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will34 wrote:Prefer Sanders...if he doesn't win nom I will vote Trump. If Trump doesn't run I will vote 3rd party. Wouldn't vote Clinton with a gun to my head.
Knicks_Fan2 wrote:Moose wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:
This last week was the last nail in the coffin. He will never be the nominee. There will be an open convention.
Hillary is winning anyway, so the best thing the Republicans can do is reform and save their party. An open convention may be best in the long run.
And if they become slightly more moderate and less emotional on social issues, even by simply saying, let the states decide, they would be in much better shape.
Hillary is the only person that can stop Hillary.
I personally do not favor any of these candidates. This all seems pretty embarrassing. At least Obama represented something larger, although he too, I was not a fan of.
Open convention likely means an open revolt against the party. IMO, the best worst-case scenario at this point for the Republican party is for Trump to win the nomination, get his ass kicked by Hillary, and those supporters of Trump that clearly want something different will see that the lesser evil is to just support the Republican establishment. I am a Democrat and even I know that Hillary is not a good candidate but I see nobody on the Republican side (given the current math) beating her this year but she will easily beatable in 4 yrs. While a contested convention is not a new occurrence, I find it hard to believe that in this day and age it will be something isn't met with vicious opposition.
On the Republican nominees currently, I think I would be most disgusted with Trump winning just because it boggles my mind that anybody actually think he knows what the F*** he's ever talking about on any of the issues. Even if Cruz is hyper conservative, it's clear that he's smart, has a real vision, and would work hard to make it happen...even if I don't believe in that vision. Trump is just a clown.
nykballa2k4 wrote:will34 wrote:Prefer Sanders...if he doesn't win nom I will vote Trump. If Trump doesn't run I will vote 3rd party. Wouldn't vote Clinton with a gun to my head.
I genuinely don't know what makes a person vote for Trump. What are your reasons if you don't mind?
HarthorneWingo wrote:Knicks_Fan2 wrote:Moose wrote:
Hillary is winning anyway, so the best thing the Republicans can do is reform and save their party. An open convention may be best in the long run.
And if they become slightly more moderate and less emotional on social issues, even by simply saying, let the states decide, they would be in much better shape.
Hillary is the only person that can stop Hillary.
I personally do not favor any of these candidates. This all seems pretty embarrassing. At least Obama represented something larger, although he too, I was not a fan of.
Open convention likely means an open revolt against the party. IMO, the best worst-case scenario at this point for the Republican party is for Trump to win the nomination, get his ass kicked by Hillary, and those supporters of Trump that clearly want something different will see that the lesser evil is to just support the Republican establishment. I am a Democrat and even I know that Hillary is not a good candidate but I see nobody on the Republican side (given the current math) beating her this year but she will easily beatable in 4 yrs. While a contested convention is not a new occurrence, I find it hard to believe that in this day and age it will be something isn't met with vicious opposition.
On the Republican nominees currently, I think I would be most disgusted with Trump winning just because it boggles my mind that anybody actually think he knows what the F*** he's ever talking about on any of the issues. Even if Cruz is hyper conservative, it's clear that he's smart, has a real vision, and would work hard to make it happen...even if I don't believe in that vision. Trump is just a clown.
I think Trump could possibly beat Hillary. Last time I checked the poll numbers were pretty close. Plus, there are a lot of Bernie supporter who just hate Hillary and won't vote for her.
Knicks_Fan2 wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:Knicks_Fan2 wrote:
Open convention likely means an open revolt against the party. IMO, the best worst-case scenario at this point for the Republican party is for Trump to win the nomination, get his ass kicked by Hillary, and those supporters of Trump that clearly want something different will see that the lesser evil is to just support the Republican establishment. I am a Democrat and even I know that Hillary is not a good candidate but I see nobody on the Republican side (given the current math) beating her this year but she will easily beatable in 4 yrs. While a contested convention is not a new occurrence, I find it hard to believe that in this day and age it will be something isn't met with vicious opposition.
On the Republican nominees currently, I think I would be most disgusted with Trump winning just because it boggles my mind that anybody actually think he knows what the F*** he's ever talking about on any of the issues. Even if Cruz is hyper conservative, it's clear that he's smart, has a real vision, and would work hard to make it happen...even if I don't believe in that vision. Trump is just a clown.
I think Trump could possibly beat Hillary. Last time I checked the poll numbers were pretty close. Plus, there are a lot of Bernie supporter who just hate Hillary and won't vote for her.
