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official Melo trade speculation - thread 2

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Re: official Melo trade speculation - thread 2 

Post#261 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Jun 9, 2017 2:52 pm

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HarthorneWingo wrote:http://nypost.com/2017/06/07/nba-experts-carmelo-anthony-not-what-the-cavaliers-need/

[size=200]NBA experts: Carmelo Anthony not what the Cavaliers need[/size]

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“In regards to this series and matching up versus Golden State, I don’t see how Carmelo would have made an impact in this series,’’ said former Nets assistant general manager Bobby Marks, who is now The Vertical’s trade analyst. “The defensive side of the ball would have been a major issue since Cleveland would not be able to hide him. Plus who does he guard? Draymond [Green]. Carmelo at this stage is best in the halfcourt. Ty Lue has made it clear that this Cleveland team is best getting up and down the floor. Plus he would have trouble scoring with [Kevin] Durant or Green on him.”

Indeed, one NBA assistant coach said Anthony is best at isolation and the Warriors’ defense is so ferocious, isolationists and players who don’t move the ball feed into Steve Kerr’s defensive game plan. Also, James is struggling enough with Durant. Imagine Anthony.

Plus, if the Cavaliers had somehow made the Knicks deal, they would have had to depart with Kevin Love, who hasn’t been the problem. In Game 1, Love scored 15 points, along with 21 rebounds and three blocks. He followed that up with 27 points, seven rebounds and two steals on 12-of-23 shooting in Game 2. His minus-8 was second-best on the Cavaliers.

“Anthony would be a great addition to any team. The question is who has to be traded to get him,” said Jeff Van Gundy, the ABC/ESPN analyst and former Knicks coach. “If it was Love, I don’t think that makes sense for Cleveland.”

Cavaliers GM David Griffin refused to even think of parting with the younger Love for Anthony in the winter, but Griffin might be gone soon because his contract is up and he’s reportedly getting interest from the Bucks. But another general manager would have a difficult time dealing for Anthony if Love is not part of the package. The over-the-cap Cavaliers don’t have even first-round picks to peddle and Anthony’s trade kicker balloons his pact to more than $33 million.

“I don’t see any trade of Melo to the Cavs that makes them better and that the Knicks would agree to,’’ one NBA GM said.

THats bs

You don't have to hide Anthony on d any more than love or Irving
Less so in fact

And ISO issues are silly to

On part because ISO is how the cavs play and in part because we've all seen how effective melo is off the ball in the olympics

When he's played with James in the past he's gotten great looks and scored all day

This is a lazy article at best


Yeah, you're right. What do they know anyhow?
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Re: official Melo trade speculation - thread 2 

Post#262 » by moocow007 » Fri Jun 9, 2017 4:38 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
NoLayupRule wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:http://nypost.com/2017/06/07/nba-experts-carmelo-anthony-not-what-the-cavaliers-need/


THats bs

You don't have to hide Anthony on d any more than love or Irving
Less so in fact

And ISO issues are silly to

On part because ISO is how the cavs play and in part because we've all seen how effective melo is off the ball in the olympics

When he's played with James in the past he's gotten great looks and scored all day

This is a lazy article at best


Yeah, you're right. What do they know anyhow?


But that's not the point. The article vilifies Anthony for his lack of defense and inability to guard anyone but then doesn't bother to mention that Love has had the same problem. He then uses Love's stats as a rationale that Love isn't the problem while we know Anthony would put up stats as well. Not saying Anthony is what they need nor that Anthony is anything more than what he is right now but the arguments made isn't consistently sound. It pulls what it needs to fit his argument and ignores what doesn't fit. That's not a sound unbiased opinion piece. If he's going to talk about who Anthony is going to guard, why not talk about what Love has done from that standpoint and the impact that that has had? How about talk about the less than succinct offensive flow/chemistry between James and Love? He's doing the same thing that a lot of guys on this board does...pick a side first then justify it no matter what rather than look at both sides objectively to figure out the right side.
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Re: official Melo trade speculation - thread 2 

Post#263 » by NoLayupRule » Fri Jun 9, 2017 4:57 pm

moocow007 wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
NoLayupRule wrote:THats bs

You don't have to hide Anthony on d any more than love or Irving
Less so in fact

And ISO issues are silly to

On part because ISO is how the cavs play and in part because we've all seen how effective melo is off the ball in the olympics

When he's played with James in the past he's gotten great looks and scored all day

This is a lazy article at best


Yeah, you're right. What do they know anyhow?


