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Re: 1/16 Orlando Postgame thread 

Post#261 » by GONYK » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:54 pm

mpharris36 wrote:correct....whats the problem with starting novak at the 2?


is anyone seriously worried about jj reddick tearing up novak....oh like reddick destroyed landry. At least novak would open up some things on the offensive end with the starting unit....get amare and melo going early.

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Re: 1/16 Orlando Postgame thread 

Post#262 » by TKF » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:55 pm

KnicksScholar24 wrote:You are wrong.


no he is not.. tyson fought him for position and made dwight either foul or throw up trash..
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Re: 1/16 Orlando Postgame thread 

Post#263 » by br7knicks » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:55 pm

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you don't think balkman could guard 2's? i think he'd do a better job than fields or walker. balkman is quick, and i do think he can play at the 2, mainly for defense. a shump/balkman/melo/amare/chandler lineup would be fine. all balkman needs to do is play defense, and he can keep up with 2's, at least better than walker or fields

He can't play the 2 on offense though


normally i'd agree with you. but here are my points.

balkman is apparently now shooting better. so why can't he do the things that the rest of the offense is told to do: stand there and just stay open?

now that being said, does walker do anything balkman can't on offense? the offense is everyone stand around the perimeter and watch melo shoot. balkman can do that.

ok, now that that's out of the way, why can't balkman/melo switch? can't melo play the 2? he hits 3's, can play off the ball. balkman playing the 2 can create match up problems for the defense.

my main point is just that, i don't think walker does anything balkman can't do, which is why i don't see why balkman can't be there on the floor with shump (or davis when he comes back), melo, amare and TC
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Re: 1/16 Orlando Postgame thread 

Post#264 » by mpharris36 » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:55 pm

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mpharris36 wrote:correct....whats the problem with starting novak at the 2?


is anyone seriously worried about jj reddick tearing up novak....oh like reddick destroyed landry. At least novak would open up some things on the offensive end with the starting unit....get amare and melo going early.

You're getting carried away now


:lol: maybe but at this point im throwing **** at the wall and hoping something sticks...landry isn't cutting it at the SG...he can't shoot or guard the opposing 2. He is better suited at playign 15-20 minutes off the bench at the 3.
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Re: 1/16 Orlando Postgame thread 

Post#265 » by ctorres » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:55 pm

mpharris36 wrote:.whats the problem with starting novak at the 2?


ARE YOU SERIOUS?!

Novak is a power forward who can't defend any position on the floor, but it makes sense to throw him out there at the 2 and watch him get run around by every opposing shooting guard in the NBA.
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Re: 1/16 Orlando Postgame thread 

Post#266 » by GONYK » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:56 pm

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I hope when Baron comes back, Walker never plays again.


When Baron comes back, the only way Walker never plays again is if Shumpert or Fields comes off the bench at shooting guard.

Health wise, I think Bibby is on his last legs, which is why he has had no consistent role on this team at all throughout the season.

We're hoping to start Baron and Shump together, but Douglas and Fields together is still a crappy backcourt off the bench since Fields can't hit his shots. It forces Fields to move to SF and you're still forced to play Walker at SG offensively because Bibby can barely even run out there.

Start Baron and Shump, have TD back up the both guard slots and have Fields play swingman off the bench.

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Re: 1/16 Orlando Postgame thread 

Post#267 » by 2010 » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:56 pm

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2010 wrote:We lost this game because we were outcoached. Stan Van Gundy went to the zone defense and Mike D'Antoni (the offensive guru) had no offensive adjustment to offset SVG's defensive strategy. SVG showed great in-game adjustment skills to protect his star, Dwight Howard who had just picked up his 5th foul. We had no answers from there. Good coaching is often the deciding factor in close games between wins and losses.

IMAN SHUMPERT
Played good defense and has very quick, active hands. Needs to do a better job of fighting over NBA screens though, as he's constantly going under and forcing our big to switch, which creates mismatches. We got burned for 3pt shots because of this. Offensively he needs to drive to the rim and attack, attack, attack. He's an excellent FT shooter and a guy with his size, quickness and body should be making a living at the charity stripe. He's settling for too many jumpers. This game he was 2-4 from 3PT but he was again an inefficient 3-9FG overall. He'll be a much more efficient player offensively if he draws fouls. I am still high on him, he just needs better coaching.

LANDRY FIELDS
I'm pretty down on this guy. Don't really see any light at the end of the tunnel for him. I think he's a bad fit for this team and especially in our starting lineup miscast as a SG when he's really a SF. Really got burned by Redick a few times, leaving him open in the corner because he doesn't have the foot speed to defend 2's who run off screens. Offensively he is vaginesque and a liability out there. He hurts us on both ends so he's undeserving of playing anywhere near 30mpg. When Davis returns I'd hope it renders him as the 9th man, slotted behind Douglas, Harrelson and Jeffries off the bench.