Not that close and bernie supporters wont materially go to trump. Come on man.
HarthorneWingo wrote:How the GOP plans to stop Trump
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/features/2016-03-14/how-to-steal-a-nomination-from-donald-trump
will34 wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:How the GOP plans to stop Trump
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/features/2016-03-14/how-to-steal-a-nomination-from-donald-trump
Would be the end of the GOP.
HarthorneWingo wrote:will34 wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:How the GOP plans to stop Trump
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/features/2016-03-14/how-to-steal-a-nomination-from-donald-trump
Would be the end of the GOP.
Funny, if you recall, after the '12 election there was this whole GOP post mortem period during which they proclaimed that they just had to make their message clearer and bring in Latinos because, admittedly, they couldn't win without the Latino vote. Not quite working out that way.
IllmaticHandler wrote:ITGM wrote:IllmaticHandler wrote:Hail Trump!
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oe8aLgbO98[/youtube]
It's clear that THUG was antagonizing that law abiding good Christian man. Can you and your people please stop using the Race Card?
Thnx
me and my people huh? FOH.
I can tell your a clown cause you called the woman a thug and that she was attacking the man.
E86 wrote:Capn'O wrote:E86 wrote:I'm Latino and I like trump.
I’m curious as to why. And not in the “leading question down a long series of berating responses” sort of way. I actually want to hear this perspective. Would be happy to discuss via PM.
because I'm a nationalist. I think it's important to secure the border, I live on Staten Island the dope capital and I'm sick of the **** opportunistic drug pushers are up to and I know where it's coming from. I like the fact that other world leaders fear trump, I respect strong leadership and that's a cultural thing. I'll never vote democrat again because as I got older I realized, no matter what, rich white people will try to exploit me but democrats are actively handicapping my people from fighting back. When I go back to sunset park I see girls I grew up with popping out babies because they get to avoid having a job. White democrats look at us like we're sick puppies that just need a hand and it's so goddamn condescending. NAFTA and globalism hurt my people just as it hurts all races who can't find jobs. I can stand and I do stand on my own, I'm not a social experiment. But that's just my perspective.
Bill Pidto wrote:IllmaticHandler wrote:**** Trump
He speaks to the ignorance of America. A large portion of his campaign is based off racism.
Google the word 'nationalism'
Different than racism.
Ignorance is accepting and trusting in the leadership we've had for many years now. Before Obama and before Bush. Before both Bush's. Ignorance is firmly believing Hilary Clinton is going to help right the ship. Ignorance is believing that socialism is the answer. There are serious, SERIOUS issues at play here, that most Americans are still completely unaware of. Trump may not be an angel, but he is by far the most believable candidate I've ever seen, and at least on the surface, he represents a possible answer to some of the atrocities committed by "the establishment" (I love how that's just a media buzzword now)
Trump is funding his own campaign, speaking out against corporations, special interests, the lying media and lying politicians... and both sides are scared of him and are trying to sabatoge him. That's a red badge of honor for me.
It's funny.... people have been laughing at "conspiracy theorists" for years, and now much of those theories are playing out in plain sight, and you even have globalists like Hilary Clinton admitting that "the economy is rigged" as part of her campaign. It's a joke.
I thought for sure Alex Jones of all people would find a way to say that Trump is some how an Illuminati puppet designed to disrupt or whatever..... but even Alex Jones has thrown his full support behind Trump. Something big is happening here.
When Trump talks about people who come up to him and tell him they've never voted in their lives, but are finally going to vote now.... I'm one of those people.
Mike Breen wrote:I knew I shouldn't have clicked on this thread. Lost a lot of respect for several posters whom I have otherwise respected.
Mike Breen wrote:I knew I shouldn't have clicked on this thread. Lost a lot of respect for several posters whom I have otherwise respected.
HarthorneWingo wrote:will34 wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:How the GOP plans to stop Trump
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/features/2016-03-14/how-to-steal-a-nomination-from-donald-trump
Would be the end of the GOP.
Funny, if you recall, after the '12 election there was this whole GOP post mortem period during which they proclaimed that they just had to make their message clearer and bring in Latinos because, admittedly, they couldn't win without the Latino vote. Not quite working out that way.
Mike Breen wrote:I knew I shouldn't have clicked on this thread. Lost a lot of respect for several posters whom I have otherwise respected.
Capn'O wrote:I wonder what Paul Reed's feelings are about metal bats.