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[3toheadmelo]

melo woke up like

You always talk about trading DSJ but if I say let’s trade Frank, I’m trolling?

[Jeff Van Gully]

That’s that loser Dolan mindset. Trade away our best young player.

The loser Dolan mindset is thinking he’s our best player.

Or that being the ‘best player’ on the Knicks has any meaning at all.

Let’s keep trading away our best young players and draft more Frank and Knoxs. Are you the guy who’s advising Dolan?

yo. you really on one. easy.

[aq_ua]

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All this hard work, it’s going to pay off eventually right?


...right?

[god shammgod]

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All this hard work, it’s going to pay off eventually right?


...right?

people like to think if kids just work hard they'll make it, but there's hundreds of college kids every year who worked harder than kids who made the nba but didn't make it themselves because of physical limitations.

[mpharris36]

i can't even read this thread. this is why you don't get too high after wins or low after losses. this right here.

who looks at this roster and sees some kind of underachiever? to be sniffing around .500 is an accomplishment to me. that's not some half full glass talk. there's a LOT of work to be done with what we have. AND we need more talent. but i'm still content to watch them work.

now if we're talking about roster construction and PT... fair. but that we are 5-6 being the problem... i got nothing for that.

More so than anything RJ is more concerning then any record. I think I want to come away early in this year believing RJ had the potential to be a really good player. Now its still really early and I am not remotely ready to give up on him because he hasn't played 82 games yet in his NBA career but when you look at translatable skills to becoming a really good player for RJ...it sometimes can be difficult to find.

Outside of two games against the pacers he has been one of the worst players in the NBA in the other 9 games.

The rest of the guys really don't matter to me (outside of maybe Mitch) but none of those guys our foundational franchise pieces that RJ is suppose to be. I know I know everyone is going to say what about Julius Randle. Well if I'm being honest I still don't buy it. For the month of January he is now shooting 21% from 3 and 46% from the field. Those are very similar to his last year numbers. Now don't get me wrong I do believe he has improved but to what point, enough to say he is a LONG term piece for a team that will be winning a lot of games? I have serious doubts about that.

RJ's shooting is alarming to me. but i too am not ready to give up on him. i honestly see star player in a lot of other areas. i get chills with some of his drives. combinations of his creativity and power are starting to come together. i really would be urging him against the three ball for now and seeing if he can start to see some 18 footers go down. i know long twos are an analytics nightmare, but we probably should try to find the spacing he can actually provide. it's not helpful for him to miss all of his threes and encourage the zone defenses we're seeing.

Teams playing a ton of zone defense is doing him no help...and the starting lineup we put out there with him is doing him no favors. But he is really not a great athlete either. He kinda gets into the paint with brute force...there has to be an added craftiness to his game because he isn't someone that regularly breaks down the defense.

[Deeeez Knicks]

i can't even read this thread. this is why you don't get too high after wins or low after losses. this right here.

who looks at this roster and sees some kind of underachiever? to be sniffing around .500 is an accomplishment to me. that's not some half full glass talk. there's a LOT of work to be done with what we have. AND we need more talent. but i'm still content to watch them work.

now if we're talking about roster construction and PT... fair. but that we are 5-6 being the problem... i got nothing for that.

More so than anything RJ is more concerning then any record. I think I want to come away early in this year believing RJ had the potential to be a really good player. Now its still really early and I am not remotely ready to give up on him because he hasn't played 82 games yet in his NBA career but when you look at translatable skills to becoming a really good player for RJ...it sometimes can be difficult to find.

Outside of two games against the pacers he has been one of the worst players in the NBA in the other 9 games.

The rest of the guys really don't matter to me (outside of maybe Mitch) but none of those guys our foundational franchise pieces that RJ is suppose to be. I know I know everyone is going to say what about Julius Randle. Well if I'm being honest I still don't buy it. For the month of January he is now shooting 21% from 3 and 46% from the field. Those are very similar to his last year numbers. Now don't get me wrong I do believe he has improved but to what point, enough to say he is a LONG term piece for a team that will be winning a lot of games? I have serious doubts about that.

RJ's shooting is alarming to me. but i too am not ready to give up on him. i honestly see star player in a lot of other areas. i get chills with some of his drives. combinations of his creativity and power are starting to come together. i really would be urging him against the three ball for now and seeing if he can start to see some 18 footers go down. i know long twos are an analytics nightmare, but we probably should try to find the spacing he can actually provide. it's not helpful for him to miss all of his threes and encourage the zone defenses we're seeing.

Yea, there are some positives such as his assists are up, turnovers are down, rebounding is up. He shows shades of being really good.

Obviously the shooting is a big concern, but shooting is a concern for a lot of young players. Have to hope he can figure it out, which is still very possible. He puts in the work. It is def gonna be a work in progress.

[mpharris36]

melo woke up like

You always talk about trading DSJ but if I say let’s trade Frank, I’m trolling?

ahhh yes because randomly I just post trade DSJ is post games threads...

[Jeff Van Gully]

More so than anything RJ is more concerning then any record. I think I want to come away early in this year believing RJ had the potential to be a really good player. Now its still really early and I am not remotely ready to give up on him because he hasn't played 82 games yet in his NBA career but when you look at translatable skills to becoming a really good player for RJ...it sometimes can be difficult to find.

Outside of two games against the pacers he has been one of the worst players in the NBA in the other 9 games.