CARMELO ANTHONY
I'll cut him some slack as he's playing hurt and gutting it out for the team in an effort to keep us afloat. He got to the FT line a ton today and had some pretty assists. But he forces things in his "get mine" moments and really disrupts the offensive flow with some bad shot attempts. He needs to just play team ball the way he has done in spurts, but do that 90% of the time. The other 10% should come when it's the 4th and we need "go-to-guy" buckets (or at the end of quarters).

AMAR'E STOUDEMIRE
He's been killing us. When he was in foul trouble in quarters 1-3 we played excellent defense with Jeffries and Harrellson manning the PF position next to Chandler at C. That Jeffries/Chandler combo really did a number on Howard. Stoudemire came back in for the 4th and although he scored early on, he really hurt us defensively and that's when the Magic got hot from 3pt land. How long until he starts hearing boos at the Garden?

TYSON CHANDLER
Excellent defensive game! This guy really exposed Dwight Howard for the fraudulent manufactured NBA superstar that he is. He is fully capable of defending Howard one-on-one and shut him down basically whenever they went head-to-head and were actually allowed to play. Then VIOLET PALMER decided she had to give Howard some help and he still couldn't do anything with Chandler despite her best efforts. So when she attempted to circumvent Chandler's defensive intensity we were forced to start doubling with Jeffries. The immediate effects were golden as Howard was relegated useless again. But it turned out to be fool's gold as it lulled us into a state of false security with constant the double-teaming when we really didn't need to, if it weren't for the influence of the refs attempting to put their fingerprints on the game. Then the Magic got hot and the rest is in the books as history. If Palmer doesn't enter the arena today, we likely walk out a winner with our heads held high. The NBA should be ashamed of itself.

TONEY DOUGLAS
Was having a nice bounce-back game for himself on both ends as he was taking it to the hole, hitting his mid-range shot and defending. Also didn't get hammered too hard on any blindside picks. But he negated all of that by going into full-on chuck mode late in the 4th when we went down by 5pts. Started taking unnecessary 3's when we had plenty of time to come back and played right into SVG's gameplan. Just not an intelligent player. Really don't want him or Fields on this team long-term.

BILL WALKER
This guy is useless. I keep saying he's not an NBA rotational player. That play where he barreled into Glen Davis, where the Magic also got the 3pt shot and the foul was a killer. 4pt swing in a crucial moment. I'm tired of his boneheaded play.

JARED JEFFRIES
Excellent game defensively and even hit a couple layups. Is a nice piece off the bench when playing in a lineup with guys like Chandler and Shumpert who have defensive BBIQ and know how to rotate and play team defense. He has a role here, especially with clear offensive options on the team like Melo and Stat which keep him from trying to do more than he's capable of. Loved the way he stood up for his teammate, Jorts when Howard tried to throw a cheapshot elbow. He definitely has a place on this team. Good glue guy.

JOSH HARRELLSON
Another solid game from the rookie bigman. He always makes me feel safe and secure when he's out there on the court. Hit a couple 3's, defended very well, and even showed some mental toughness when he got tangled up with Howard, who objected to a good foul and resorted to throwing a cheapshot elbow. Rook definitely didn't look scared or ready to back down. He commited a good foul and was simply tryna hold Howard up so he wouldn't get hurt. I'd like to see him get more minutes somehow.

MIKE BIBBY
Pretty useless when he's not hot from 3PT.

SOTN: tie between Ryan Anderson and Dwight Howard


i agree with this breakdown just about all the way. SOTN should be between anderson and Redick though lol.

other than that. i like all of your breakdown. until TKF comes back, you can take the reigns if they continue to be like this


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Re: 1/16 Orlando Postgame thread 

Post#268 » by MaseInYourFace » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:57 pm

Can novak defend guards? For what it's worth neither can Fields...
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Re: 1/16 Orlando Postgame thread 

Post#269 » by GONYK » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:57 pm

br7knicks wrote:
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you don't think balkman could guard 2's? i think he'd do a better job than fields or walker. balkman is quick, and i do think he can play at the 2, mainly for defense. a shump/balkman/melo/amare/chandler lineup would be fine. all balkman needs to do is play defense, and he can keep up with 2's, at least better than walker or fields

He can't play the 2 on offense though


normally i'd agree with you. but here are my points.

balkman is apparently now shooting better. so why can't he do the things that the rest of the offense is told to do: stand there and just stay open?

now that being said, does walker do anything balkman can't on offense? the offense is everyone stand around the perimeter and watch melo shoot. balkman can do that.