But that's not the point. The article vilifies Anthony for his lack of defense and inability to guard anyone but then doesn't bother to mention that Love has had the same problem. He then uses Love's stats as a rationale that Love isn't the problem while we know Anthony would put up stats as well. Not saying Anthony is what they need nor that Anthony is anything more than what he is right now but the arguments made isn't consistently sound. It pulls what it needs to fit his argument and ignores what doesn't fit. That's not a sound unbiased opinion piece. If he's going to talk about who Anthony is going to guard, why not talk about what Love has done from that standpoint and the impact that that has had? How about talk about the less than succinct offensive flow/chemistry between James and Love? He's doing the same thing that a lot of guys on this board does...pick a side first then justify it no matter what rather than look at both sides objectively to figure out the right side.

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Re: official Melo trade speculation - thread 2 

Post#264 » by taj2133 » Fri Jun 9, 2017 5:17 pm

i really starting doubt melo is going to get traded there is not good trade deal from any team just bunch of crap over top role players and we need young guys not guys in there 30
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Re: official Melo trade speculation - thread 2 

Post#265 » by NOOB77 » Fri Jun 9, 2017 5:43 pm

Love to the Pistons for Reggie Jackson, Stanley Johnson and #12
Reggie Jackson, Shumpert and #12 to NY for Melo and O'Quinn


Knicks end up with 2 questionable contracts while getting rid of Melo but adding the 12th pick. Jackson tried to get Jackson twice now :-( lol

Cavs turn Love into Johnson-Quinn-Melo Good return

Pistons get there win now piece
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Re: official Melo trade speculation - thread 2 

Post#266 » by seren » Fri Jun 9, 2017 5:45 pm

Cavs might consider a Love for Melo trade if they can address more issues in their roster. Maybe a Melo/Lee/O'Quinn for Love/Shump/Frye trade might work for them. Shump and Frye have been useless against Golden State.

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Re: official Melo trade speculation - thread 2 

Post#267 » by K_ick_God » Fri Jun 9, 2017 5:50 pm

seren wrote:Cavs might consider a Love for Melo trade if they can address more issues in their roster. Maybe a Melo/Lee/O'Quinn for Love/Shump/Frye trade might work for them. Shump and Frye have been useless against Golden State.

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Love has been pretty useless too. No not terrible but not adding a whole lot that is detectable.
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Post#268 » by seren » Fri Jun 9, 2017 5:53 pm

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seren wrote:Cavs might consider a Love for Melo trade if they can address more issues in their roster. Maybe a Melo/Lee/O'Quinn for Love/Shump/Frye trade might work for them. Shump and Frye have been useless against Golden State.

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Love has been pretty useless too. No not terrible but not adding a whole lot that is detectable.

Certainly nowhere near those two.

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Post#269 » by taj2133 » Fri Jun 9, 2017 5:57 pm

i don't think knick front office want shumpert they already seen him and didn't like what they saw do we want this overated and over pay role player i think not
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Re: official Melo trade speculation - thread 2 

Post#270 » by MrProb » Fri Jun 9, 2017 6:00 pm

Do you think LeBron, Wade or CP3 mock Melo about his defense ? I was hoping to run into LeBron when the Cavs were in town just so I could ask him an honest question about his friend.

As a friend you make fun of your friend's weakness you know? So I wonder if they talk **** to him when they're playing or not
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Re: official Melo trade speculation - thread 2 

Post#271 » by ag3 » Fri Jun 9, 2017 6:15 pm

IMO, Melo will be traded to Cleveland for Love. What Phil does with Love after, I have no clue.
But Melo to Cavs, in my mind, is almost a certainty. Low risk for Cleveland. Melo can opt out of contract after 1 season or ride it out for the next 2 years.
Melo being setup by Lebron would be completely lethal and Melo will definitely buy into Lebron's way of playing.

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Re: official Melo trade speculation - thread 2 

Post#272 » by Rotten Apple » Fri Jun 9, 2017 6:19 pm

MrProb wrote:Do you think LeBron, Wade or CP3 mock Melo about his defense ? I was hoping to run into LeBron when the Cavs were in town just so I could ask him an honest question about his friend.

