Offseason Trades and Transaction Ideas Thread

[sol537]

Kawhi + Dame, sure.

Otherwise, Lowry + Beal/Lavine could be pretty great as well.

Lowry, Beal, RJ, Randle, Mitch. That could be PHX EAST next year.

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

Getting Dame likely means signing another star player. I love RJ but that is worth the trade off.

I have no issues with trading RJ for Dame. I just hope we make the move with another max cat wanting to join. Beal is the one I have the issue with trading RJ for. I just don't think he'll be worth the package we'd have to give up and is kinda an empty stats guy.

Beal is a real baller. Be careful using the empty stats argument for real talent (see Booker). Ricky Davis was an empty stats guy. JR Rider too. Antoine Walker probably and Monta Ellis possibly. Beal is very skilled and sound.

Yep. Beal may not be a #1 on a championship squad, but he's a very good and reliable player who doesn't disappear in the playoffs, with 3 trips to the 2nd round. Teams need guys like that. In most years he's actually upped his production in the playoffs vs the regular season.

Sure, he's never been the the ECF, but none of the teams he's played on ever had Finals-level talent. Guys like Otto Porter, Gortat, and Keif are not #3 level players on a real contender.

[jvsimonetti0514]

Beal is a real baller. Be careful using the empty stats argument for real talent (see Booker). Ricky Davis was an empty stats guy. JR Rider too. Antoine Walker probably and Monta Ellis possibly. Beal is very skilled and sound.

Maybe empty stats is a little harsh but he's played with way more talent than Booker has ever played with until this year. John Wall was real good before his injury and Westbrook is going to be a hall of famer and he's basically only been able to lead his teams to the 2nd round. Giving up the farm for someone like him just seems like a guarantee us treadmill status with no way to improve the team. Now if he came in free agency, I'd welcome him with open arms but all our good youth and picks should be used on someone else.

I was about to say tough to call Beal an empty stats type guy when you are so high on Jalen Green to the point you said on the mock the other night you would pick Green over Cade. Green in a good way is very projectable to Beal.

I think that's totally fair to comp Green to Beal but I do think Green is a little more freakish in his athleticism that would give him more defensive upside. You'd hope that after Green puts on some weight that he could use those tools to be a better defender than Beal cuz their measurements are pretty similar. Which is probably the biggest hole in Beal's game. If he was just a passable defender the Wizards would have been much better.

[jvsimonetti0514]

Beal is a real baller. Be careful using the empty stats argument for real talent (see Booker). Ricky Davis was an empty stats guy. JR Rider too. Antoine Walker probably and Monta Ellis possibly. Beal is very skilled and sound.

Maybe empty stats is a little harsh but he's played with way more talent than Booker has ever played with until this year. John Wall was real good before his injury and Westbrook is going to be a hall of famer and he's basically only been able to lead his teams to the 2nd round. Giving up the farm for someone like him just seems like a guarantee us treadmill status with no way to improve the team. Now if he came in free agency, I'd welcome him with open arms but all our good youth and picks should be used on someone else.

What I mean is that if you put him next to Giannis or Steph or Embiid, all of a sudden he looks like a legitimate nightmare.

Oh yeah like if I was the 76ers or the Bucks(before they made the Jrue move) I would have been all over Beal but the price would probably be too high to make it worth our while. I mean people talk about Dame and Randle being a treadmill, Beal and Randle is a much worse version of that.

[Knicksfan1992]

Maybe empty stats is a little harsh but he's played with way more talent than Booker has ever played with until this year. John Wall was real good before his injury and Westbrook is going to be a hall of famer and he's basically only been able to lead his teams to the 2nd round. Giving up the farm for someone like him just seems like a guarantee us treadmill status with no way to improve the team. Now if he came in free agency, I'd welcome him with open arms but all our good youth and picks should be used on someone else.

I was about to say tough to call Beal an empty stats type guy when you are so high on Jalen Green to the point you said on the mock the other night you would pick Green over Cade. Green in a good way is very projectable to Beal.

I think that's totally fair to comp Green to Beal but I do think Green is a little more freakish in his athleticism that would give him more defensive upside. You'd hope that after Green puts on some weight that he could use those tools to be a better defender than Beal cuz their measurements are pretty similar. Which is probably the biggest hole in Beal's game. If he was just a passable defender the Wizards would have been much better.

