What Josh Harrellson Brings To the Knicks [Heat Related]

[gavran]

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This was just cruel

[can o peas]

http://www.targetmap.com/viewer.aspx?reportId=3073

This was just cruel

you two are probably originally romanian anyway

[gavran]

http://www.targetmap.com/viewer.aspx?reportId=3073

This was just cruel

you two are probably originally romanian anyway

Well, there are 1.5 million Hungarians living in Romania, so it's not quite the insult you wanted for me

[MaseInYourFace]

He doesn't have that lean athletic build most b-ball players and this particular build is very hard to put weight on (although doable with NBA facilities, staff, etc). He has more of a baseball/football build. Weight gain if necessary should not be a problem at all for him.

[Falstaffxx]

He doesn't have that lean athletic build most b-ball players and this particular build is very hard to put weight on (although doable with NBA facilities, staff, etc). He has more of a baseball/football build. Weight gain if necessary should not be a problem at all for him.

Are you saying he would or wouldn't be able to put weight on, with his frame? And are you saying he should put weight on or not? He supposedly weighs 275.

[TrueWarrior]

Just to get an idea of how weird Josh's body is: His standing reach is the same as Chuck Hayes who is 3 inches shorter with 1 inch shorter arms. Scalabrine has a 1 inch standing reach advantage at the same height and vert. Size wise Josh looks more like a PF than a C to me. Im sure he can get away at C at times if he really battles and learns to stay out of foul trouble, but its just going to be really hard with that length disadvantage. Josh has heart, but my expectations are pretty low for the guy. I just dont know anybody with his lack of physical tools making it in the league who cant shoot threes. Hes just really going to have to get jacked as hell and become a dominant post defender. The odds are very against him, but Im rooting our new friend Jorts.

[moocow007]

Just to get an idea of how weird Josh's body is: His standing reach is the same as Chuck Hayes who is 3 inches shorter with 1 inch shorter arms. Scalabrine has a 1 inch standing reach advantage at the same height and vert. Size wise Josh looks more like a PF than a C to me. Im sure he can get away at C at times if he really battles and learns to stay out of foul trouble, but its just going to be really hard with that length disadvantage. Josh has heart, but my expectations are pretty low for the guy. I just dont know anybody with his lack of physical tools making it in the league who cant shoot threes. Hes just really going to have to get jacked as hell and become a dominant post defender. The odds are very against him, but Im rooting our new friend Jorts.

Yep, same sentiments all the way around.

Some potential positives? Kendrick Perkins really didn't rank highly in terms of athleticism, toolset or center height either coming out of HS (he wasn't anywhere near being "Baby Shaq") and yet he's made a great career for himself by basically just doing one thing well...being a bruiser of a post defender. Perkins did work hard on his conditioning (something that Harrellson and the Knicks really need to focus on majorly) and really got himself physically prepared to go up against the big boys (he was dough boyish coming into the NBA and in his rookie season). Not saying that Harrellson will ever become Perkins but there is hope he can be a serviceable role player. Just needs to work hard (real hard likely) to realize it. Long shot? Yeah I'd say so. But a shot never the less.

[TheToothFairy]

Just to get an idea of how weird Josh's body is: His standing reach is the same as Chuck Hayes who is 3 inches shorter with 1 inch shorter arms. Scalabrine has a 1 inch standing reach advantage at the same height and vert. Size wise Josh looks more like a PF than a C to me. Im sure he can get away at C at times if he really battles and learns to stay out of foul trouble, but its just going to be really hard with that length disadvantage. Josh has heart, but my expectations are pretty low for the guy. I just dont know anybody with his lack of physical tools making it in the league who cant shoot threes. Hes just really going to have to get jacked as hell and become a dominant post defender. The odds are very against him, but Im rooting our new friend Jorts.

You just mentioned Hayes:) Perkins, Kris Humphries, Tyler Hansbrough, Carl Landry, Haslem, al Jeff, Big Baby, Dejuan Blair

[aq_ua]

Just to get an idea of how weird Josh's body is: His standing reach is the same as Chuck Hayes who is 3 inches shorter with 1 inch shorter arms. Scalabrine has a 1 inch standing reach advantage at the same height and vert. Size wise Josh looks more like a PF than a C to me. Im sure he can get away at C at times if he really battles and learns to stay out of foul trouble, but its just going to be really hard with that length disadvantage. Josh has heart, but my expectations are pretty low for the guy. I just dont know anybody with his lack of physical tools making it in the league who cant shoot threes. Hes just really going to have to get jacked as hell and become a dominant post defender. The odds are very against him, but Im rooting our new friend Jorts.