As a friend you make fun of your friend's weakness you know? So I wonder if they talk **** to him when they're playing or not


No because Melo's defense and honestly most players deficiencies aren't as bad as emphasized.
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Re: official Melo trade speculation - thread 2 

Post#273 » by Rotten Apple » Fri Jun 9, 2017 6:22 pm

Love, Shumpert to Pistons
12, Frye, RJ, Stanley, Cavs 1st to Knicks
Melo, Lee, Morris, KOQ to Cavs

Cavs go

TT/KOQ
Melo/Morris
LeBroom
Lee/JR/Korver
Kyrie

Still have the MLE
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Re: official Melo trade speculation - thread 2 

Post#274 » by ag3 » Fri Jun 9, 2017 6:25 pm

I could see CP3 and Wade also joining Cleveland, if Carmelo is traded there.
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Re: official Melo trade speculation - thread 2 

Post#275 » by BowlRips » Fri Jun 9, 2017 6:27 pm

Keep it simple stupid

Cavs trade: Kevin Love, Iman Shumpert,
Cavs receive: Wilson Chandler, Carmelo Anthony, O'Quinn

Knicks trade: Carmelo Anthony, O'Quinn
Knicks receive: #13, Ricky Rubio

Denver trades: Wilson Chandler, Jameer Nelson, #13
Denver receives: Kevin Love

Minny trades: Ricky Rubio
Minny receives: Iman Shumpert, Jameer Nelson
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Post#276 » by NYKHardKnock » Fri Jun 9, 2017 6:31 pm

BowlRips wrote:Keep it simple stupid

Cavs trade: Love
Cavs receive: Wilson Chandler, Carmelo Anthony, Kyle O'Quinn

Knicks trade: Carmelo Anthony, Kyle O'Quinn
Knicks receive: #13

Denver trades: Wilson Chandler, #13
Denver receives: Kevin Love
Cap? Id take Thompson off their hands although he's owed a **** ton. We could send Lee to Denver to make it work for us. Especially with the way he's playing KOQ with his salary >> Thompson
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Post#277 » by NoLayupRule » Fri Jun 9, 2017 6:32 pm

BowlRips wrote:Keep it simple stupid

Cavs trade: Love
Cavs receive: Wilson Chandler, Carmelo Anthony, Kyle O'Quinn

Knicks trade: Carmelo Anthony, Kyle O'Quinn
Knicks receive: #13

Denver trades: Wilson Chandler, #13
Denver receives: Kevin Love

the issue isnt making a trade work when moving love

he can land plenty of places and we can get value in return. Hell, we can even take him for Melo straight up


however the Cavs have been pretty clear that they dont want to move him
they want to add Melo, supposedly, and keep Love

thats why this is tricky

you need to find destinations for guys like Smith, Shump, Frye, etc and get value in return to us
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Re: official Melo trade speculation - thread 2 

Post#278 » by MrProb » Fri Jun 9, 2017 6:34 pm

Rotten Apple wrote:
MrProb wrote:Do you think LeBron, Wade or CP3 mock Melo about his defense ? I was hoping to run into LeBron when the Cavs were in town just so I could ask him an honest question about his friend.

As a friend you make fun of your friend's weakness you know? So I wonder if they talk **** to him when they're playing or not


No because Melo's defense and honestly most players deficiencies aren't as bad as emphasized.


Personally I think his issue is more of about an effort than the actual defense, his defense is actually pretty good if he tries
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Re: official Melo trade speculation - thread 2 

Post#279 » by BowlRips » Fri Jun 9, 2017 6:37 pm

NoLayupRule wrote:
BowlRips wrote:Keep it simple stupid

Cavs trade: Love
Cavs receive: Wilson Chandler, Carmelo Anthony, Kyle O'Quinn

Knicks trade: Carmelo Anthony, Kyle O'Quinn
Knicks receive: #13

Denver trades: Wilson Chandler, #13
Denver receives: Kevin Love

the issue isnt making a trade work when moving love

he can land plenty of places and we can get value in return. Hell, we can even take him for Melo straight up


however the Cavs have been pretty clear that they dont want to move him
they want to add Melo, supposedly, and keep Love

thats why this is tricky

you need to find destinations for guys like Smith, Shump, Frye, etc and get value in return to us


I think its possible.
Check this out from around the deadline.. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2694210-cavaliers-rumors-trade-buzz-surrounding-ricky-rubio-iman-shumpert-and-more
hmmmm I cant see why the Cavs would want a guy like Rubio.. well maybe cause its part of an NYK deal.
If Shumpert can be flipped for Rubio then what could you flip Tristan for?
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Re: official Melo trade speculation - thread 2 

Post#280 » by Sark » Fri Jun 9, 2017 6:42 pm

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seren wrote:Cavs might consider a Love for Melo trade if they can address more issues in their roster. Maybe a Melo/Lee/O'Quinn for Love/Shump/Frye trade might work for them. Shump and Frye have been useless against Golden State.

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Love has been pretty useless too. No not terrible but not adding a whole lot that is detectable.



He's the only rebounder they have besides Lebron. There is no way they could replace that type of rebounding if they trade Love.

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