfan20 wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:
Well you've been at this for a while.. and you like to build unique teams, right? Why do you think you were low? Because it wasn't just me it had to be every judge. I don't understand why you guys didn't go back to BR7's simulation. It was pretty cool.


I judged my own self. Said my weaknesses and my strengths. My weaknesses...Size/toughness up front and rebounding.

I have Defense/Scoring in my starting lineup. Bench playmakers. Efficient scorers and shooters... Probably have the highest scoring team in the BAT or at least top 5...My defense is not one of the worst...So..How can a top 5 offense and a middle of the pack defense = worst team in BAT? Makes 0 sense.

Its one thing to have me off the playoffs...Its another to rank me 2nd worse with no explanation. I have judged BATs and played many. I know how to build a winning team. My team is 2nd worse? How?

Capela/Frye
Deng/Frye/Beas
Gay/Holiday/Beas
Wiggins/Holiday/Crawford
Kyrie/Sesssions/Crawford

I have this lineup for 30 games.

Capela/Frye
Deng/Frye/Beas
Wiggins/Beas/Jones
Holiday/Crawford/Jones
Kyrie/Sessions/Crawford

then this team for the remainder of the season.

I have balanced scoring/defense. I have 7 guys who can create offense for themselves. Good mix of defenders/scorers. My bench weakness is defense...But Need scoring off the bench more then defense off the bench. Every player having a good statistic year outside of Deng who is on a trash team.

So..how am I the worst team in the west? Still have yet to give me an answer. I will disagree with whatever you say, but I still would like to know. I put the time into this BAT, I deserve a critique on my team.


This is what I submitted to bish along with rankings and writeups for EVERY other team.

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Post#2590 » by NYKnicksTAPE » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:19 pm

Knicksfan1992 wrote:I'm just going to say this. Knicksfan20's team is getting unfairly crapped on for having a bad defense. Kyrie is bad and Wiggins too but Gay, Holiday and Capela all grade out as plus defenders. Deng isn't going to hurt you on that end. Frye gets a bad rap but he's not terrible on d either. No juggernaut on that end for sure but, I don't think it's disastrous..

I don't think so. Kyrie and Wiggins are more horrible on defense than just bad, and a frontcourt of Deng and Capela is not gonna make up for having both of them in the SL. He'll be struggling to get stops, and when he does, he'll be struggling to get the defensive rebound. Then there's really no capable defenders coming off the bench either. Then offensively, pretty much every single 1 of his guys who will have the ball the most are not ball movers or guys who are good at setting others up.
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Post#2591 » by El Poochio » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:31 pm

Lol I guess they only look at defense when they look for stuff to crap on
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Post#2592 » by swisscheeseD » Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:02 pm

El Poochio wrote:Lol I guess they only look at defense when they look for stuff to crap on


Did you read my post? I think offensively that team is mediocre without any true playmaker, let alone one that can actually help run an efficient offense.

His roster construction was as poor offensively as it was defensively.
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Post#2593 » by Manhattan Project » Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:25 pm

What I've learned from this thread... The real life Spurs shouldn't be a good NBA team...
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Post#2594 » by magnumt » Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:54 pm

Manhattan Project wrote:What I've learned from this thread... The real life Spurs shouldn't be a good NBA team...


The IRL Spurs have Kawhi Leonard & LMA, and are coached by Pop's.

WTF are you now going on about? :lol:

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Post#2595 » by Manhattan Project » Tue Feb 21, 2017 5:10 pm

magnumt wrote:
The IRL Spurs have Kawhi Leonard & LMA, and are coached by Pop's.

WTF are you now going on about? :lol:

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They lack a play maker.
They lack a plethora of scorers.
Mills and Lee clearly can't be a good bench.
There second fiddle shot 5 of 16 against the Knicks so therefore he can't possible be good.

Or is it that people that are building teams here don't care about how pieces fit?
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Post#2596 » by El Poochio » Tue Feb 21, 2017 5:20 pm

swisscheeseD wrote:
El Poochio wrote:Lol I guess they only look at defense when they look for stuff to crap on


Did you read my post? I think offensively that team is mediocre without any true playmaker, let alone one that can actually help run an efficient offense.

His roster construction was as poor offensively as it was defensively.


Dont care about his team sorry
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Post#2597 » by El Poochio » Tue Feb 21, 2017 5:29 pm

No explanation to rank a top 3 defensive team with a plus offense 20th in whole league and pretend you know basketball
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Post#2598 » by Manhattan Project » Tue Feb 21, 2017 7:16 pm

Also for anyone that's been taking my post seriously, relax... I'm just poking fun at the running emotions of BAT.
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Post#2599 » by bishnykfan » Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:10 pm

I will send out the playoff matchups tonight when I get home and hopefully have first round results by tomorrow night or Thursday at the latest.
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Post#2600 » by br7knicks » Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:53 am

Manhattan Project wrote:Also for anyone that's been taking my post seriously, relax... I'm just poking fun at the running emotions of BAT.


No. Don't justify. Go back to doing those one liner write ups. Those are funny
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