Star Wars Episode VIII - SPOILERS

BLACKFEET 2010 · Post #261 » by **BLACKFEET 2010** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 12:42 am

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IllmaticHandler · Post #262 » by **IllmaticHandler** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 12:50 am

BLACKFEET 2010 wrote:
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This movie is Trash. That Leia scene? And non of these characters are really developed im sorry. You think because Rey can use the force she is developed? Kylo Ren is the worst SW villain of all time. dude is a spoiled brat. You call that a developing character? That Mofo is the same dude from last movie. Just because he killed Snook, is not some " oh he has grown up moment" Darth Maul never uttered a word...and was better . A s a Blackman, I had high hopes for Finn, but he is a waaaack character as well.I can go on and on about what is wrong with this movie. Lol @ creating Snook, then have him go out that fast. Defeated by a cat who is WEAK IN THE FORCE. This mofo Ren would still be a padawan back in the days. His grasp of the force is Youngling level, and he pulls a fast one on a so called master? SMH

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theres a line of thought that Snoke was projecting himself the entire time and that he isn’t actually dead. He went out like a sucker though as did Phasma who’s like a big deal in The First Order.

Agreed on Finn too but I think I’m Episode 9 his character will take on a more central role. He’s too good a character to be wasted; too many possibilities where he can be taken to just let him be scaredy-cat buffoon/reluctant hero

I love what they’re doing with Kylo. His uncle tried to kill him. So he ended up trying to kill him instead and destroying everything. He’s naturally jacked up in the head behind it. Like a kid being mollested by his coach/Uncle. He’s given Snoke “everything” and hates that he’s still so incomplete. Snoke only values his bloodline and his lure/connection with Rey. So he naturally hates all that “old ish” probably even (if not mostly) the specter of Vader and his legendary greatness that he’ll never be able to live up to. Hates his dad, his uncle and Snoke all the same. But not his mom. Not Rey. He’s hurting for real. Well Star Wars for real lol

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NBA Fan 1234 · Post #263 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:07 am

BLACKFEET 2010 wrote:
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and it’s obvious Kylo was lying about Rey’s parents. That’s what Star Wars do: lie about who’s the daddy. I think it’s probably the most anticlimactic theory but just like how Luke was sent to live as a peasant while Leia with royalty, Rey was sent off because she got that real Vader potential moreso than Ben. While Ben grew up the princess’s kid with all of the grand expectations, Rey was the one with that Anakin streak.
They’re brother and sister.

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Smash3 · Post #264 » by **Smash3** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:22 am

Like I said, most of the people who watched Star Wars growing up will tell you this movie is trash:

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Fury · Post #265 » by **Fury** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:39 am

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IllmaticHandler · Post #266 » by **IllmaticHandler** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:41 am

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From what I gather, people are basically butthurt that Luke isnt an infallible Boy Scout and Rey doesn’t come from Star Wars royalty? You can’t complain about characters not developing then complain about a Luke who is way more interesting

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Fury · Post #267 » by **Fury** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:43 am

IllmaticHandler wrote:
Fury wrote:
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From what I gather, people are basically butthurt that Luke isnt an infallible Boy Scout and Rey doesn’t come from Star Wars royalty? You can’t complain about characters not developing then complain about a Luke who is way more interesting

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WIll you please STHU with this butthurt ****. Are you **** telling me people cant like the movie for VALID reason. You sound crazy fury. You just want to have something to say. Have you never disliked a movie that others liked. FOH

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IllmaticHandler · Post #268 » by **IllmaticHandler** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:43 am

Smash3 wrote:Like I said, most of the people who watched Star Wars growing up will tell you this movie is trash:

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Some examples:

* Luke being turned into a bum hiding out in the middle of no where:

Force Awakens fans, or people who started watching star wars from that point reaction's: Interesting

Old school fans: That's not Luke

* Luke trying to kill Kylo

FA: That's so cool, so in reality Kylo was betrayed by Luke, oh damn...

SW: How did Luke go from trying to save Vader who was an actual villain to going; ahhh sheet this teenager gotta go?

* Snoke showing up for 5 minutes then dying

FA: That was great, the way Ren tricked him there.. Wow what a twist...

SW: That's stupid, how is this Sith lord who's supposed to be this strong not even sensing the ridiculously weaker Ren trying to take him out?

