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Re: Immanuel Quickley to the Knicks @ 25 

Post#261 » by 2010 » Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:00 pm

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2010 wrote:I've been watching a lot of full games to evaluate Quickley outside of highlights. Man, he reminds me of Chauncey Billups. He is not just a shooter, he is a gamer. Just has a winning quality about him. And he is very poised. Then you factor in he is an excellent free throw shooter and a solid defender, and it becomes clear he has the attributes of a player who finishes games. This pick will end up being underrated when all is said and done.


Well, Billups took until the second half of his 20s to figure it out. If Quickley is the next Billups, he'll be winning finals MVPs and making all-star teams for someone else.

My father actually randomly saw Billups in a pre-draft workout with some other prospects at a gym in Stamford, CT. He had no idea who Billups was, but he came home and asked me if I had heard of a guard from Colorado who was going to be in the draft, because Billups was by far the best player in the workout and my father overheard someone say he was from Colorado.


When evaluating a young player, examining their skill set, and pegging a comp, the learning curve of the players are irrelevant. Billups himself is on record as simply stating he wasn't ready. That doesn't necessarily mean IQ will follow the exact same trials and tribulations or accolades.
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Re: Immanuel Quickley to the Knicks @ 25 

Post#262 » by ellobo » Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:08 pm

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2010 wrote:I've been watching a lot of full games to evaluate Quickley outside of highlights. Man, he reminds me of Chauncey Billups. He is not just a shooter, he is a gamer. Just has a winning quality about him. And he is very poised. Then you factor in he is an excellent free throw shooter and a solid defender, and it becomes clear he has the attributes of a player who finishes games. This pick will end up being underrated when all is said and done.


Well, Billups took until the second half of his 20s to figure it out. If Quickley is the next Billups, he'll be winning finals MVPs and making all-star teams for someone else.

My father actually randomly saw Billups in a pre-draft workout with some other prospects at a gym in Stamford, CT. He had no idea who Billups was, but he came home and asked me if I had heard of a guard from Colorado who was going to be in the draft, because Billups was by far the best player in the workout and my father overheard someone say he was from Colorado.


When evaluating a young player, examining their skill set, and pegging a comp, the learning curve of the players are irrelevant. Billups himself is on record as simply stating he wasn't ready. That doesn't necessarily mean IQ will follow the exact same trials and tribulations or accolades.


Agreed about player evaluation. I was just expressing well-earned Knicks' fan pessimism. If we drafted Jordan, we'd trade him away after three years for not being good enough to get us past the first round.
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Re: Immanuel Quickley to the Knicks @ 25 

Post#263 » by 2010 » Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:32 pm

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Well, Billups took until the second half of his 20s to figure it out. If Quickley is the next Billups, he'll be winning finals MVPs and making all-star teams for someone else.

My father actually randomly saw Billups in a pre-draft workout with some other prospects at a gym in Stamford, CT. He had no idea who Billups was, but he came home and asked me if I had heard of a guard from Colorado who was going to be in the draft, because Billups was by far the best player in the workout and my father overheard someone say he was from Colorado.


When evaluating a young player, examining their skill set, and pegging a comp, the learning curve of the players are irrelevant. Billups himself is on record as simply stating he wasn't ready. That doesn't necessarily mean IQ will follow the exact same trials and tribulations or accolades.


Agreed about player evaluation. I was just expressing well-earned Knicks' fan pessimism. If we drafted Jordan, we'd trade him away after three years for not being good enough to get us past the first round.


Sounds about right, especially considering we're currently preoccupied with running Mitch out of town.
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Re: Immanuel Quickley to the Knicks @ 25 

Post#264 » by Capn'O » Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:41 pm

Maybe in the lifetime of my children the Knicks will bring a prospect all the way through to their second contract.
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Re: Immanuel Quickley to the Knicks @ 25 

Post#265 » by Houston99 » Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:52 pm

I see a Chris duhon in him
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Re: Immanuel Quickley to the Knicks @ 25 

Post#266 » by cgmw » Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:53 pm

2010 wrote:
ellobo wrote:
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When evaluating a young player, examining their skill set, and pegging a comp, the learning curve of the players are irrelevant. Billups himself is on record as simply stating he wasn't ready. That doesn't necessarily mean IQ will follow the exact same trials and tribulations or accolades.


Agreed about player evaluation. I was just expressing well-earned Knicks' fan pessimism. If we drafted Jordan, we'd trade him away after three years for not being good enough to get us past the first round.


Sounds about right, especially considering we're currently preoccupied with running Mitch out of town.

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Re: Immanuel Quickley to the Knicks @ 25 

Post#267 » by K_ick_God » Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:29 pm

To be glass is half full, I'm more excited to have a net splashing rook than I am disappointed to have Payton back. Coaches are all suckers for playing shooting too.
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Re: Immanuel Quickley to the Knicks @ 25 

Post#268 » by RHODEY » Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:32 pm

This kid aint no reach.

He almost couldn't miss t at the Combine. 75% or better in the stationary and off motion 3 ball drills. 94% on the 100 FT drill.

I can envision him killing it off the curl, DHO and spotting up. He'll l get even better as he improves his handle. As it stand his intangibles are great; highly motivated good character kid . Word is that Coach Cal had to kick him out of the gym repeatedly.

Also, he has a good floater, so expect him to get into the paint when the spacing is favorable.


