Around the nba part 7

[Rasho Brezec]

Young guys should be judged on their potential mixed with how they look in NBA games, and whether they're performing. Game-to-game consistency is not as indicative. But you can't look at one good game from Dragic all year, or simply look at Rubio's Euro highlights ... or the fact that his name is alliterative or that he looks like a pre-teen girl's pinup poster.

So you can make assumptions on players based on their high points as long as it's players you like? Got it.

[Rasho Brezec]

In fairness that thread was before Rubios acl injury... And rasho its your opinion to prefer whoever our whatever the hell you want that doesn't make you right... Besides everyone knows you're biased to European players anyway... So slow your roll chief.

Lol, take back your race card. I like smart players, that's it.

[Fury]

In fairness that thread was before Rubios acl injury... And rasho its your opinion to prefer whoever our whatever the hell you want that doesn't make you right... Besides everyone knows you're biased to European players anyway... So slow your roll chief.

Lol, take back your race card. I like smart players, that's it.

So now European players are the only ones that are smart, huh?!

[JohnStockton]

Lin and Rubio are both going to be all-stars. If Ricky can get to his lateral quickness he had last year he is the best defensive PG in the league. Also, if he ever can shoot in the mid 40s he'll be a top 3 PG.

[Rasho Brezec]

In fairness that thread was before Rubios acl injury... And rasho its your opinion to prefer whoever our whatever the hell you want that doesn't make you right... Besides everyone knows you're biased to European players anyway... So slow your roll chief.

Lol, take back your race card. I like smart players, that's it.

So now European players are the only ones that are smart, huh?!

Only if you believe ibraheim's false assumption that I'm biased to European players.

[Vorikan]

Lin and Rubio are both going to be all-stars. If Ricky can get to his lateral quickness he had last year he is the best defensive PG in the league. Also, if he ever can shoot in the mid 40s he'll be a top 3 PG.

Would still give BOTH for prime YOU.

[Getouttahea22]

@Gettinitdone I think overzealous or belligerent posts probably don't help to make the case for Lin (Note: I'm a fan of Lin). Do you think Quick Kick convinced many people that Lin is a scrub when he was trolling earlier?

Anyways, as far as Lin-Rubio-Jennings is concerned, I like Lin and Rubio but my vote goes for Lin. I think he's a nice median between "Lemme get mine" Jennings and "I struggle to get mine but I can get others theirs!" Rubio. Each has his strong points.

I think Jennings probably has the best jumpshot of the trio (though Lin could give him a run for his money if he keeps shooting well). Rubio just isn't in the same tier at the moment as those two imo. However, on defense I think it goes Rubio, Lin, then Jennings. In terms of handle i think Rubio has the advantage and Lin might be the weakest (though I'm not sure about Jennings.

In terms of court vision I think Rubio might have the edge over Lin (but I think Lin's court vision has been impressive this year, which is interesting because I thought court vision was one of those qualities that is difficult to improve...). I guess if you consider finding one's own shot jennings has it too . I think Lin probably has the best finishing ability.


In terms of physical attributes I like Lin's combination of size, strength, and athleticism, then Rubio, then Jennings. Overall I think Lin has the edge when all these factors are taken into account.

[K_ick_God]

Young guys should be judged on their potential mixed with how they look in NBA games, and whether they're performing. Game-to-game consistency is not as indicative. But you can't look at one good game from Dragic all year, or simply look at Rubio's Euro highlights ... or the fact that his name is alliterative or that he looks like a pre-teen girl's pinup poster.

So you can make assumptions on players based on their high points as long as it's players you like? Got it.

As long as they're not very rare.

EDIT: And it's important to get a handle on what the player's worst games are like. You take stock of the highs and lows but recognize they're likely to even out. But it's not a science. It's judgment while also seeing how the numbers and real play impact how you evaluate the guy.

You wouldn't want to compare Lin's highs to Rubio's or Goran's. He'd blow theirs away. And all three guys have had in the same ballpark number of games started. Now that wouldn't mean everything in all cases. I'm not a numbers guy really. But the performances do matter and have to inform your judgment.

It's like expecting Gallo will one day be a great shooter and passer. He has had enough of a history to realize that ain't happening ... unless he changes leagues.

[Thugger HBC]

Is the race card seriously being used?

I know I'm not reading that.

[K_ick_God]

Is the race card seriously being used?

I know I'm not reading that.