Yep, same sentiments all the way around.

Some potential positives? Kendrick Perkins really didn't rank highly in terms of athleticism, toolset or center height either coming out of HS (he wasn't anywhere near being "Baby Shaq") and yet he's made a great career for himself by basically just doing one thing well...being a bruiser of a post defender. Perkins did work hard on his conditioning (something that Harrellson and the Knicks really need to focus on majorly) and really got himself physically prepared to go up against the big boys (he was dough boyish coming into the NBA and in his rookie season). Not saying that Harrellson will ever become Perkins but there is hope he can be a serviceable role player. Just needs to work hard (real hard likely) to realize it. Long shot? Yeah I'd say so. But a shot never the less.

That's an interesting parallel. What impresses me the most about Perkins is his grasp of defense. Listening to his post game interviews on how the team planned its defensive strategies is really impressive. I have no idea on Jorts' BBIQ, but if he is at that Perkins level, he can definitely establish a long productive career despite the limited athleticism.

[TrueWarrior]

Just to get an idea of how weird Josh's body is: His standing reach is the same as Chuck Hayes who is 3 inches shorter with 1 inch shorter arms. Scalabrine has a 1 inch standing reach advantage at the same height and vert. Size wise Josh looks more like a PF than a C to me. Im sure he can get away at C at times if he really battles and learns to stay out of foul trouble, but its just going to be really hard with that length disadvantage. Josh has heart, but my expectations are pretty low for the guy. I just dont know anybody with his lack of physical tools making it in the league who cant shoot threes. Hes just really going to have to get jacked as hell and become a dominant post defender. The odds are very against him, but Im rooting our new friend Jorts.

You just mentioned Hayes:) Perkins, Kris Humphries, Tyler Hansbrough, Carl Landry, Haslem, al Jeff, Big Baby, Dejuan Blair

Every one of those guys have athletic, standing reach, and wingspan advantages on Harrellson besides Carl Landry, and most of those are PFs, small PFs too. Look Im not trying to put Jorts down because I love his attitude. He can make it if he becomes a super hustle/goon type and works on that jumper more, but theres no denying the guy is undersized and there was a reason he was going undrafted in most places. Im just trying to curb some enthusiasm for people thinking hes a center, because hed be the smallest center in the league despite his height. For all the flack Markieff Morris got about his short arms, Kieff has a 2 inch standing reach advantage on Josh.

Im not sure if Josh is quick enough to stay with PFs or big/long enough to bang with centers. Hes going to just have to get a very strong lower body a la Chuck Hayes and develop a 3 pt shot a la Scalabrine/Cardinal/Harangody to be effective.

The guy we need to hope plays well is Jerome Jordan. He has the size, length, with some decent skill to give us at least 10-15 mpg at some point if somebody holds a candle under his ass. Jerome was looked at as a first rounder not too long ago.

[Falstaffxx]

I'm sure you're right that those guys have advantages over Harrellson, but isn't Harrellson a lot more bulky than them? He's undersized in terms of reach as a center, but he should be more than strong enough.

[TrueWarrior]

I'm sure you're right that those guys have advantages over Harrellson, but isn't Harrellson a lot more bulky than them? He's undersized in terms of reach as a center, but he should be more than strong enough.

Jorts isnt stronger than Hayes, Perkins, Humphries, Haslem, Al Jeff, Big Baby, and Blair. Maybe Landry and Hansbrough, but those guys play tough too. The others are all bigger, longer, and more athletic than Jorts.

Being strong can only do so much. This isnt football. Many undersized and bulky players have failed miserably in the NBA. Luke Harangody is strong as sh*t with a bigger reach than Jorts, but you wont catch him playing center. Jorts' best chance is to drop weight, get stronger, get a nasty jumper and become a hustle PF like Luke.

Im done knocking Jorts though. Lets see what he can do.

[Falstaffxx]

I'm sure you're right that those guys have advantages over Harrellson, but isn't Harrellson a lot more bulky than them? He's undersized in terms of reach as a center, but he should be more than strong enough.