Lol you saying everything I am saying. Its so obvious man the flaws man...smh.

IllmaticHandler · Post #269 » by **IllmaticHandler** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:45 am

Fury wrote:
IllmaticHandler wrote:
Fury wrote:
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From what I gather, people are basically butthurt that Luke isnt an infallible Boy Scout and Rey doesn’t come from Star Wars royalty? You can’t complain about characters not developing then complain about a Luke who is way more interesting

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WIll you please STHU with this butthurt ****. Are you **** telling me people cant like the movie for VALID reason. You sound crazy fury. You just want to have something to say. Have you never disliked a movie that others liked. FOH

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That’s fine. Keep hating. In general tho, that’s what I’m seeing.

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Fury · Post #270 » by **Fury** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:52 am

IllmaticHandler wrote:
Fury wrote:
IllmaticHandler wrote:
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WIll you please STHU with this butthurt ****. Are you **** telling me people cant like the movie for VALID reason. You sound crazy fury. You just want to have something to say. Have you never disliked a movie that others liked. FOH

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That’s fine. Keep hating. In general tho, that’s what I’m seeing.

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Honestly you a self admittedly casual fan. I don't even take your critique with any validity to be honest. You are not attached to the movie. Its not hating at all.

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IllmaticHandler · Post #271 » by **IllmaticHandler** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:52 am

Knickstape1214 wrote:
shtolky wrote:
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AND just because she's force sensitive, which is all she was - she never used the force in the current canon, does not mean she automatically has control of her abilities. She's just like every other unrefined force-sensitive being.

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This is fun seeing all the spoiler tags. My response to that is, we've seen untrained people use the force before. Luke in A New Hope on the Falcon when he deflects the blaster bolt, and when he blows up the Death Star. I would say Leia had more force training simply by being around Luke for decades post Return of the Jedi than Luke had from Obi Wan in A New Hope. And we had Rey use a mind trick on the Daniel Craig stormtrooper and at the end against Kylo Ren in the forest. And Leia has used the force before, just mentally, but I don't see a difference between the mental and the physical. She communicates with Luke at the end of Empire, and "feels" that he's still alive at the end of Jedi. I just don't see the uproar with that scene. I thought it was actually long overdue and awesome. I just think a lot of the things people have an issue with were so out of left field that it left people not liking things that weren't bad at all. Just my opinion. Try and see it a 2nd time.

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I knew you were gonna bring up the untrained users thing and I honestly don't have an answer for it. Still...her being indestructible and surviving in space seemed off. I think her feeling something is way different from actually using the force. Not sure how to explain it, though. She never had training (I know, Rey didn't either)...and now she's doing something we've literally never seen in any iteration of SW anywhere? That's bizarre.

On a positive note, Porgs are awesome, the brief clip we saw of Luke's temple was cool / more on Ben and why he turned was cool (but we needed more temple...wayyyy more, I think), I thought Canto Bight was cool, loved the boy using the force at the end and thought that was a cool tease for the future, I think Rose was a good character, I thought Holdo was a good character (but they did a bad job with her - she couldn't tell Poe her plan...? really?), and I LOVE how powerful they made Luke. Luke being able to project himself across the galaxy made the entire movie for me.

Gonna be busy the next couple of months, but if I have time I might. If not, I'll definitely rewatch it like I do all other SW movies/shows.

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Smash3 · Post #272 » by **Smash3** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:52 am

Fury wrote:
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From what I gather, people are basically butthurt that Luke isnt an infallible Boy Scout and Rey doesn’t come from Star Wars royalty? You can’t complain about characters not developing then complain about a Luke who is way more interesting

Also the whole purpose of that Finn sub plot is to get him on board and truly open is eyes about what’s taking place. We also get DJ introduced and there’s no doubt the casino Casablanca arms dealers **** will be a factor in the third movie

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Smash3 · Post #273 » by **Smash3** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:54 am

IllmaticHandler wrote:
Smash3 wrote:Like I said, most of the people who watched Star Wars growing up will tell you this movie is trash:

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Some examples:

* Luke being turned into a bum hiding out in the middle of no where:

Force Awakens fans, or people who started watching star wars from that point reaction's: Interesting

Old school fans: That's not Luke

* Luke trying to kill Kylo

FA: That's so cool, so in reality Kylo was betrayed by Luke, oh damn...