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Re: Immanuel Quickley to the Knicks @ 25 

Post#269 » by blueNorange » Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:40 pm

Houston99 wrote:I see a Chris duhon in him

i don't think duhon ever came off a screen to shoot a three.

the way he runs around/moves without the ball is rip hamilton esq.
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Re: Immanuel Quickley to the Knicks @ 25 

Post#270 » by N Y K » Wed Nov 25, 2020 3:30 am

too lazy to go back and see if this was posted:



More personality/family stuff. Nice kid.
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Re: Immanuel Quickley to the Knicks @ 25 

Post#271 » by Nazrmohamed » Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:19 am

Houston99 wrote:I see a Chris duhon in him


Jesus Christ. That's not a funny joke. In fact its a horror movie.
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Re: Immanuel Quickley to the Knicks @ 25 

Post#272 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:44 pm

Nazrmohamed wrote:
Houston99 wrote:I see a Chris duhon in him


Jesus Christ. That's not a funny joke. In fact its a horror movie.


Yeah, I don't even get it. He's not a white sorority girl.
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Re: Immanuel Quickley to the Knicks @ 25 

Post#273 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:45 pm

Knicks valuing CAA/Kentucky connections over real analysis, just terrible. Wasted picks to move up for the familiar guy, passed on all kinds of studs. Leon Rose/Coach Cal and WWW are killing what is left of the Knicks!
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Re: Immanuel Quickley to the Knicks @ 25 

Post#274 » by Nazrmohamed » Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:13 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:Knicks valuing CAA/Kentucky connections over real analysis, just terrible. Wasted picks to move up for the familiar guy, passed on all kinds of studs. Leon Rose/Coach Cal and WWW are killing what is left of the Knicks!


I was down on it too but lets just keep in mind. They said it was a weak draft. I do think there was good value in the late 1st round and there were plenty of guys I preferred but its not like at that point you were looking at high potential characters, more like plug and play role players. I still believe a guy like Bane or Bey....actually I got a list of like 5 guys that could've helped but its the point of the draft where we really don't know. So if the Knicks felt there was more potential in Quickley then I'm not gonna spend all yr second guessing. And while yes, you think of the Kentucky connection and question whether real research was done remember, teams couldn't really scout players so familiarity becomes sort of an advantage. In other words you're right but at the same time is it so wrong? Is it so wring in the absence of real data to go with familiarity? Not to mention outside of maybe Knox Kentucky players generally work out.
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Re: Immanuel Quickley to the Knicks @ 25 

Post#275 » by Oscirus » Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:46 am

Knicks needed shooting they got the best shooter in the draft, but because it wasnt the exact player evo wanted people hate it.
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Re: Immanuel Quickley to the Knicks @ 25 

Post#276 » by thebuzzardman » Thu Nov 26, 2020 5:02 am

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thebuzzardman wrote:Knicks valuing CAA/Kentucky connections over real analysis, just terrible. Wasted picks to move up for the familiar guy, passed on all kinds of studs. Leon Rose/Coach Cal and WWW are killing what is left of the Knicks!


I was down on it too but lets just keep in mind. They said it was a weak draft. I do think there was good value in the late 1st round and there were plenty of guys I preferred but its not like at that point you were looking at high potential characters, more like plug and play role players. I still believe a guy like Bane or Bey....actually I got a list of like 5 guys that could've helped but its the point of the draft where we really don't know. So if the Knicks felt there was more potential in Quickley then I'm not gonna spend all yr second guessing. And while yes, you think of the Kentucky connection and question whether real research was done remember, teams couldn't really scout players so familiarity becomes sort of an advantage. In other words you're right but at the same time is it so wrong? Is it so wring in the absence of real data to go with familiarity? Not to mention outside of maybe Knox Kentucky players generally work out.

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Re: Immanuel Quickley to the Knicks @ 25 

Post#277 » by newyorker4ever » Thu Nov 26, 2020 4:52 pm

Gravy wrote:If his shooting translates he could be useful right away. But he needs to show more point guard instincts than what Trier showed last year.


J.Randle can show more PG instincts then what Trier could ever show. You would think i was being facetious with that but........................
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Re: Immanuel Quickley to the Knicks @ 25 

Post#278 » by Gravy » Thu Nov 26, 2020 5:38 pm

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Gravy wrote:If his shooting translates he could be useful right away. But he needs to show more point guard instincts than what Trier showed last year.


J.Randle can show more PG instincts then what Trier could ever show. You would think i was being facetious with that but........................

Trier didn't have much beyond those shake n bake 1 on 1 moves.
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Post#279 » by mrpoetryNmotion » Thu Nov 26, 2020 7:19 pm



Can't comment on if Quickley will have the floor leadership of Billups, but I just wanted say the early 2010s teams would have looked a whole lot different if Billups never got hurt and amnestied. Granted that was one of his better games, but one of the better stretches of point guard play this team has had over the last decade.
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Re: Immanuel Quickley to the Knicks @ 25 

Post#280 » by br7knicks » Thu Nov 26, 2020 7:37 pm

newyorker4ever wrote:
Gravy wrote:If his shooting translates he could be useful right away. But he needs to show more point guard instincts than what Trier showed last year.


J.Randle can show more PG instincts then what Trier could ever show. You would think i was being facetious with that but........................


Trier had zero PG instincts. Good riddance
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