Blaming all of Washington's defensive problem on Beal is really unfair. They were a good defensive team, with him playing a lot of minutes, when they had a decent anchor in the middle in Gortat and Wall + Porter as well. The FO never replenished them with good defenders and Beal isn't great on that end so that's why they struggled. Also they gave major minutes to Alex Len who is awful on D, same with Thomas Bryant + Moe Wagner at the beginning of the season. If you look at his minutes with Rolo + Gafford they are much more passable on D than they had been in the past which was a major part of the reason they went on that run to make the playoffs at the end of the season. Also Scott Brooks is dookie as a head coach lol

Beal can function in a good defensive team and he elevates your offense to a really high level.

Washingtons Offensive rating w/ Beal on the floor: 115.4 70th percentile according to Cleaning the Glass
Beal off the floor: 104.8 32nd percentile

[mpharris36]

Maybe empty stats is a little harsh but he's played with way more talent than Booker has ever played with until this year. John Wall was real good before his injury and Westbrook is going to be a hall of famer and he's basically only been able to lead his teams to the 2nd round. Giving up the farm for someone like him just seems like a guarantee us treadmill status with no way to improve the team. Now if he came in free agency, I'd welcome him with open arms but all our good youth and picks should be used on someone else.

I was about to say tough to call Beal an empty stats type guy when you are so high on Jalen Green to the point you said on the mock the other night you would pick Green over Cade. Green in a good way is very projectable to Beal.

I think that's totally fair to comp Green to Beal but I do think Green is a little more freakish in his athleticism that would give him more defensive upside. You'd hope that after Green puts on some weight that he could use those tools to be a better defender than Beal cuz their measurements are pretty similar. Which is probably the biggest hole in Beal's game. If he was just a passable defender the Wizards would have been much better.

I think thats a fair assessment. Green for sure athletically wise resembles LaVine more. Beal has one of the sweetest shots in the game. He came right into the league hitting 40% of his shots from 3. Fore the first 5 years of his career he was basically a 40% guy. The only reason he is a 35% guy now is because of the volume and difficulty of the shots he is required to take because pretty much his team stinks. I do agree that Beal should be a better defender but some guys just have to shoulder so much of the load offensively they kinda put defense to the back burner. I do fear that with Green as well. On a bad team (which he is going to go to). He will probably right away be there #1 option. He is that talented offensively. I don't know how much his frame and body will allow him to be a difference maker on defense along with his propensity to kinda coast on defense already outside of the shooting the gap for a steal or a weakside block every now and then.

Bot no prospect is without his faults even the top 4 or 5 guys.

[KnixinSix]

Apparently according to the athletic (which is usually an educated analysis) we have a big advantage because Lillard is a SuperMax at 44 mill. Not many teams have the space and some that could clear the room aren't a good fit for him. If we offer RJ that is a legit piece that is well thought of around the league and has upside. So taking on his supermax combined with a legit piece in RJ it will may drop the FRPs needed to 3 with maybe a swap or two thrown in.

If that is the case we may STILL would have enough ammo to execute another trade for say a Beal , Lavine or SGA.

Lillard trade:
RJ, Knox, 2021 #19, 2022 swap option, 2023 FRP, 2024 swap option, 2025 FRP

SGA, Beal , or Levine trade:
Obi Toppin , 2021 #21, 2023 Dal FRP, 2023 2nd rd , 2026 FRP

Is that 2nd trade enough for Beal or SGA? Maybe , maybe not. The alternate route is Kawhi, Paul or Derozen straight up in FA.

[DowNY]

I’m not trading RJ for any player not named Dame. Even with Dame, I wouldn’t want to but we would probably have to. Here’s my only positive scenario I mapped out where we can trade for Dame and still have a pretty nice and sorta deep team.

- [Damian Lillard & Robert Covington for RJ Barrett, Mitchell Robinson, Obi Toppin, Kevin Knox, 2022 1st, 2023 1st swap, Mavs 2023, 2024 1st & a couple 2023 2nds.]

Didn’t want to come off bias by trying to keep one of Mitch or Obi. The caveat is that we keep our current picks this draft though. I chose to keep IQ for his rookie contract, his shooting and energy & his fit. Mitch has a contract situation coming up and I think we can find bigs who’d want to play here a year for the cheap (Dwight, Drummond, etc).