I don't know about the race card but two things:

1. I don't think Rasho would be so steadfast in supporting Rubio if he was from Indiana and went to Perdue, Gallo if he was from Ohio and went to Rutgers, or Goran if he was from Virginia and went to LIU.

2. I think Lin being underrated has something to do with his race. Not from Rasho necessarily but in general. It's not the only thing or even perhaps the main thing, but it's in the mix. Harvard, race, undrafted and Linsanity itself are the main factors I can see. Linsanity is now viewed as some kind of Rudy story. It wasn't. The guy is a baller.

Oh, but I do want to add that I think Lin has an awkward delivery. His jumper is far from smooth, pretty or pure. He has some awkward layup releases. He doesn't look that great doing what he does. But so what. Neither did Mark Jackson. He was far from smooth. And I've seen guys who were really smooth who were pretty bad.

[Rasho Brezec]

If Tim Duncan was from Liechtenstein, I'd be a Spurs fan.

[chales_zed]

gettinitdone.

I'm also a Lin fan. Please, stop spamming about him. You're doing him a disservice by trying to cheer him on all the time and rub salt in our wounds.

Lin was never going to be the difference between the Knicks and Heat. Felton is a better fit with his better ball-handling but yes, I believe Lin is the significantly better overall PG. Nonetheless Lin wouldn't be the difference maker between the Knicks and Heat.

Holy **** that facial by Kenyon Martin was amazing.

Felton playing well tonight, but I still don't like him, I don't think I could ever root for guys like Felton or JR. Anyways moving on...

[Greenie]

His usage rate was 27.5 last night. That's good enough for top 20 usage rates in the NBA. If that's not ball dominant I don't know what is.

Ball dominance is one of the defining features of the top playmakers and "real" PG's.

He dominates the ball and gets people good looks. He did that last night. The Rockets all got into the mix and on the board. That's good right?

Aaaaand we've finally reached the inevitable place where bringing Jeremy Lin up in comparison to the Knicks leads.

Everyone and their mother knows we aren't going to run our offense through Jeremy Lin with Melo on the team.

Lin was not going to be our leader, and he was never going to become our Rondo. He was never going to be the player that all the others followed into battle. This is Melo's team, for better or worse.

This. Bottom line, he was not going to run this team. Felton don't even do that.

[Greenie]

I can only hope that next year this conversation ends.

[HarthorneWingo]

Is the race card seriously being used?

I know I'm not reading that.

I don't know about the race card but two things:

1. I don't think Rasho would be so steadfast in supporting Rubio if he was from Indiana and went to Perdue, Gallo if he was from Ohio and went to Rutgers, or Goran if he was from Virginia and went to LIU.

2. I think Lin being underrated has something to do with his race. Not from Rasho necessarily but in general. It's not the only thing or even perhaps the main thing, but it's in the mix. Harvard, race, undrafted and Linsanity itself are the main factors I can see. Linsanity is now viewed as some kind of Rudy story. It wasn't. The guy is a baller.

Oh, but I do want to add that I think Lin has an awkward delivery. His jumper is far from smooth, pretty or pure. He has some awkward layup releases. He doesn't look that great doing what he does. But so what. Neither did Mark Jackson. He was far from smooth. And I've seen guys who were really smooth who were pretty bad.

Lin's jumper looks smooth enough to me. You make him sound like Ronnie Brewer.

http://youtu.be/Zb22lzH8hTg

[knicks94]

If the Lakers make it to the playoffs D'antoni deserves to be the coach of the year for helping his team overcome all of the adversity they've gone through this season.

[Brooklyn_Yards]

I feel bad for Dirk he's given Dallas everything and they've surrounded him with shyt.

[ibraheim718]

In fairness that thread was before Rubios acl injury... And rasho its your opinion to prefer whoever our whatever the hell you want that doesn't make you right... Besides everyone knows you're biased to European players anyway... So slow your roll chief.

Lol, take back your race card. I like smart players, that's it.

Rasho.. I don't mean it in it bad way.. you should be as biased to european ball players as I am to Puerto Rican baseball players. Don't take offense it's just something that is given.

[ibraheim718]

I can only hope that next year this conversation ends.

With his story.. the hysteria.. the time magazine covers.. the documentary... the acts etched in video it is NEVER ending.

[Brooklyn_Yards]

If the Lakers make it to the playoffs D'antoni deserves to be the coach of the year for helping his team overcome all of the adversity they've gone through this season.