SW: How did Luke go from trying to save Vader who was an actual villain to going; ahhh sheet this teenager gotta go?

* Snoke showing up for 5 minutes then dying

FA: That was great, the way Ren tricked him there.. Wow what a twist...

SW: That's stupid, how is this Sith lord who's supposed to be this strong not even sensing the ridiculously weaker Ren trying to take him out?

Lol you saying everything I am saying. Its so obvious man the flaws man...smh.

Yup, the flaws basically take you out of the movie

IllmaticHandler · Post #274 » by **IllmaticHandler** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:58 am

Fury wrote:
IllmaticHandler wrote:
Fury wrote:
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That’s fine. Keep hating. In general tho, that’s what I’m seeing.

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Honestly you a self admittedly casual fan. I don't even take your critique with any validity to be honest. You are not attached to the movie. Its not hating at all.

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ive seen all the movies before this I just never found them super awesome. I’m not some force awakens just started kinda thing smash was talking about. You’re right, I’m not attached tho but that doesn’t mean I can’t tell a good movie from a bad one. So you can only talk about the movie if you’re a Super fan? Come on man.

You’re right tho, your fandom doesn’t mean you can’t either but there’s too many all or nothing critiques. Like if this wasn’t good the whole movie was trash. That’s crazy.

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Fury · Post #275 » by **Fury** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:59 am

Smash3 wrote:
Fury wrote:
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From what I gather, people are basically butthurt that Luke isnt an infallible Boy Scout and Rey doesn’t come from Star Wars royalty? You can’t complain about characters not developing then complain about a Luke who is way more interesting

Also the whole purpose of that Finn sub plot is to get him on board and truly open is eyes about what’s taking place. We also get DJ introduced and there’s no doubt the casino Casablanca arms dealers **** will be a factor in the third movie

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The Luke part is just schitty/flawed writing, how are you calling people buthurt for a character doing a 180 in his reasonings and actions? It’s not like he got jaded or went through anything crazy before he became cool with killing teenagers in their sleep.

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Fury · Post #276 » by **Fury** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:01 am

IllmaticHandler wrote:
Fury wrote:
IllmaticHandler wrote:
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Honestly you a self admittedly casual fan. I don't even take your critique with any validity to be honest. You are not attached to the movie. Its not hating at all.

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ive seen all the movies before this I just never found them super awesome. I’m not some force awakens just started kinda thing smash was talking about. You’re right, I’m not attached tho but that doesn’t mean I can’t tell a good movie from a bad one. So you can only talk about the movie if you’re a Super fan? Come on man.

You’re right tho, your fandom doesn’t mean you can’t either but there’s too many all or nothing critiques. Like if this wasn’t good the whole movie was trash. That’s crazy.

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Who said you just watched it...but thats my point. You NEVER found them super awesome. Said no Die hard fan ever. So you are proving my point that you view this in a whole different scope than a die hard fan.Well saying its trash to me is accurate. I personally find really nothing good about the movie. I don't even care to watch again.

I think Wrestling is kinda weak, but you love it....I dont find it entertaining, but you do. Thats the point I am making. I dont have the attachment you do to wrestling.

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NBA Fan 1234 · Post #277 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:10 am

Fury wrote:
Smash3 wrote:
Fury wrote:
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From what I gather, people are basically butthurt that Luke isnt an infallible Boy Scout and Rey doesn’t come from Star Wars royalty? You can’t complain about characters not developing then complain about a Luke who is way more interesting

Also the whole purpose of that Finn sub plot is to get him on board and truly open is eyes about what’s taking place. We also get DJ introduced and there’s no doubt the casino Casablanca arms dealers **** will be a factor in the third movie

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The Luke part is just schitty/flawed writing, how are you calling people buthurt for a character doing a 180 in his reasonings and actions? It’s not like he got jaded or went through anything crazy before he became cool with killing teenagers in their sleep.

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you make it sound like he cocked back the lightsaber and was in the process of doing it. The way he explained it it was just a quick flash in his mind. I’ll have to rewatch what else he says but why would Luke want to deal with another Darth Vader? He ain’t a young idealistic kid anymore. That makes the entire movie bad?! That’s what I mean about “OH LUKE WOULDNT DO THAT! EVERYTHING SUCKS!