With the trade above, we maintain enough cap space to keep D Rose cap hold, which is important. We can go over the cap to re-sign D Rose and have him backup Dame.
So Boom, PG rotation is:

Damian Lillard - Derrick Rose - Luca Vildoza

Then we get to the SG position. As I said, we keep this draft’s picks. I still think we go after Bouknight. So I’m gonna go overboard a bit because I don’t have time to figure out draft trade details. I’ll say we trade the whole draft class worth of picks to move up for Bouknight (lazy, I know but this is a quick version for now - you can insert any SG in the draft you like here, trade or no trade).

So SG rotation for now is Bouknight & IQ. Guard rotation is now:

Damian Lillard - Derrick Rose - Luca Vildoza
James Bouknight - Immanuel Quickley

We get Covington in the deal as a throw in for the rebuilding Blazers at this point but one team’s trash is another team’s treasure as he’s a solid wing starter and provide good defense for Thibs system. I’m also in the mindset that Bullocks comes back for the 3rd year, so we can have his full bird rights next season and give him a decent bag.

Julius obviously the 4. And imma be honest, at this point, I think Carmelo’s return is imminent.

So boom, we look like this now:

Damian Lillard - Derrick Rose - Luca Vildoza
James Bouknight - Immanuel Quickley
Robert Covington - Reggie Bullock
Julius Randle - Carmelo Anthony

We have non-guaranteed deals in Luca and Norvelle. Maybe we could look to grab a big that way. For now, I’ll get my hopes up and say those 2 for Kelly Olnyk , solely because the last 3 letters of his name is NYK. You know Taj coming back 1 more time. Maybe look for a Dwight , Drummond, or another cheap option.
That’s a mean team right there. Full of dudes built for NY. Lowkey would love to get Melo one more run. Way he left wasn’t right and this situation would be good for him this time.

Damian Lillard - Derrick Rose
James Bouknight - Immanuel Quickley
Robert Covington - Reggie Bullocks
Julius Randle - Carmelo Anthony
Kelly Olnyk - Taj Gibson (vet signing or maybe a young undrafted kid stands out)

Thoughts on the lineup? I feel like it’s a great balance of youth, vets, offense and defense (due to Thibs).

[8516knicks]

I’m not trading RJ for any player not named Dame. Even with Dame, I wouldn’t want to but we would probably have to. Here’s my only positive scenario I mapped out where we can trade for Dame and still have a pretty nice and sorta deep team.

- [Damian Lillard & Robert Covington for RJ Barrett, Mitchell Robinson, Obi Toppin, Kevin Knox, 2022 1st, 2023 1st swap, Mavs 2023, 2024 1st & a couple 2023 2nds.]

Didn’t want to come off bias by trying to keep one of Mitch or Obi. The caveat is that we keep our current picks this draft though. I chose to keep IQ for his rookie contract, his shooting and energy & his fit. Mitch has a contract situation coming up and I think we can find bigs who’d want to play here a year for the cheap (Dwight, Drummond, etc).

With the trade above, we maintain enough cap space to keep D Rose cap hold, which is important. We can go over the cap to re-sign D Rose and have him backup Dame.
So Boom, PG rotation is:

Damian Lillard - Derrick Rose - Luca Vildoza

Then we get to the SG position. As I said, we keep this draft’s picks. I still think we go after Bouknight. So I’m gonna go overboard a bit because I don’t have time to figure out draft trade details. I’ll say we trade the whole draft class worth of picks to move up for Bouknight (lazy, I know but this is a quick version for now - you can insert any SG in the draft you like here, trade or no trade).

So SG rotation for now is Bouknight & IQ. Guard rotation is now:

Damian Lillard - Derrick Rose - Luca Vildoza
James Bouknight - Immanuel Quickley

We get Covington in the deal as a throw in for the rebuilding Blazers at this point but one team’s trash is another team’s treasure as he’s a solid wing starter and provide good defense for Thibs system. I’m also in the mindset that Bullocks comes back for the 3rd year, so we can have his full bird rights next season and give him a decent bag.

Julius obviously the 4. And imma be honest, at this point, I think Carmelo’s return is imminent.