The rest of the guys really don't matter to me (outside of maybe Mitch) but none of those guys our foundational franchise pieces that RJ is suppose to be. I know I know everyone is going to say what about Julius Randle. Well if I'm being honest I still don't buy it. For the month of January he is now shooting 21% from 3 and 46% from the field. Those are very similar to his last year numbers. Now don't get me wrong I do believe he has improved but to what point, enough to say he is a LONG term piece for a team that will be winning a lot of games? I have serious doubts about that.

RJ's shooting is alarming to me. but i too am not ready to give up on him. i honestly see star player in a lot of other areas. i get chills with some of his drives. combinations of his creativity and power are starting to come together. i really would be urging him against the three ball for now and seeing if he can start to see some 18 footers go down. i know long twos are an analytics nightmare, but we probably should try to find the spacing he can actually provide. it's not helpful for him to miss all of his threes and encourage the zone defenses we're seeing.

Teams playing a ton of zone defense is doing him no help...and the starting lineup we put out there with him is doing him no favors. But he is really not a great athlete either. He kinda gets into the paint with brute force...there has to be an added craftiness to his game because he isn't someone that regularly breaks down the defense.

i see the craftiness though. i think spacing is the limitation. one drive he had where he split the defense first (creativity) then bullied to the cup (brute force) with an agile finish. i think he can do that. i also think he can pass when he's able to slash some.

problem is his shooting doesn't create that many opportunities. neither does the shooting around him.

we looked like a war machine when our three ball was falling during our hot streak. i think this same team with a commitment to shooting threes will look and far much better. and i think you CAN do that while committing to RJ, randle, and mitch. or, at least RJ and mitch if you find yourself wanting to sell high on randle.

[Jeff Van Gully]

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All this hard work, it’s going to pay off eventually right?


...right?

for quickley, sure. we already know he can shoot that thing. not worried about him at all.

[3toheadmelo]

melo woke up like

You always talk about trading DSJ but if I say let’s trade Frank, I’m trolling?

ahhh yes because randomly I just post trade DSJ is post games threads...

You’ve brought him up randomly bunch of times but fine. I’ll take this to the trade threads.

[mpharris36]

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All this hard work, it’s going to pay off eventually right?


...right?

people like to think if kids just work hard they'll make it, but there's hundreds of college kids every year who worked harder than kids who made the nba but didn't make it themselves because of physical limitations.

its great he putting in the extra work...but I dont know if its the thing to post after going 1-10 from the field. Like go about your business...you don't need to broadcast you are working.

[cgmw]

Is the short bench for real? Or are these healthy scratches just PR cover so Thibs can run his favorite 8 into the ground?

[Jeff Van Gully]

Is the short bench for real? Or are these healthy scratches just PR cover so Thibs can run his favorite 8 into the ground?

i think it's both right now. thibs is always going to run a tight rotation. the defined roles is part of his philosophy on rhythm and cohesion driving consistent execution.

...and we have a lot of injured guys.

[Jeff Van Gully]

addendum: i think thibs' idea too is that there will always be injuries and thus opportunities for guys out of the rotation to then play rotation minutes, instead of 2-5 minutes here and there and not getting much out of it.

something like that.

[3toheadmelo]

Thibs was playing the starters until there like a minute left in the game. That’s kinda worrisome.

[mpharris36]

Thibs was playing the starters until there like a minute left in the game. That’s kinda worrisome.

on a b2b nonetheless

[Galou]

Knicks play the Nets next right? I hate the nets so much that I had to block a veteran poster on the Knicks board

[3toheadmelo]

Thibs was playing the starters until there like a minute left in the game. That’s kinda worrisome.

on a b2b nonetheless

I hope the assistant coaches are telling him to chill..

[mpharris36]

Thibs was playing the starters until there like a minute left in the game. That’s kinda worrisome.

on a b2b nonetheless

I hope the assistant coaches are telling him to chill..

this is what you are going to get. A really good coach with flaws about managing minutes. He gave the same answer he always has last night managing minutes too so he is not going to change at this point...he clearly doesn't see an issue with it.

[DOT]

Is the short bench for real? Or are these healthy scratches just PR cover so Thibs can run his favorite 8 into the ground?

i think it's both right now. thibs is always going to run a tight rotation. the defined roles is part of his philosophy on rhythm and cohesion driving consistent execution.

...and we have a lot of injured guys.

I think Thibs and the FO are just bad at adjusting on the fly

We obviously came into this season having a set group of starters and 5 or 6 bench guys Thibs trusts (Rivers, Burks, Noel, Knox, Quick, and Obi), with the younger ones being trusted to a much lesser extent. But then Burks and Obi get injured so we only have 4 guys off the bench, then Noel gets injured taking us down to 8, and because he doesn't really trust Quick, he has him on kind of a short leash so really it's 7, then when Noel gets back, Bullock goes out so we're back down to 8 guys

He just really doesn't even want to experiment or give the deep bench guys a chance to see if they might have anything. Which, let's be honest, none of them are gonna be here long term anyways, but even so, it's much better for the health of the team in the long run to give them emergency minutes due to injuries rather than whatever Thibs is doing

But this is who he is. I'm not surprised in the slightest. Playing the starters at the end of blowouts when the other team is resting their 2nd unit. We got Chicago Thibs, for better and for worse.