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Ill, I knew we'd feel the same way.

Oscirus · Post #278 » by **Oscirus** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:10 am

IllmaticHandler wrote:
BLACKFEET 2010 wrote:
IllmaticHandler wrote:
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This movie is Trash. That Leia scene? And non of these characters are really developed im sorry. You think because Rey can use the force she is developed? Kylo Ren is the worst SW villain of all time. dude is a spoiled brat. You call that a developing character? That Mofo is the same dude from last movie. Just because he killed Snook, is not some " oh he has grown up moment" Darth Maul never uttered a word...and was better . A s a Blackman, I had high hopes for Finn, but he is a waaaack character as well.I can go on and on about what is wrong with this movie. Lol @ creating Snook, then have him go out that fast. Defeated by a cat who is WEAK IN THE FORCE. This mofo Ren would still be a padawan back in the days. His grasp of the force is Youngling level, and he pulls a fast one on a so called master? SMH

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theres a line of thought that Snoke was projecting himself the entire time and that he isn’t actually dead. He went out like a sucker though as did Phasma who’s like a big deal in The First Order.

Agreed on Finn too but I think I’m Episode 9 his character will take on a more central role. He’s too good a character to be wasted; too many possibilities where he can be taken to just let him be scaredy-cat buffoon/reluctant hero

I love what they’re doing with Kylo. His uncle tried to kill him. So he ended up trying to kill him instead and destroying everything. He’s naturally jacked up in the head behind it. Like a kid being mollested by his coach/Uncle. He’s given Snoke “everything” and hates that he’s still so incomplete. Snoke only values his bloodline and his lure/connection with Rey. So he naturally hates all that “old ish” probably even (if not mostly) the specter of Vader and his legendary greatness that he’ll never be able to live up to. Hates his dad, his uncle and Snoke all the same. But not his mom. Not Rey. He’s hurting for real. Well Star Wars for real lol

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. regarding Finn, he was a Janitor, not a Mandalorian warrior , that's crazy he was able to Kill her.

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NBA Fan 1234 · Post #279 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:11 am

Oscirus wrote:
IllmaticHandler wrote:
BLACKFEET 2010 wrote:
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theres a line of thought that Snoke was projecting himself the entire time and that he isn’t actually dead. He went out like a sucker though as did Phasma who’s like a big deal in The First Order.

Agreed on Finn too but I think I’m Episode 9 his character will take on a more central role. He’s too good a character to be wasted; too many possibilities where he can be taken to just let him be scaredy-cat buffoon/reluctant hero

I love what they’re doing with Kylo. His uncle tried to kill him. So he ended up trying to kill him instead and destroying everything. He’s naturally jacked up in the head behind it. Like a kid being mollested by his coach/Uncle. He’s given Snoke “everything” and hates that he’s still so incomplete. Snoke only values his bloodline and his lure/connection with Rey. So he naturally hates all that “old ish” probably even (if not mostly) the specter of Vader and his legendary greatness that he’ll never be able to live up to. Hates his dad, his uncle and Snoke all the same. But not his mom. Not Rey. He’s hurting for real. Well Star Wars for real lol

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. regarding Finn, he was a Janitor, not a Mandalorian warrior , that's crazy he was able to Kill her.

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The book Before the Force shows us that Finn was a bad ass. I believe he was the top 1 percent among all Stormtroopers and would've been promoted if not for his empathetic feelings. Considering,that and the fact that he caught Phasma from behind, it's not too crazy to see how he was able to defeat her.

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Oscirus · Post #280 » by **Oscirus** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:13 am

Knickstape1214 wrote:
BLACKFEET 2010 wrote:
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and it’s obvious Kylo was lying about Rey’s parents. That’s what Star Wars do: lie about who’s the daddy. I think it’s probably the most anticlimactic theory but just like how Luke was sent to live as a peasant while Leia with royalty, Rey was sent off because she got that real Vader potential moreso than Ben. While Ben grew up the princess’s kid with all of the grand expectations, Rey was the one with that Anakin streak.
They’re brother and sister.

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I really hope he was lying. The way he said it actually made me think that he was lying - didn’t sound genuine at all. Give me an Obi Wan relative, PLEASE.

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