ok, now that that's out of the way, why can't balkman/melo switch? can't melo play the 2? he hits 3's, can play off the ball. balkman playing the 2 can create match up problems for the defense.

my main point is just that, i don't think walker does anything balkman can't do, which is why i don't see why balkman can't be there on the floor with shump (or davis when he comes back), melo, amare and TC


Oh, I agree Balkman should take Walker's mins, but I don't think he should be on the floor if Melo isn't
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Re: 1/16 Orlando Postgame thread 

Post#270 » by br7knicks » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:58 pm

TKF wrote:
KnicksScholar24 wrote:You are wrong.


no he is not.. tyson fought him for position and made dwight either foul or throw up trash..


TC did the best job any one person could've done against howard. howard can't do much offensively without his athleticism, and TC exploited his limited offensive abilities
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Re: 1/16 Orlando Postgame thread 

Post#271 » by mpharris36 » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:58 pm

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mpharris36 wrote:.whats the problem with starting novak at the 2?


ARE YOU SERIOUS?!

Novak is a power forward who can't defend any position on the floor, but it makes sense to throw him out there at the 2 and watch him get run around by every opposing shooting guard in the NBA.


dude i wasn't entirely serious but we have started 13 games with landry at the 2....he can't stay in front of any 2 guard either so whats you point?

Maybe you could play a zone which chandler is really good at.
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Re: 1/16 Orlando Postgame thread 

Post#272 » by GONYK » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:58 pm

MaseInYourFace wrote:Can novak defend guards? For what it's worth neither can Fields...

Novak can't defend any position. Fields is a much better defender.

We really have to stop jumping to hyperbole around here.
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Re: 1/16 Orlando Postgame thread 

Post#273 » by mpharris36 » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:59 pm

MaseInYourFace wrote:Can novak defend guards? For what it's worth neither can Fields...


This

I wasn't entirely serious with starting novak at the 2...but he is more of a 2 offensively then fields and its not like fields is stopping anyone defensively!
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Re: 1/16 Orlando Postgame thread 

Post#274 » by MaseInYourFace » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:59 pm

GONYK wrote:
MaseInYourFace wrote:Can novak defend guards? For what it's worth neither can Fields...

Novak can't defend any position. Fields is a much better defender.

We really have to stop jumping to hyperbole around here.


Well it's kinda like saying he's a better defender than a chair, no?

Fields needs to come off the bench as a 3. He'd be so much better...
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Re: 1/16 Orlando Postgame thread 

Post#275 » by br7knicks » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:00 pm

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normally i'd agree with you. but here are my points.

balkman is apparently now shooting better. so why can't he do the things that the rest of the offense is told to do: stand there and just stay open?

now that being said, does walker do anything balkman can't on offense? the offense is everyone stand around the perimeter and watch melo shoot. balkman can do that.

ok, now that that's out of the way, why can't balkman/melo switch? can't melo play the 2? he hits 3's, can play off the ball. balkman playing the 2 can create match up problems for the defense.

my main point is just that, i don't think walker does anything balkman can't do, which is why i don't see why balkman can't be there on the floor with shump (or davis when he comes back), melo, amare and TC


Oh, I agree Balkman should take Walker's mins, but I don't think he should be on the floor if Melo isn't


but that's what i said. put balkman out there with melo
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Re: 1/16 Orlando Postgame thread 

Post#276 » by AllanHoustonFan » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:00 pm

Should I even watch this game on the encore?
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Re: 1/16 Orlando Postgame thread 

Post#277 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:00 pm

Everyone sh*ts on Fields' defense at shooting guard...wait 'til you see Novak guarding shooting guards.
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Re: 1/16 Orlando Postgame thread 

Post#278 » by GONYK » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:00 pm

MaseInYourFace wrote:
GONYK wrote:
MaseInYourFace wrote:Can novak defend guards? For what it's worth neither can Fields...

Novak can't defend any position. Fields is a much better defender.

We really have to stop jumping to hyperbole around here.


Well it's kinda like saying he's a better defender than a chair, no?

Fields needs to come off the bench as a 3. He'd be so much better...

I agree on Fields, but Novak should never be starting for an NBA team
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Re: 1/16 Orlando Postgame thread 

Post#279 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:00 pm

AllanHoustonFan wrote:Should I even watch this game on the encore?


Honestly, aside from the 4th quarter, it wasn't that bad. The only problem throughout the entire game was our inability to chase their shooters off the line.
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Re: 1/16 Orlando Postgame thread 

Post#280 » by GONYK » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:01 pm

AllanHoustonFan wrote:Should I even watch this game on the encore?

As long as you stop at the 7 min mark in the 4th, sure

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