Jorts isnt stronger than Hayes, Perkins, Humphries, Haslem, Al Jeff, Big Baby, and Blair. Maybe Landry and Hansbrough, but those guys play tough too. The others are all bigger, longer, and more athletic than Jorts.

Being strong can only do so much. This isnt football. Many undersized and bulky players have failed miserably in the NBA. Luke Harangody is strong as sh*t with a bigger reach than Jorts, but you wont catch him playing center. Jorts' best chance is to drop weight, get stronger, get a nasty jumper and become a hustle PF like Luke.

Im done knocking Jorts though. Lets see what he can do.

I agree about strength not being everything, but is it really true that all those guys are as bulky as Jorts? I mean, the guy is supposedly 275 pounds. The guys on that list:

Humphries - 235
Hayes - 238
Perkins - 275
Haslem - 235
Jefferson - 280
Davis - 295
Blair - 270
Landry - 248
Hansbrough - 250
Harangody - 246

So if Jorts' listed weight is correct, he is bulkier than most of the guys on the list. I'm not saying he's going to be good, but he does have some serious size.

Also, his reach isn't very good, but he does have pretty good height (an NBA 6-10), and eye-level has to mean something even if it doesn't mean as much as reach.

[TrueWarrior]

Jorts has 15% body fat, 4% more than the babyfatted Blair and Harangody, so its not like hes a chiseled 275. He needs to cut the fat and get down around 250-260 no matter what if he wants to be in NBA shape. In which case hed lose a little bulk. The good thing is he seems to have lost weight, but he doesnt look center size at all.

Jorts is kind of a tweener right now. Lets just hope his toughness makes up for it.

[moocow007]

Just to get an idea of how weird Josh's body is: His standing reach is the same as Chuck Hayes who is 3 inches shorter with 1 inch shorter arms. Scalabrine has a 1 inch standing reach advantage at the same height and vert. Size wise Josh looks more like a PF than a C to me. Im sure he can get away at C at times if he really battles and learns to stay out of foul trouble, but its just going to be really hard with that length disadvantage. Josh has heart, but my expectations are pretty low for the guy. I just dont know anybody with his lack of physical tools making it in the league who cant shoot threes. Hes just really going to have to get jacked as hell and become a dominant post defender. The odds are very against him, but Im rooting our new friend Jorts.

Yep, same sentiments all the way around.

Some potential positives? Kendrick Perkins really didn't rank highly in terms of athleticism, toolset or center height either coming out of HS (he wasn't anywhere near being "Baby Shaq") and yet he's made a great career for himself by basically just doing one thing well...being a bruiser of a post defender. Perkins did work hard on his conditioning (something that Harrellson and the Knicks really need to focus on majorly) and really got himself physically prepared to go up against the big boys (he was dough boyish coming into the NBA and in his rookie season). Not saying that Harrellson will ever become Perkins but there is hope he can be a serviceable role player. Just needs to work hard (real hard likely) to realize it. Long shot? Yeah I'd say so. But a shot never the less.

That's an interesting parallel. What impresses me the most about Perkins is his grasp of defense. Listening to his post game interviews on how the team planned its defensive strategies is really impressive. I have no idea on Jorts' BBIQ, but if he is at that Perkins level, he can definitely establish a long productive career despite the limited athleticism.

Yeah I think in a perfect world Harrellson works on getting his body into top condition (like Perkins did) and plays the game the same way Perkins does (always seemingly with a massive chip on his shoulder). Don't think he'll ever be another Perkins but he can have a solid role in the NBA doing the same kind of things (play extremely physical, not giving ground defensively in the paint, learn to hit people, rebound, block some shots...surprisingly, for a guy with lack of ideal height/athleticism/lift he did block quite a few shots...be an overall enforcer type that people hate to face when they have the ball in their hands in the paint).

[TheToothFairy]

I think Jorts has a good chance to start if we don't sign FA big

[Falstaffxx]

I think Jorts has a good chance to start if we don't sign FA big

Better chance than Jordan?

[iKNICKERBOCKER]

I think Jorts has a good chance to start if we don't sign FA big

Better chance than Jordan?

Better chance than Jordan, he needs limited minutes I am not the only one who knows this.

[Rasho Brezec]

I think Jorts has a good chance to start if we don't sign FA big

Better chance than Jordan?

Yes.

[moocow007]

I think Jorts has a good chance to start if we don't sign FA big

Better chance than Jordan?

Well considering that both of them likely will have little to no chance, sure.