So boom, we look like this now:

Damian Lillard - Derrick Rose - Luca Vildoza
James Bouknight - Immanuel Quickley
Robert Covington - Reggie Bullock
Julius Randle - Carmelo Anthony

We have non-guaranteed deals in Luca and Norvelle. Maybe we could look to grab a big that way. For now, I’ll get my hopes up and say those 2 for Kelly Olnyk , solely because the last 3 letters of his name is NYK. You know Taj coming back 1 more time. Maybe look for a Dwight , Drummond, or another cheap option.
That’s a mean team right there. Full of dudes built for NY. Lowkey would love to get Melo one more run. Way he left wasn’t right and this situation would be good for him this time.

Damian Lillard - Derrick Rose
James Bouknight - Immanuel Quickley
Robert Covington - Reggie Bullocks
Julius Randle - Carmelo Anthony
Kelly Olnyk - Taj Gibson (vet signing or maybe a young undrafted kid stands out)

Thoughts on the lineup? I feel like it’s a great balance of youth, vets, offense and defense (due to Thibs).

Still don't like giving up so much for 31yr old Lillard. And don't want bouknight, but someone like Bones Hyland, maybe. Covington solid. Olynk not bad but feel Taj's days are numbered but he's good for clubhouse etc. All in all though it comes down to a decent team, better than this year's but still out in the ECsemis.

[Knox]

Kawhi + Dame, sure.

Otherwise, Lowry + Beal/Lavine could be pretty great as well.

Lowry, Beal, RJ, Randle, Mitch. That could be PHX EAST next year.

I was hoping to keep it young and build a dynasty

Zion, Barret, Collin sexton and our youth

[RandlesCornrows]

Since we’re at a stand still a far as top free agents I’d look for hard nosed type playoff performing players, that’ll help our young guys if CP3 & Lowry are off the board…

Reggie Jackson: 2 years|36m (player-opt)
PJ Tucker 2 years/12m (player-opt)
Nerlens Noel: 2 years|14m
Frank Ntilikina 2 years|10m

Trade:
Knicks trade Obi Toppin, Kevin Knox, DET 21’ 2nd Mavs 23’ 1st to Portland for CJ McCollum

Draft:
19-Ziaire Williams
21-Tre Mann

Roll with

Reggie Jackson | Tre Mann | Luca Vildoza
CJ McCollum | Immanuel Quickley | Frank Ntilikina
R.J. Barrett | Ziaire Willaims
Julius Randle | PJ Tucker
Mitchell Robinson | Nerlens Noel

Fight with that team. Hope RJ takes that elite 3rd year jump, and it’ll help Julius make another elite step with McCollum being that shot creator. All while adding youth, winning players, without going overboard.

[makeitstop]

Get ready for the return of Beas...

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Them poor rookies gonna get cooked.

[TBri1974]

I’m not trading RJ for any player not named Dame. Even with Dame, I wouldn’t want to but we would probably have to. Here’s my only positive scenario I mapped out where we can trade for Dame and still have a pretty nice and sorta deep team.

- [Damian Lillard & Robert Covington for RJ Barrett, Mitchell Robinson, Obi Toppin, Kevin Knox, 2022 1st, 2023 1st swap, Mavs 2023, 2024 1st & a couple 2023 2nds.]

Didn’t want to come off bias by trying to keep one of Mitch or Obi. The caveat is that we keep our current picks this draft though. I chose to keep IQ for his rookie contract, his shooting and energy & his fit. Mitch has a contract situation coming up and I think we can find bigs who’d want to play here a year for the cheap (Dwight, Drummond, etc).

With the trade above, we maintain enough cap space to keep D Rose cap hold, which is important. We can go over the cap to re-sign D Rose and have him backup Dame.
So Boom, PG rotation is:

Damian Lillard - Derrick Rose - Luca Vildoza

Then we get to the SG position. As I said, we keep this draft’s picks. I still think we go after Bouknight. So I’m gonna go overboard a bit because I don’t have time to figure out draft trade details. I’ll say we trade the whole draft class worth of picks to move up for Bouknight (lazy, I know but this is a quick version for now - you can insert any SG in the draft you like here, trade or no trade).

So SG rotation for now is Bouknight & IQ. Guard rotation is now:

Damian Lillard - Derrick Rose - Luca Vildoza
James Bouknight - Immanuel Quickley

We get Covington in the deal as a throw in for the rebuilding Blazers at this point but one team’s trash is another team’s treasure as he’s a solid wing starter and provide good defense for Thibs system. I’m also in the mindset that Bullocks comes back for the 3rd year, so we can have his full bird rights next season and give him a decent bag.

