Knicks - Cavs PG

[ibraheim718]

For those saying you can’t throw out the kids vs other teams vets, the answer is why not? I’d rather they win 12 games with this final unit and having learning pains even if it means losing by 30 with players that will be here beyond this season than win 20 games with a whole bunch of losers that have no future here

Because I'm pretty sure in the NBA it's impossible to bench veterans. That has to be the only answer.. the minutes veterans get is reflective of how much money they're getting paid and what kind of media attention they draw locally and nationally. Seriously.. it has nothing to do with basketball.

Because it's not just about getting the kids minutes, it's as much about getting the kids minutes in which they can be part of a successful whole. That's when young talent can develop best. And finding success NBA starters is a different caliber of challenge than finding success against NBA benches. One that I wouldn't rush them to face before letting them build up their self-belief & chemistry against regular-season NBA bench-players.

I don't subscribe to bringing players along slowly. I am more of a throw them in the deep end and see of they can swim type of person so let's just agree to disagree. Take Denver for instance.. they are being forced to start Porter Jr because Grant went and chased more money when I thought Porter Jr didn't play enough in the 2020 playoffs. I'll wager you MPJ has a better year than Grant does.

What your describing is essentially that a lot of NBA careers would've went differently had they not been played so much early in their careers. That's ridiculous. Scrubs will scrub and good players will be good players from day 1 generally speaking. Yes you have instances where players were extremely raw and then over the years grew themselves into good NBA players... but not as many as the other way around. And this holds true to all team sports across the board.

[Clyde_Style]

it's not even that quickley is that great, it's that he's an actual threat from deep so he balances the lineup.

It was actually his facilitation that changed the game way more than him stretching the defense as a three point threat

[Jimmit79]

Knox is back


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Knox & Quickley LOTR Squad

Thibs will be saruman the best defense is an army of 10000.

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[HerSports85]

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[jvsimonetti0514]

Quickley, Knox and Toppin just being threats from the arc just open up the floor so much more than dealing with Randle and Payton.

[cgmw]

Knox is such a little mama's boy p*ssy with ADD from too many video games, but when he takes his Adderall (and Marcus Morris doesn't make him his b*tch) he's a fantastic offensive player. Shades of young Barkley when he goes coast-to-coast, incredible flush on the alley-oop, low key excellent vision, and just a beautiful rainbow stroke from deep. Skeptical he has the mental game to make it in the League, but the flashes of potential are impressive.

[Clyde_Style]

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the reason that play works is because the whole team runs to cover mitch in the paint

A truly elite rim threat shouldn’t be taken for granted

It was one of the things I was saying after Obi was drafted in response to the idea he couldn't be on the court at the same time as Mitch.

I disagreed. I said two dunk/lob/rim threats will force defenses to pick their posion and often leave open a path for the other one. That is EXACTLY what that play demonstates.

[Guano]

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[HerSports85]

IQ going to be a great backup behind Cade.

[thebuzzardman]

Quickley
Burks (for the combination of shooting and facilitating)
RJ
Obi
Mitch

Rivers/Knox/Frank/Randle (only because Knicks are forced to) DSJr (if his decision making picks up - could even switch w/ France Thomas)

Spot playing: Bullocks\Noel\Spellman

And if it were up to me, I would not play Randle. At all.

[whocares1]

it's not even that quickley is that great, it's that he's an actual threat from deep so he balances the lineup.

It was actually his facilitation that changed the game way more than him stretching the defense as a three point threat

Agreed but him being a threat from three also creates passing lanes for those passes.

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[Houston99]

IQ looked amazing tonight he singly brought the Knicks back in the fourth quarter. I like his vision and he is a really good floor general. He looked confident in the floor.

[mpharris36]

it's not even that quickley is that great, it's that he's an actual threat from deep so he balances the lineup.

It was actually his facilitation that changed the game way more than him stretching the defense as a three point threat

Yes but everything is predicated from the fact teams have to guard him out on the perimeter. They can't play zone with quickley on the floor so it opens up P&R opportunities that people sagging off you wouldn't allow.

Just the threat opens things up

[Clyde_Style]

it's not even that quickley is that great, it's that he's an actual threat from deep so he balances the lineup.

It was actually his facilitation that changed the game way more than him stretching the defense as a three point threat

Yes but everything is predicated from the fact teams have to guard him out on the perimeter. They can't play zone with quickley on the floor so it opens up P&R opportunities that people sagging off you wouldn't allow.

Just the threat opens things up

Yeah guys, I get it. Still, being able to shoot is one thing. IQ actually has a clue what to do with the ball other than shoot it. That was the key element of his impact on the game

[sol537]

Randle right now...

[El Poochio]

Tbf RJ Obi and Mitch is still 3 non shooters on the floor although they can improve ofc

[ibraheim718]

Knox is such a little mama's boy p*ssy with ADD from too many video games, but when he takes his Adderall (and Marcus Morris doesn't make him his b*tch) he's a fantastic offensive player. Shades of young Barkley when he goes coast-to-coast, incredible flush on the alley-oop, low key excellent vision, and just a beautiful rainbow stroke from deep. Skeptical he has the mental game to make it in the League, but the flashes of potential are impressive.

That ish is mind boggling.. you got every random scrub in the league chucking and trying to show out every second they're on the court and this fool is thinking he's in game 7 of the NBA finals. Frank is the same way. Guys it's okay to have some damn fun out there and fly around and get shots up and stay loose. I really hope the team employs a mental skills coach because at least 4 of these guys can use one for various reasons.

[NYKat]

But you also have to get rid of Randle because he takes away from a good point guard. Randle actively brings the value down on some players.. a point guard would be one of them.

Disagree

a good PG makes Randle better, Randle is only bad when he has the ball in his hands, if he’s getting set up properly, you maximize his value

Show me an example of that? Julius Randle has been the same effing airhead he's always been. His problem is he can have a good game statistically but if the team he's on should find themselves in a close game Randle will eventually either dribble the ball off his foot, throw the ball away, or barrel into a crowd and get called for a charge. He could be playing with Magic Johnson it doesn't matter. He's played with good point guards before.. it doesn't matter. His brand of basketball leads to losses, period.

Lakers fans **** love the guy, they were heartbroken when the team let him go

But It’s just common sense to me... if he doesn’t have to make decisions and doesn’t have the power to wave off the point guards you get the best of him without all the turnovers, bad decisions and selfishness