Julius obviously the 4. And imma be honest, at this point, I think Carmelo’s return is imminent.

So boom, we look like this now:

Damian Lillard - Derrick Rose - Luca Vildoza
James Bouknight - Immanuel Quickley
Robert Covington - Reggie Bullock
Julius Randle - Carmelo Anthony

We have non-guaranteed deals in Luca and Norvelle. Maybe we could look to grab a big that way. For now, I’ll get my hopes up and say those 2 for Kelly Olnyk , solely because the last 3 letters of his name is NYK. You know Taj coming back 1 more time. Maybe look for a Dwight , Drummond, or another cheap option.
That’s a mean team right there. Full of dudes built for NY. Lowkey would love to get Melo one more run. Way he left wasn’t right and this situation would be good for him this time.

Damian Lillard - Derrick Rose
James Bouknight - Immanuel Quickley
Robert Covington - Reggie Bullocks
Julius Randle - Carmelo Anthony
Kelly Olnyk - Taj Gibson (vet signing or maybe a young undrafted kid stands out)

Thoughts on the lineup? I feel like it’s a great balance of youth, vets, offense and defense (due to Thibs).

This is not the lineup I want to see and would not be a favorite for the top 4 in the East.

Bouknight is an unproven rookie. I would like him too, but for us to have collected a ton of first round picks and cap space, and have a team loaded with decent young talent and trade all that for Lillard and Bouknight without any draft picks in the years to come? I will pass. I would much rather have:

X/Rose/QuicklyLuka
RJ/Quickly/X
X/X/Bullock
Randle/Toppin
Mitch/X/Paele/Gibson

Where the Xs are free agents and draft picks. I am not against trading for Dame, but we need to bring him into a team capable of winning, not trade everything for him.

[Dave DaButcher]

Get ready for the return of Beas...

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Them poor rookies gonna get cooked.

And baked.

[Jay10]

Get ready for the return of Beas...

Read on Twitter

Them poor rookies gonna get cooked.

SupercoolBeas might not even break a sweat.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

Apparently according to the athletic (which is usually an educated analysis) we have a big advantage because Lillard is a SuperMax at 44 mill. Not many teams have the space and some that could clear the room aren't a good fit for him. If we offer RJ that is a legit piece that is well thought of around the league and has upside. So taking on his supermax combined with a legit piece in RJ it will may drop the FRPs needed to 3 with maybe a swap or two thrown in.

If that is the case we may STILL would have enough ammo to execute another trade for say a Beal , Lavine or SGA.

Lillard trade:
RJ, Knox, 2021 #19, 2022 swap option, 2023 FRP, 2024 swap option, 2025 FRP

SGA, Beal , or Levine trade:
Obi Toppin , 2021 #21, 2023 Dal FRP, 2023 2nd rd , 2026 FRP

Is that 2nd trade enough for Beal or SGA? Maybe , maybe not. The alternate route is Kawhi, Paul or Derozen straight up in FA.

Trading away almost all the future #1 picks for the next 5 years is a gamble I wouldn't take.

[makeitstop]

This is not the lineup I want to see and would not be a favorite for the top 4 in the East.

Bouknight is an unproven rookie. I would like him too, but for us to have collected a ton of first round picks and cap space, and have a team loaded with decent young talent and trade all that for Lillard and Bouknight without any draft picks in the years to come? I will pass. I would much rather have:

X/Rose/QuicklyLuka
RJ/Quickly/X
X/X/Bullock
Randle/Toppin
Mitch/X/Paele/Gibson

Where the Xs are free agents and draft picks. I am not against trading for Dame, but we need to bring him into a team capable of winning, not trade everything for him.

Yeah, all these Dame scenarios smell too much like Melo Trade II to me.

We really went 'win now' in a quick hurry.

[HarthorneWingo]

So where're we at with the off season?

[louisorr]

Man all these hypotheticals get we wondering what if we had only drafted Haliburton. we could overpay Collins for example who actually has for ability to defend the 5 a little (unlike obi) making us stronger while Atl gets weaker. I mean that's just one hypothetical off the top of my head...oh well...damn we screwed that up.

[thebuzzardman]

So where're we at with the off season?

Knicks about to trade all their youth and picks for a "star" where the Knicks get ass raped prison style by the other team.